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[Cyonan]

CrutchCricket wrote...
Don't think you'd need to go that far. 

And is it really 1.8 seconds? It always feels a lot shorter.

Whatever. I stand by my point that the phantom pew pew is ungodly and ridiculous vs players to the point where her other attacks feel like more of a formality.

I still support some sort of palm blaster for the Shadow seeing as how the model has the palm kajigger installed and ready to go

The game files say 1.8 seconds, though they can double tap just like Rocket Troopers can. Pretty much every humanoid enemy can actually double tap, we just notice it most when the Rocket Troopers do it, because Rockets.

I think I mentioned it a month ago in this thread, but I don't think the Palm Blaster pew pew fits the melee kit all that well.

I've no idea what ability you could do that would that doesn't overlap with Shadow Strike or Tactical Cloak, but I don't think the Palm Blaster fits it.

[LegionofRannoch]

Did you say pole?

[TheCandlejack]

LegionofRannoch wrote...

Did you say pole?

Drunk stripper Phantom? Yes please.

[CrutchCricket]

Cyonan wrote...
The game files say 1.8 seconds, though they can double tap just like Rocket Troopers can. Pretty much every humanoid enemy can actually double tap, we just notice it most when the Rocket Troopers do it, because Rockets.

I think I mentioned it a month ago in this thread, but I don't think the Palm Blaster pew pew fits the melee kit all that well.

I've no idea what ability you could do that would that doesn't overlap with Shadow Strike or Tactical Cloak, but I don't think the Palm Blaster fits it.

The underlined: How ironic. I was just thinking the same thing about the Phantom. Even though she uses it in lieu of a weapon.

But that double tap... that explains a lot.

I think something closer to the Slayer's Phase Disruptor (as opposed to that damned pew-pew) would work. It's just a matter of getting around the shield drain problem. There's the shield drain evo of SS as OP pointed out. I wonder if they could program an inherent shield boost that activates if you've drained shields using PD, even if cloaked. That way you could still benefit from shieldgate.

Say it works exactly like Phase disruptor (with recent buff). Fire 5 shots- shields drain, automatically regain 10-15 percent (not enough to fire again but enough to have shieldgate). Perhaps allow for evos to increase this "backup shield generator" as well. That or simply have the shield cost halved on the fifth shot, leaving you with some shields but unable to fire it again until shields get restored.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

I love the N7 Stealth Medic. 

<ahem> I mean, Shadow.

It is Agapé love.

I accept her for who she is, and will not ask her to change.

[treydeeze]

Los Tacos Bueno wrote...

Having phase disruptor on a Shadow sounds fun, but the class would be way too difficult to play. I'm assuming that phase disruptor would use shields instead of barriers on a Shadow. If that were the case, then you would hardly be able to use it considering your shields don't recharge while you are cloaked and you don't have biotic charge to fill them back up. You would have to completely redesign phase disruptor (cooldown power, doesn't use shields/barriers) in order for the class to be more effective and I don't like the idea of people touching my phase disruptor.

Shadow Strike has a drain sheilds in one of the evolutions. That might work lol

[palmof40sorrows]

No. No no no no NO. I like that the Earth characters all have unique power sets. Why dilute that? Luckily there is almost NO chance of this happening, so YAY. Also, CAPS.

[Rebel_Raven]

Air Quotes wrote...

Rebel_Raven wrote...

I still maintain my stance that the shadow's too squishy to go, essentially, shooting her shields at enemies, even with the buff.

Tac Cloak only makes it worse as her shields will not regenerate with it on, and enemies can cheat to ignore it's stealth factor. She can't affoed to be an even more delicate glass cannon.

Sure, Shadow has an evo on shadow strike for shield transfer, but it's by no means any level of replacement of the shield restore Biotic Charge offers.

The Slayer is a vanguard with Biotic charge which is a far more reliable means of regaining shields. That's how Phase Disruptor works for him. It's as simple as that.

