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[oO Stryfe Oo]

It'd make more sense than what it does currently. Doing significant damage while her hand barrier is up draws from her health, not her barrier. Granted, it's only a small percentage that goes through to her health, but still, it's a little counter-intuitive.

[bunnylover]

Has the poll made this discussion invalid yet?

[ryanshowseason3]

oO Stryfe Oo wrote...

It'd make more sense than what it does currently. Doing significant damage while her hand barrier is up draws from her health, not her barrier. Granted, it's only a small percentage that goes through to her health, but still, it's a little counter-intuitive.

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If you shoot her you take down barriers first. I don't think it goes straight to health ever.

It is meant to protect her from any and all powers. Which it does, even grenades.

[ryanshowseason3]

Air Quotes wrote...

bunnylover wrote...

Has the poll made this discussion invalid yet?

Oh, we can discuss :happy: But I doubt people really understand the topic and the game mechanics. 

Or perhaps they just disagree and you fail to recognize that opinions outside your own hold relevance as well. Elitist.

I've seen your opinion shift to making this supposed ability not cost shields in the first place which sounds like a mess if it would have no cooldown like PD. Whats to stop you from spamming it constantly? Why carry a weapon when you have this thing on your arm that benefits from power damage boosts like all the rest of your abilities? It would completely negate the decision between weapon and power damage...

Modifié par ryanshowseason3, 02 octobre 2012 - 12:57 .

[ryanshowseason3]

Air Quotes wrote...

ryanshowseason3 wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

bunnylover wrote...

Has the poll made this discussion invalid yet?

Oh, we can discuss :happy: But I doubt people really understand the topic and the game mechanics. 

Or perhaps they just disagree and you fail to recognize that opinions outside your own hold relevance as well. Elitist.

Nah, I understand and recognize their opinions. And they have a right to disagree. But many just disagree without reading or even thinking. 

Shadow LACKS immediate CC. She's a CQC Infiltrator and not a ranged one like the rest are. So the need of quick CC is very important for her. She's more of a Vanguard than an Infiltrator. And Vanguards such as Slayer or Novaguard both have synergy. You can CC and deal damage QUICKLY with both Charge and Nova or Charge and PD. Shadow only has Shadow Strike because Cloak doesn't do damage or CC on it's own. And both SS and ES are slow. Enemies often see trough cloak and shoot her or melee her after SS or before SS even lands. If she had a PD for quick CC, she would kill faster, be more dynamic, enemy cheats would become a fair game mechanic. 


She would still be a glass cannon, but a better one. And no longer a one trick pony. 

I see your point on CC. I'd argue that some vanguards don't have much CC and they get along fine though. Drells manage it and asari have stasis but only after their cooldown is over. Vanguards have the benefit though of getting their shields back no matter what from charge. Shadow doesn't so it just seems a unwise decision to use her in the same manner as a vanguard.

It feels more like trying to force a playstyle on her. Shadow strike feels like overkill for regular mooks, I reserve it for shielded and boss level enemies. Everyone else gets gunfire and heavy melee to take them out. shadow strike just puts you out there to kill one enemy without giving you a whole lot to defend yourself afterwards. I don't think PD would fix that if fire is coming from multiple sources.

hmmm it just seems that charge you can use willy nilly to attack anything you d*** well please. Shadow strike feels like more of a power to use when you know what is going on at that target and what is around, your shields aren't guaranteed and the damage resistance really isn't all that great, you'll get torn up if you use it like charge. I'm not sure CC would help either, enemies will still get shots in and whittle you down and you won't have a reliable shield recharge method.

Also having it not have a cooldown or use shields makes it overpowered. I think what would be more appropriate would be a user based stagger grenade type effect. So it wasn't tied to a cooldown and didn't use shields, but wasn't spammable ad nausea.

[Immortal Strife]

PD on the shadow would be fine by me, she plays very ackwardly currently as quotes as stated. At least sword mastery will work with SS now. Speaking of which, why does the Slayer not have Sword Mastery and why does the slayer not have a melee bonus attached to charge?

Modifié par Immortal Strife, 03 octobre 2012 - 04:15 .

[ryanshowseason3]

Air Quotes wrote...

Okay, I have a question for you:

Why do you people say that Shadow is squishy?

I wouldn't say shes squishy. I just say she doesn't stand up to a vanguard playstyle. Shadow strike isn't that kind of power.

[Yaevinn]

Air Quotes wrote...



 

She's hot. Erm... what was the question, again?

[Yaevinn]

uhm, thanks.
1. Definitley.
2. Smokin' hot. Janine Turner meets Demi Moore. I am old, i know.

[m1lanov]

Air Quotes wrote...

Okay, I guess I'll answer my own question then, on why people think Shadow is squishy.

1. They spec Shadow Strike for pure damage. Can't blame them. You need that damage for Phantoms and other bigger enemies (Ravagers, Brutes, Primes, Atlases and so on). They don't take either 40% DR after SS or the Drain.
2. Most IMPORTANT. They have no ways to control the crowd before and especially AFTER Shadow Strike. Electric Slash is just WAYYYY too slow for that. That leaves them very vulnerable, because enemies often cheat with their super reflexes and hearing. So Shadow can only run and hide after SS. If she had Slayer's or Fury's dodge that wouldn't be so difficult, but alas, she doesn't have it. So often times she just get shot, meleed or sync-killed.

So that's why I'm petitioning for a Phase Disruptor for her. This would allow you to take Damage Reduction or Drain evolutions of SS, because you could supplement your damage output with the PD. You will lose a bit of shields, but the ability to Crowd Control and additional damage from PD after SS would allow Cloak and SS to recharge.

You trade your SURVIVABILITY trough shields for your SURVIVABILITY trough IMMEDIATE damage and CC. You trade PASSIVE survivability for an ACTIVE one. You trade SURVIVABILITY FOR SURVIVABILITY however ridiculous it sounds.

Active survivability requires more skill, but is much more fun.

+ it would be really cool

[jakenou]

While I would also like something to replace ES on the Shadow, I think using PD would make her pretty much a copy of the Phantom. IIRC, the N7 characters were created as an ensemble of powers gathered from Cerberus intel which was spread out among the classes. No single N7 is a perfect or even near-perfect match of their Cerberus counterparts.

I say give the Shadow the ability to set up turrets!

[jakenou]

Air Quotes wrote...
She IS a replica of the Phantom.  She has an unused blaster in her palm, she looks like a Phantom, has Phantom moves, cloak, sword. So just go all the way and give her a PD as-well. 

How about Ballistic Blades? That would keep her different from Phantom, make use of the palm blaster, and make her a crazy ninja!

[Aethyl]

A character which has been introduced won't be drastically changed, no matter what, and so won't have its power set changed.

Just because some people maybe love to play the Shadow with Electric Slash, (I am not talking about the spammers there, but the people which could use this skill as it was designed for, from time to time, when it's meant to be used) and would (and we can't really blame them for that) not appreciate their favorite character to be changed.

So, the N7 Shadow won't change, end of the line.

Modifié par Aethyl, 07 octobre 2012 - 06:48 .

[An English Gamer]

Step 1: Change her character model to what you have their OP.

Step 2: Make her able to counter melee attacks directed at her that result in her doing serious damage to most targets. Targets that can't be countered would include bosses. Phantoms melee and sync could be blocked but the phantom would not take damage.

Step 3: Now do whatever it is you want with PD. She would already be a true space-ninja by this point so I don't really care.