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[ladyofpayne]

Bioteam chevalier for Orlais is like mabari for Ferelden.
Can we get one in party? Or at least summon him on time like dog for DA 2.

[KingRoxas]

 Give me a military strategist/general companion/character! 

But a Chevalier would also be nice. 

Modifié par Kingroxas, 27 septembre 2012 - 05:27 .

[Beerfish]

The problem here is is they have a Chevalier they will need horsies.

[Eveangaline]

Only if they tell me how to pronounce it

(sha-val-yay?)

[KingRoxas]

Eveangaline wrote...

Only if they tell me how to pronounce it

(sha-val-yay?)

Chev-al-ier 

Modifié par Kingroxas, 27 septembre 2012 - 05:36 .

[Wulfram]

It would be nice to have a couple of companions who are properly native to the setting of the game, rather than a party solely composed of wacky foreigners. In DA2 we only had Varric.

@ Eveangaline http://www.howjsay.c...?word=chevalier

[ladyofpayne]

Beerfish wrote...

The problem here is is they have a Chevalier they will need horsies.

Not big problem- there is no horses as usual.

[nightcobra]

 As far as chevaliers go i'd like to have a veteran, like a grizzled general as a companion.

like this (more or less)

[sylvanaerie]

I would love a chevalier in the team. I had hoped Aveline would be one tbh, but the name was a tease. Naughty Bioware! lol I loved her characterization and would love a similar strong, capable warrior for my S&S companion next game (as I usually play mages for my first playthrough, a tank--who is as easy on the eyes as the above illustrations--would be really nice). Like Aveline, it'd be nice to flirt with him, or as with Alistair romance, but romanceable isn't necessary. Just to have one in my group would be fantastic.

I posted in another thread what I'd like, and for him to be an older gent, (or lady) who is almost ready to retire from active combat going on one last grand adventure before hanging up his spurs. (Ala Keldorn of BG2) would make me tickled to no end. While that's a more specific request, since we don't know yet who Bioware will give us, I'll indulge in a few wishes for the next game.

Eagerly looking forward to DA3!

[FINE HERE]

My mind might be mixing things up, but aren't Chevaliers almost above the law? I think there was a story about a woman getting attacked by one or something... I kinda pictured them to be like knights with the occasional jerk that abuses their power and kidnaps women/men and kills people whenever they get in their way...
The veteran character would be nice, but having a guy/girl that thinks he/she's better than you and believes he/she should be more important than you would be interesting... And the more you talk to him/her the more developed his character becomes. (He/She either looks down on you more or respects you, etc...)

[Sable Rhapsody]

FINE HERE wrote...

My mind might be mixing things up, but aren't Chevaliers almost above the law? I think there was a story about a woman getting attacked by one or something... I kinda pictured them to be like knights with the occasional jerk that abuses their power and kidnaps women/men and kills people whenever they get in their way...

It's the Orlesian lady in Denerim's main market, I think.  I didn't get the impression that they're above the law.  More like they just occupy a higher social standing than the common folk, and some chevaliers abuse that power.  Happens in every social system.

If we DO get a chevalier, s/he could fall on either side of the Orlesian civil war.  That would be very interesting indeed if we run into the opposing faction 

[Blackrising]

Guys, help me here. Just what is a Chevalier?
Is it the Orlesian version of a knight?

[nightcobra]

Blackrising wrote...

Guys, help me here. Just what is a Chevalier?
Is it the Orlesian version of a knight?

Searching...

...Data found

Showing Codex entry on "The Chevaliers"

"I remember, as a child, watching a column of chevaliers parade down a wide avenue in Val Royeaux. Dashing knights on armored steeds, pennants snapping in the breeze. I have never forgotten.Most of the Orlesian aristocracy has ties to the chevaliers. Joining the knighthood and dedicating one's life to the empire is a tried and true method to improve one's social standing. It is the obvious choice for landless nobles and noble children not in line to inherit.The knighthood welcomes both men and women, although it is rare for a woman to choose the harsh life of a chevalier over the gentle bliss of marriage and children or the peace of the Chantry. Those who do are following in the footsteps of the first woman knight, Aveline, but we hope that not all meet as ghastly an end as she did.Sadly, some members of the order abuse their power to commit atrocities that will not be recounted here. All decent Orlesians know them to be no true knights. One day, they shall answer to the Maker Himself.
—From Orlais: A Modern History, by Revered Mother Laeticia"

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 29 septembre 2012 - 08:26 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

 As far as chevaliers go i'd like to have a veteran, like a grizzled general as a companion.

like this (more or less)

Duessel! Yes, I would love a character like Duessel in DA3 as a companion! He was one of my favorite Sacred Stones character. You have my support!

[Reznore57]

Chevalier is a french word for knight ,it comes from the french word "Cheval" (= horse in english).

Knight are supposed to live by a code (don't know if it will be the case in DA) , in Songs of Fire and Ice , there's a very interesting story going about two knights Jamie Lannister and Brienne.
One still living by the code (defend the innocent, etc...) and the other who pretty much lost his way.