A shadow's offense would be crippled with phase disruptor as she would have to rely on natural shield regen, hope there's an enemy with shields/barriers to siphon off of, ops packs, or hope there's a GE, or Volus on the team to recharge her shields which is nothing ANY class should have to rely on.

I'm by no means a massive fan of ES, but it's got far better utility.

 

Again. You DON'T HAVE TO spam it like the Slayer. You will use it once or twice very fast to set up a melee, Shadow Strike or detonate an explosion. That will only take 20% of shields. Plus you can use as an "OH-****" button to quickly stagger and CC enemies if you end up in a crowd of mooks.  

No one says you have to spam it till your shields are down and then SS to refill them, you could do that of course, but PD on a Shadow would be a more tactical tool that you will have to use sparingly and using your brains. But that stagger would be INVALUABLE for her in the skilled hands. In any case - it's MUCH faster and better than ES. 

I get what you're saying but honestly none of it really applies to my shadow style.

Heck, I barely use ES, but when I do it's for it's serious advantages of piercing obstacles, and knocking down enemies while I'm falling back. PD would neuter my ability to deliver parting shots in that it doesn't go through walls, cover, etc., and it takes bites out of my shields that I'll probably need.

I play Shadow like an assassin and soldier. Until I have a target and an escape plan I don't use shadow strike. that means I don't get caught in clusters of enemies all that often. When I do it's coz I wasn't paying that much attention, but hey, I'm cloaked still, so I bounce.
Until I have a target, I fight conventionally with guns. it doesn't take long for an important target to get split from the herd, though, so I sparingly use my guns.

I don't need to stagger to set up melee, coz I melee from cloak, or when the enemies backs are turned/they're preoccupied.

I don't get into "oh crap' moments that PD would help me with. PD's not going to down a ravager, or scion blasting me from across the map, and even if it could, by then, I probably don't have shields to use PD with!

ES is more useful than PD to me. I don't want to give up the ability to deliver parting shots through obstacles, and walls, drive enemies out of cover, and knock them on their asses.

Our combat styles do not seem compatible enough for PD to be good for both of us. I can't fathom HOW PD would be good since it's severely limited in use, and the high risk/little to no reward nature of it.

[Rebel_Raven]

Air Quotes wrote...
A Fire Explosion or Tech Burst when primed with ammo powers and detoaned with PD would kill enemies faster, that way you won't need to fall back behind walls to spam ES like a coward and actually spend more time in action, fighing like a goddamn ninja.  

And I'm not talking about MY style or YOUR style. I'm talking about SHADOW style. Cloak, PD and SS gives her a very well rounded package that involves skill, fast thinking, quick movement, mass destruction and centered around melee. That's what Shadow is. 

Spamming ES behind walls is not Shadow. It's just pathetic. And you don't improve by doing that. 

Ugh, Ryu Hayabusa really screwed up the idea of a ninja didn't he?

Ninjas are assassins, decoys, and essentially cowards that rely on causing supernatural fear, and dread in the world as they work.  A ninja doesn't charge into a group of enemies, screaming, and then hack up everything in sight. They don't fight toe to toe if they can help it, they fight on their terms, striking when the enemy is least aware.
They infiltrate, get to their target, and get out.

Ninjas did what it took to get the job done with what they had. They did not fight like some world ending genocide machine.

A ninja that's seen coming is a bad ninja, IMO. So spraying enemies, hoping the ammo power kicks in, then SSing in, and then causing explosions is not really ninja like coz it's frikking obvious, and prone to get you interrupted during shadow strike.

Ninjas tend to ambush, strike like lightning, and gtfo coz they're not usually as well trained as a profesisonal fighter due to the generalization of skills they need to infiltrate, hide, and generally get to their target undetected. They do not kill everyone in the target's castle in a massive brawl. That's just being a thug.

And you said it yourself, SS can be interrupted. If it's interrupted, you're not using PD coz you're dead, or have no shields from the elbow of doom, pyro flames, or something. And if you're shooting the enemies then they'll likely be targeting you so they're more prone to actually interrupting SS.

How often do you set up the ideal situation you have where a spawn gets primed, and are ready to be PD'd?

