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[jaza]

Not pre ordering, not buying it after release and reviews are done, not even wasting the space to pirate it.

Modifié par jaza, 27 septembre 2012 - 06:05 .

[Robhuzz]

LinksOcarina wrote...

My offer still stands, regardless. I will bet money that the user reviews will be artificially low regardless of the game's quality.

Should be okay if you ignore the 0s and 10s. Fanboys will be giving grades way too high while haters will give the lowest grade possible. Ignore both extremes and you should have a fairly good idea of what the game is like.

Not pre ordering, not buying it after release, not even wasting the space to pirate it.  

That's a bit harsh. I think we can all agree that it won't be nearly as good as DAO (EAware simply isn't capable of greatness like the old BioWare was) but it's quite difficult to make a worse sequel than DA2....

Modifié par Robhuzz, 27 septembre 2012 - 06:07 .

[Cutlasskiwi]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

Cutlasskiwi wrote...
But right now I see no reason not to preorder DA3.

How about the fact that the only thing you know about this game is the name? Seriously what is it about this game that you feel justifies a pre order at this point? Are you just pretending to be stupid to troll me? Even if you for some strange reason enjoyed Dragon Age 2 and Awakening (which were honestly pretty crap) you still dont know anything about this game, I would think that alone would be reason enough for any sane man to stay his wallet.

If the person has a history of preordering Bioware titles without disappointment, when why not?  As we can see above people have no trouble at all throwing large sums of money at Kickstarter projects that show even less simply because they like the people involved.

What Jack said. I've enjoyed all my BioWare games so far (some more then others) so why should I feel worried at this point?

I had more fun with DA2 than I did with DAO and I'm excited to see what BioWare will do with a longer dev time since most of my problems with DA2 stems from the short dev time. And I want to see how the conflict that started in DA2 will transpire and the conclusion.

[dancarrero]

Beerfish wrote...

There will be ample reason to preorder and ample reasons for people to get upset about it. Like just about every other pre order from games the last few years there will be a companion or quest, or weapon or all of the above as incentive.

As for people that are very upset at this....i hope to hell none of them have contributed to kickstarter for the new obsidian game lest they look very foolish.

I dont see any reason for someone to be angry because another person preordered.It's their money and besides, 
those guys are going to be my hands on reference as to whether the game has major bugs or problems or if the online multiplayer interferes with the single player game.(NO EMS type element to ****** me off.)

[craigdolphin]

I'm certainly not preordering it.

Bioware asked for the benefit of the doubt in the lead-up to DA2 since they felt their track record should demonstrate that they understood what made a good game, even though some of us were nervous about the information coming out. I thought about that post and decided to trust their judgement. I pre-ordered two copies (pc and xbox) as I had done with DAO and ME2 even though there was a lot of stuff that bothered me (especially the art style change).

I was disappointed with the game. And appalled by the gaping discontinuity between the glowing professional reviews and the game I was playing. My wife was even more dissappointed in the game than I was.

So, Bioware asked for trust. I gave it to them and I felt let down. Trust, once lost, is hard to rebuild.

I didn't buy (or play) ME3 at all. Turns out that skipping Bioware games is not quite as depressing a situation as I feared.

Consequently, whatever news comes over the next year, good or bad, pre-ordering is off the table. And even if the game looks great, I'll be quite content to buy just one copy since my wife and I are no longer so excited to play that we can't wait for the other to finish first.

I also won't be placing any credence on professional reviews. I don't think the pros are lying: just that the nature of their work means that they place far more importance on novelty than I do. They seem to equate 'unique' or 'novel' with 'good' and traditional/classic/generic with 'boring and bad'. That's their subjective view and they're welcome to it. But I simply won't be making purchasing decisions based on their work as DA2 showed me how utterly different my subjective tastes are from most of the gaming press. One possible exception would be John Walker from RPS. I would still be interested in his take.

I will wait for user reviews on BSN and elsewhere (Brockololly: I'm looking at you!) . If there's a demo, I'll check it out for myself.