I don't remember if chevaliers from Orlais are influenced by any moral code , but that would be cool.

[sylvanaerie]

I don't recall any moral code expressed, but if Aveline's upbringing is any indication, Benoit du Lac (her father) raised her to be a chevalier, with the skills and attitudes he felt a knight should possess. That he did this even after he was chased out of Orlais by his patron's murderer, showed (at least to me) that they aren't all the dicks that some have represented them to be.

I'm sure there are collossal jerks among the order, just as I am sure there are basically good, honorable men who feel it their duty to protect those who cannot protect themselves, and leave a lasting legacy of something better for their descendants.

I'd like to think the Order Ser Alec starts in Ferelden at the end of Awakenings is something similar to that.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 29 septembre 2012 - 08:51 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Reznore57 wrote...

Chevalier is a french word for knight ,it comes from the french word "Cheval" (= horse in english).

Knight are supposed to live by a code (don't know if it will be the case in DA) , in Songs of Fire and Ice , there's a very interesting story going about two knights Jamie Lannister and Brienne.
One still living by the code (defend the innocent, etc...) and the other who pretty much lost his way.

I don't remember if chevaliers from Orlais are influenced by any moral code , but that would be cool.

Chevaliers are basically allowed to do whatever they want in Orlais. And some things they do aren't very noble, so I don't think they have a code of chivalry like real world warriors(knights, chevaliers, samurai, etc) do.

[funmachine]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Reznore57 wrote...

Chevalier is a french word for knight ,it comes from the french word "Cheval" (= horse in english).

Knight are supposed to live by a code (don't know if it will be the case in DA) , in Songs of Fire and Ice , there's a very interesting story going about two knights Jamie Lannister and Brienne.
One still living by the code (defend the innocent, etc...) and the other who pretty much lost his way.

I don't remember if chevaliers from Orlais are influenced by any moral code , but that would be cool.

Chevaliers are basically allowed to do whatever they want in Orlais. And some things they do aren't very noble, so I don't think they have a code of chivalry like real world warriors(knights, chevaliers, samurai, etc) do.

Well, in the real world a knight's code was very flexible too. Behaving honorably etc. was something they were only expected to do in the presence of their peers. In that sense, I think the Orlesian chevaliers are very much like medieval knights. They hold up an appearance of honor, but only when it suits them. When they want something  from people of a lower class they can just take it without having to think of the consequences. That doesn't mean there aren't any knights who consistently lead their lives by a certain code of course, regardless of social standing.
I think it would be interesting to see a chevalier party member. That would create the opportunity to encounter other chevaliers who behave completely differently from the one who travels with the group (better or worse, that's up to the devs). It could be a good way to explore more about that particular character's background and the whole Orlesian culture too.

[marshalleck]

Seems like this should almost be a given if we're in Orlais

[philippe willaume]

funmachine wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Reznore57 wrote...

Chevalier is a french word for knight ,it comes from the french word "Cheval" (= horse in english).

Knight are supposed to live by a code (don't know if it will be the case in DA) , in Songs of Fire and Ice , there's a very interesting story going about two knights Jamie Lannister and Brienne.
One still living by the code (defend the innocent, etc...) and the other who pretty much lost his way.

I don't remember if chevaliers from Orlais are influenced by any moral code , but that would be cool.

Chevaliers are basically allowed to do whatever they want in Orlais. And some things they do aren't very noble, so I don't think they have a code of chivalry like real world warriors(knights, chevaliers, samurai, etc) do.

Well, in the real world a knight's code was very flexible too. Behaving honorably etc. was something they were only expected to do in the presence of their peers. In that sense, I think the Orlesian chevaliers are very much like medieval knights. They hold up an appearance of honor, but only when it suits them. When they want something  from people of a lower class they can just take it without having to think of the consequences. That doesn't mean there aren't any knights who consistently lead their lives by a certain code of course, regardless of social standing.
I think it would be interesting to see a chevalier party member. That would create the opportunity to encounter other chevaliers who behave completely differently from the one who travels with the group (better or worse, that's up to the devs). It could be a good way to explore more about that particular character's background and the whole Orlesian culture too.

yeap my thought exactly.

If you read the book on chivalry  from Goeffrey de  Charny. He pursued a man that betrayed him accross 3 countries and then killed the dude in his bed. (and that is in the book)
and geoffrey was considered by the French and the English like the epitomy of chivalry.
He was a member of the order of the Start and he died at the battle of Poiter because he swore not to retreat.

The knights ideal is full of what we call now double standard.
It is ok to use or  to sponsor traitors but not to be one themselves
You fight one to one only in judial dual otherwise the plan is to win and you are fool if you leave your opponent a chance.
At the time 13-15th century it is a mortal sin and a crime (murder) to kill someone without reasons, but it ok to kill someone if you have cause. ( That peck dissed me  is valid cause).

As well a knighthood is something that is bestowed on you by a knight. It is not an heriditary title. But knight were part of the land owning nobility, so there is that aspect to take in account.


Phil

Modifié par philippe willaume, 29 septembre 2012 - 10:59 .