Who said spamming ES? Are you still on about people who do nothing but stand behind a wall, and spam? I've NEVER seen anyone do that first hand beyond when I first started as a shadow, and I quickly grew out of it when I realized it doesn't work all that well, and NO, PD wouldn't fix it.
Hell, I barely see shadows anymore!

As far as my ES use goes, I get around a corner as I'm falling back, use ES once or twice, and resume falling back. If I'm not falling back, I'm using my gun, and shadow striking.

People can play shadows diffirently. From the stuff you're talkign about, it's apparent we do play diffirently. My partner plays drastically diffirent, and I'm amazed it works coz she uses the PPR as a main weapon, heavy as it is.

Me? I'm generally my own sniper bullet. A pumped up Kishok using a careful blend of melee boosters to get to the point where I can shadow strike a ravager, or turret, then get away before they actually die from the DoT so I don't have to get gooed or exploded on. Ya know, get in, get the kill, get out virtually undetected save the corpse. Like a ninja.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Air Quotes wrote...

^ doing it oh so wrong. And if you use ES once or twice that tells me it's garbage and not worth using at all.

And barely seeing Shadows tells me that they suck for most people and other Infiltrators outclass them.

Eh? I see Shadows all the time. Many of the best players I know love Shadows.

They are complex and magnificent. Constructively seek to change them, sure.

But don't slag on my beloved Shadow. 

[Rebel_Raven]

Air Quotes wrote...

^ doing it oh so wrong. And if you use ES once or twice that tells me it's garbage and not worth using at all.

And barely seeing Shadows tells me that they suck for most people and other Infiltrators outclass them.

Uhm, PD'd be in the same boat getting used once or twice. By your standards, it's garbage, too. In fact it's to the point it HAS to be used sparingly coz shadows have limited means of using it what with largely having to use natural shield regeneration to re-arm.

Infact I'd use it less, and possibly spec out of it coz of the glaring, simple fact, that it kills my shields which I need incase Shadow Strike goes wrong, and if it does go wrong I won't have shields to use PD with.

My shadow skills pay the bills. I am not complaining.

[Tyrannus00]

Should restart the poll. PD has changed.

[Rebel_Raven]

Air Quotes wrote...

Rebel_Raven wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

^ doing it oh so wrong. And if you use ES once or twice that tells me it's garbage and not worth using at all.

And barely seeing Shadows tells me that they suck for most people and other Infiltrators outclass them.

Uhm, PD'd be in the same boat getting used once or twice. By your standards, it's garbage, too. In fact it's to the point it HAS to be used sparingly coz shadows have limited means of using it what with largely having to use natural shield regeneration to re-arm.

Infact I'd use it less, and possibly spec out of it coz of the glaring, simple fact, that it kills my shields which I need incase Shadow Strike goes wrong, and if it does go wrong I won't have shields to use PD with.

My shadow skills pay the bills. I am not complaining.

 

You rarely play Gold. So... 

That doesn't mean I don't play gold, so...

[The Mysterious Stranger]

StrawHatMoose wrote...

Her face...... put the mask back on.

[Cyonan]

Air Quotes wrote...

A Fire Explosion or Tech Burst when primed with ammo powers and detoaned with PD would kill enemies faster, that way you won't need to fall back behind walls to spam ES like a coward and actually spend more time in action, fighing like a goddamn ninja.

And I'm not talking about MY style or YOUR style. I'm talking about SHADOW style. Cloak, PD and SS gives her a very well rounded package that involves skill, fast thinking, quick movement, mass destruction and centered around melee. That's what Shadow is.

Spamming ES behind walls is not Shadow. It's just pathetic. And you don't improve by doing that.

Spamming ammo power combos with Phase Disruptor?

Your Shadow sounds suspiciously similar to a certain Vanguard that I know.

It's also not melee oriented.

[darkpassenger2342]

Im sure the PC guys would LOVEEEEEE having an infiltrator with phase disruptor...

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 18 janvier 2013 - 07:18 .