And if Origin is required and there's still no data collection opt-out, then I'll buy a secondhand copy for console instead of new for PC since I refuse to accept the right of EA to collect data and intend to make my displeasure with the situation known via my wallet.

Windmill: you're going down! And with that, I'll get on my trusty donkey and head home to La Mancha.

Modifié par craigdolphin, 27 septembre 2012 - 06:31 .

[Darth Death]

craigdolphin wrote...

I didn't buy (or play) ME3 at all. Turns out that skipping Bioware games is not quite as depressing a situation as I feared.
 

Don't know why, but I found this line funny. 

[jaza]

Robhuzz wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

My offer still stands, regardless. I will bet money that the user reviews will be artificially low regardless of the game's quality.

Should be okay if you ignore the 0s and 10s. Fanboys will be giving grades way too high while haters will give the lowest grade possible. Ignore both extremes and you should have a fairly good idea of what the game is like.

Not pre ordering, not buying it after release, not even wasting the space to pirate it.  

That's a bit harsh. I think we can all agree that it won't be nearly as good as DAO (EAware simply isn't capable of greatness like the old BioWare was) but it's quite difficult to make a worse sequel than DA2....

It's harsh, sure, but after...recent developments I'm enforcing a "no tolerance policy" towards Bioware games in my house.

[SafetyShattered]

I never base my videogame purchasing decisions on reviews. I've enjoyed a lot of games (like Apha Protocol) which I never would've had the pleasure of playing if I listened to reviews. So.....yeah. Day 1 purchase for me, unless Bioware did something completely crazy.

[SafetyShattered]

jaza wrote...

Not pre ordering, not buying it after release and reviews are done, not even wasting the space to pirate it.

A bit harsh...considering we don't know hardly anything besides the game's name. So maybe you should reserve your judgement until you actually know something.

[robertm2]

there is no way i will be pre-ordering this and i will be waiting at least 2 or 3 weeks until it comes out before i decide whether or not to buy it. unless it gets perfect reviews from critics and is praised as the best bioware game yet by the majority of this website i will not be buying anytime soon. if the general consensus is that it is anything less than amazing i will wait for the price to go down and buy it used.

[FedericoV]

Justin2k wrote...

Who is not going to buy this unless it gets excellent user reviews?

Me, but I just need good reviews and not excellent ones. Otherwise I will probably wait for a 75% discount or buy used.

[JamieCOTC]

In concerning BW, right now I'm feeling sort of like a test monkey that gets shocked every time he reaches for food. I want to care, I want to preorder, but I don't have it in me any more.

I know I am only one person in a sea of millions, but still let me challenge BW to make me want to care again.

[Little Princess Peach]

I wont pre order I feel ripped off as it is with ME3, I will wait for fan feed back then buy it say 5 months down the line when it becomes 20 pounds

[Cultist]

Will look for Metacritic reviews first.

[dancarrero]

robertm2 wrote...

there is no way i will be pre-ordering this and i will be waiting at least 2 or 3 weeks until it comes out before i decide whether or not to buy it. unless it gets perfect reviews from critics and is praised as the best bioware game yet by the majority of this website i will not be buying anytime soon. if the general consensus is that it is anything less than amazing i will wait for the price to go down and buy it used.

Criticism will be positive.Bioware always puts out good games.The problem is that the critic's play through is fast and superficial.No critic can afford to be completionist.Sometimes major bugs take time to manifest.An example is the slowdown bug that didn't show up until well into DA2's second act and was due to a high amount of game saving.A critic that may have saved 10 or 15 times in his entire playthrough would never encounter this disasterous bug.Nor would they realize that side quests weren't triggering correctly, like when you discover you have a cousin who is pretending to kill your uncle.That sidequest problem wasn't resolved until about 6 months had passed.A critic would not know this. You have to trust the fanbase.You have to wade through the fanboys that think that every problem is EA's fault and the haters that say ME3 sucks.Both extremes are clearly wrong.DA3 will be good, but my last 2 preorders have taught me to wait and see when the time is right to buy the game.

[Gotholhorakh]

Beerfish wrote...
The 'critics' of DA2 have for the most part hated anything BioWare from day one and were just gleeful to actually finally have a case to bash one of their games.

