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[Arokel]

Cultist wrote...

Will look for Metacritic reviews first.

Metacritic?

Thats nothing more than the opinion of trolls.

[CrazyRah]

Justin2k wrote...

Who is not going to buy this unless it gets excellent user reviews?

I've read so much that Bioware have had their last chance with their last two games and the way they treat the fanbase, and yet everyone on this board is acting like none of that happened.

Oh don't worry i will put the money where my mouth is. I won't pre-order and i will watch the entire process of developing DA3 and judge it by what i see and not what their ridiculous hype say. Not falling for that mistake again. I've most certainly not forgotten ME3 and everything surrounding it. Cautious and pessimistic is how i will be

[Icinix]

Arokel wrote...

Cultist wrote...

Will look for Metacritic reviews first.

Metacritic?

Thats nothing more than the opinion of trolls.

..that after about a month ends up with an average in user reviews that is reasonably accurate.

[EricHVela]

I decided that there is a way to get me to pre-order just one more thing.

An outtakes and gag reel. Yes. Even for a game.

Game development isn't always without its problems. (I remember the developer tale of a dragon in the first MMORPG ever during alpha that, for no reason, ran away, flew into the air and died while exploding.) That and BTS stuff with the staff, too. Practical jokes welcomed as well.

Just keep a running records of the weird @#*% and stitch it together for pre-order people. (I would probably pre-order any game that did this, excellent or lousy.)

[jaikss]

I don't generally put much weight on reviews,and I doubt da3 will be an exception.I like the franchise enough that I'll definetely be buying the game at some point,but whether that'll be as a preorder or a pick up after launch will depend mostly on gameplay footage and whether or not I feel the combat suffers from the same identity crisis as da2.

[Ravenfeeder]

It's extremely unlikely I'll be buying before it's discounted, but it's always possible I'll fall for the marketing. I've already put my money where my mouth is and supported Project Eternity.

[Silfren]

This question isn't really directed at me, since I actually LIKED DA2 and never swore never to preorder again, but yes, I will be preordering DA3.

[TsaiMeLemoni]

I'll probably pre-order, though my final decision will definitely be dependent on what info we get as the game comes along.

[Gotholhorakh]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Gotholhorakh wrote...

Beerfish wrote...
The 'critics' of DA2 have for the most part hated anything BioWare from day one and were just gleeful to actually finally have a case to bash one of their games.

Wow, I think that might be the exact opposite of what is actually the case.

Beerfish was talking about professional reviewers, I think.

If he meant people generally, then yes, he's completely wrong.

Ah, that might be it. That would make a lot more sense.

Korusus wrote...
Good on beerfish to catch that...gigs up I guess [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/bandit.png[/smilie]

Heh, better go dark til the next game, then pounce.

Icinix wrote...

Arokel wrote...

Cultist wrote...

Will look for Metacritic reviews first.

Metacritic?

Thats nothing more than the opinion of trolls.

..that after about a month ends up with an average in user reviews that is reasonably accurate.

Yeah, I don't find metacritic too bad aas an indicator- as long as you read between the lines in the user reviews and ignore a) the average the professional reviewers and c) the ratings on the most moronic posts.

[PaulSX]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Kickstarter has definitely found and exploited a new way to monetize consumer passion.

I've been saying for years that game prices are too low.  I think Kickstarter is proving me right.

the average pledge per backer for PE is about $43 right now, and for Wasteland 2, it's $48. So the kickstarter price is pretty much the same as the mainstream pc game retail price, if not a bit lower. 

[Little Queen]

deuce985 wrote...

No. I don't let other people form my opinions for me. I make my own. I'll watch development and if I like it, I'm going to buy it. If I don't like the direction, I'm not going to buy it. That simple really. I don't need reviews from any critic/user to make my purchase...

Agreed. And knowing myself i will preorder da3 as soon as i can. 

Modifié par Little Queen, 28 septembre 2012 - 12:46 .

[Carmen_Willow]

I will probably pre-order. While I had issues with DA 2 as most did, it grew on me over time and I ended up playing a lot. And the only problem I had with ME 3 was its ending. I thought the writing in ME3 with its impending sense of doom was excellent. So, unless the demos or trailers are totally awful, I will probably pre-order.

[MichaelStuart]

I will play the demo.
If I like the demo, I will buy the game.
If there is no demo, I won't buy the game.

[burning salaradile]

I probably won't pre-order, but I'll follow the game's development and unless it turns out to look absolutely terrible, I'll probably buy it. DA2 and ME3 felt rushed in several places (the former more than the latter, but still) but they had their moments and were still mostly fun the first time I played through each of them, endings notwithstanding.

Also, on the subject of endings, considering the way just about every reviewer gave ME3 a really high score and made no mention of the ending (or *shudder* praised it) my faith in game reviews, which wasn't terribly strong to begin with, is quite broken. I try to judge for myself anyway, but this time I'll probably ignore the reviews completely when making my decision.