Wow, I think that might be the exact opposite of what is actually the case.

When did you come to this daring conclusion? What led you to it?

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 27 septembre 2012 - 07:29 .

[Apollo Starflare]

I will pre-order, I will no doubt end up following the development of the game closely and in the unlikely event I don't like what I am seeing I will simply cancel said pre-order, it's hardly a big deal. I almost never base my decision to buy a game upon it's review scores, these days all the big releases get reams of coverage beforehand.

It's incredibly difficult to go into a game not knowing what you are going to get, or expecting something else, presuming you are paying attention.

BioWare have never made me regret buying one of their games anyway, so I doubt this will change that. Oh and I have a lot less faith in the accuracy of user reviews (well places like Metacritic anyway) than I do in the judgement of my own eyes and trusting in my own instincts.

[upsettingshorts]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

Anyone putting their money where their mouth is?

Given that I pledged more toward Project Eternity and Wasteland 2 than I have paid for all of the Dragon Age and Mass Effect games combined, I think I'm doing just that.

Kickstarter has definitely found and exploited a new way to monetize consumer passion.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 27 septembre 2012 - 07:54 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

Gotholhorakh wrote...

Beerfish wrote...
The 'critics' of DA2 have for the most part hated anything BioWare from day one and were just gleeful to actually finally have a case to bash one of their games.

Wow, I think that might be the exact opposite of what is actually the case.

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Beerfish was talking about professional reviewers, I think.

If he meant people generally, then yes, he's completely wrong.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Kickstarter has definitely found and exploited a new way to monetize consumer passion.

I've been saying for years that game prices are too low.  I think Kickstarter is proving me right.

[upsettingshorts]

Not necessarily. I only pitched in $20 to PE and that gets me the game. Kickstarter is more flexible.  But broadly yes, games should probably be more expensive for a host of reasons.

That said, I will not be surprised when the "I gave [insert huge amount of money here] to [insert Kickstarter here] and I hated the result, my voice should count more because of [huge amount of money]" happens with the Kickstarter model. It'll be interesting to observe.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 27 septembre 2012 - 09:00 .

[Dessalines]

I like Dragon Age 2, but I did not like being force to play MP in ME3, and I did not like the ending of ME#. Only thing I used video game reviews is to explain the setting if I don't know the game, and I go to see if it freezes up too much. I think everything else is too subjective to actually be rated by anyone.
I will be preordering these game as soon as it comes out.

[Sylvius the Mad]

If I funded the entire game, then it would make sense for muy voice to be paramount. If I bought EA for $7 billion, and then told BioWare how to make their games, I think I could reasonably expect to be listened to.

But the big Kickstarter donors are not that much bigger than the small Kickstarter donors, when compared to the overall budget of the game. If you gave $20 and someone else gave $2,000, yes, he gave 100 times as much as you, but his contribution is still less than 0.1% of the total money raised.

[Veex]

Justin2k wrote...

Who is not going to buy this unless it gets excellent user reviews?

I've read so much that Bioware have had their last chance with their last two games and the way they treat the fanbase, and yet everyone on this board is acting like none of that happened.

This has probably been covered, but I think it deserves repeating. The people excited for DA3 likely aren't the same people who have given BioWare the "last chance" ultimatum.

[Korusus]

Gotholhorakh wrote...

Beerfish wrote...
The 'critics' of DA2 have for the most part hated anything BioWare from day one and were just gleeful to actually finally have a case to bash one of their games.

Wow, I think that might be the exact opposite of what is actually the case.

When did you come to this daring conclusion? What led you to it?

No no, a lot of us that have purchased every BioWare product from the beginning who preordered and purchased DA2 based on it being BioWare, who found massive faults with the game and openly expressed our disappointment in BioWare...no we totally have always hated BioWare from the beginning.  It's all part of our nefarious secret plot to destroy the company by giving it lots of money for actually good games.

Good on beerfish to catch that...gigs up I guess 

Modifié par Korusus, 27 septembre 2012 - 09:38 .