[ElazaraDawn]

DA2's reiviews sucked and I still preordered, was there at midnight and everything.
I'd preorder tmrw if I could. I'm one of those don't knock it till you try it ppl. Plus it's one of only three games I like enough to even consider preordering so I can't rly complain.

[Jerrybnsn]

Arokel wrote...

Cultist wrote...

Will look for Metacritic reviews first.

Metacritic?

Thats nothing more than the opinion of trolls.

You can sift through the trolls or fanboys' reviews easily.  One thing that user reviews gives are a set pattern of what people find wrong with a game.  Is it surprising that the professional reviews never bother to talk about DA2's reuse of maps, no customization, spaming waves of enemies, or a disjointed story? 

[Fast Jimmy]

^
Agreed. If a review has less than two sentences to it on Metacritic, then chances are its pretty worthless. But there are a lot of reviews on there that are well-thought out and articulated. Also given the fact that many professional reviewers don't get more than 5 or 10 hours with a game, often don't play it to completion before writing their review and who have lower standards, given that they are forced to play some TRULY trash games which barely function at all, and it can be very misleading going by professional reviews alone.

Lesson here: don't go by Metacritic overall score, but read multiple, intelligent reviews to see if it is right for you. Balance your decisions with a combination of professional and user reviews to get the full picture. If you don't do this before buying a game, then don't complain when you feel cheated.

[Biotic Sage]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

^
Agreed. If a review has less than two sentences to it on Metacritic, then chances are its pretty worthless. But there are a lot of reviews on there that are well-thought out and articulated. Also given the fact that many professional reviewers don't get more than 5 or 10 hours with a game, often don't play it to completion before writing their review and who have lower standards, given that they are forced to play some TRULY trash games which barely function at all, and it can be very misleading going by professional reviews alone.

Lesson here: don't go by Metacritic overall score, but read multiple, intelligent reviews to see if it is right for you. Balance your decisions with a combination of professional and user reviews to get the full picture. If you don't do this before buying a game, then don't complain when you feel cheated.

Professional reviewers should be obligated to put a "time stamp" on their review.  The "time stamp" would indicate how many hours the reviewer actually played the game, and would give the review some much appreciated context.  This "time stamp" should be a must-have for game journalists who want to have their journalism taken seriously, and it should be validated by the developer/publisher.  Not sure if this is actually feasible, but these days with all the rushed out reviews and "reviews in progress" because rushed reviews STILL aren't fast enough, I think the whole field of video game journalism is getting more ridiculous than it's ever been...and that's saying a lot.

Modifié par Biotic Sage, 28 septembre 2012 - 03:28 .

[Jerrybnsn]

^The thought that no game reviewers commented on ME3's ending or even thought that it would be an issue should put "professional" reviews in the right light.

[AxeloftheKey]

I'm only gonna pre-order if the trailers sell me completely and have something amazing about them.

If I'm not sold on a pre-order, I will read lots of reviews and watch gameplay footage.

[0oSPIRITo0]

Preorder me no  Oh who am i kidding i'll preorder it as soon as i can

[PistolPete7556]

I'm preordering the collectors edition the first day I can. My love for BioWare has in fact grown over the last few years, despite many people's negative opinions on DAII and ME3's ending (I didnt like the ending pre-EC). They have done an excellent job addressing concerns, and have cemented my loyalty as a consumer.

Modifié par PistolPete7556, 28 septembre 2012 - 03:41 .

[Biotic Sage]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

^The thought that no game reviewers commented on ME3's ending or even thought that it would be an issue should put "professional" reviews in the right light.

I wish all the professional reviews for ME3 were re-written now, almost half a year later.  That way, the game has had time to sink in.  The reviewers will have experienced all the game has to offer, and the reactionist period would be over.  I would be really interested to hear what they have to say and if it would match up with the hyperbolic, fanatic (fans being fan-atic, ha!) reaction when people first played the ending.  As someone who is a huge fan of the ending (even before the extended cut, although the e.c. did close the glaring editing missteps which I very much appreciated), I would be quite interested indeed.

Not to start a huge thing about Mass Effect, of course I see where people are coming from with the subjective criticisms of the ending.  There are some objectively wrong criticisms that are quite popular as well...**** I'm starting a huge thing aren't I?

This is meant only to further the discussion about the influence/value of professional gaming reviews, and reviews in general.

Modifié par Biotic Sage, 28 septembre 2012 - 03:38 .

[Robhuzz]

Arokel wrote...

Cultist wrote...

Will look for Metacritic reviews first.

Metacritic?

Thats nothing more than the opinion of trolls.

So are the professional reviews.

Filter out the haters and fanboys and metacritic will be more accurate than the professional reviews. Let's face it, they'll just stamp a 9+ EXCELLENT! sign on DA3 anyway regardless of what it'll be like.