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Please Bioware, give Shadow a Phase Disruptor! (NOW WITH A POLL)


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^ doing it oh so wrong. And if you use ES once or twice that tells me it's garbage and not worth using at all.

And barely seeing Shadows tells me that they suck for most people and other Infiltrators outclass them.

Uhm, PD'd be in the same boat getting used once or twice. By your standards, it's garbage, too. In fact it's to the point it HAS to be used sparingly coz shadows have limited means of using it what with largely having to use natural shield regeneration to re-arm.

Infact I'd use it less, and possibly spec out of it coz of the glaring, simple fact, that it kills my shields which I need incase Shadow Strike goes wrong, and if it does go wrong I won't have shields to use PD with.

My shadow skills pay the bills. I am not complaining. :P

 

You rarely play Gold. So... 



That doesn't mean I don't play gold, so...

 

So, that means you have limited experience. 


Doesn't mean I have zero experience. I have enough shadow experience to be successful, and know that PD's virtually suicidal coz a shadow has crap for shields as it is. Getting closer to death using PD is absurd.
Slayer gets away with it because he can use Biotic Charge. Shadow does not get that luxury.

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I wonder what the Cerberus Phantoms look like now lol


My guess, people they abducted from Grissom Academy. :ph34r:

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Phase disruptor from cloak? Yes please.

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^ doing it oh so wrong. And if you use ES once or twice that tells me it's garbage and not worth using at all.

And barely seeing Shadows tells me that they suck for most people and other Infiltrators outclass them.

Uhm, PD'd be in the same boat getting used once or twice. By your standards, it's garbage, too. In fact it's to the point it HAS to be used sparingly coz shadows have limited means of using it what with largely having to use natural shield regeneration to re-arm.

Infact I'd use it less, and possibly spec out of it coz of the glaring, simple fact, that it kills my shields which I need incase Shadow Strike goes wrong, and if it does go wrong I won't have shields to use PD with.

My shadow skills pay the bills. I am not complaining. :P

 

You rarely play Gold. So... 



That doesn't mean I don't play gold, so...

 

So, that means you have limited experience. 


Doesn't mean I have zero experience. I have enough shadow experience to be successful, and know that PD's virtually suicidal coz a shadow has crap for shields as it is. Getting closer to death using PD is absurd.
Slayer gets away with it because he can use Biotic Charge. Shadow does not get that luxury.

 

SRLSY? Again? "facepalm" 

Her shields are FINE. She has much as most adepts. She's squishy because she has no CC. 

Why does Quarian Soldier lacks? Because he has no immediate CC. Ad that makes him squishy as hell. 

One blast from PD out of cloak on primed targets could get you a kill streak. Do you realize that? The enemies ARE DEAD. So it doesn't matter if you lost some shields if the enemies ARE DEAD and there's nothing to kill you. 

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SRLSY? Again? "facepalm" 

Her shields are FINE. She has much as most adepts. She's squishy because she has no CC. 

Why does Quarian Soldier lacks? Because he has no immediate CC. Ad that makes him squishy as hell. 

One blast from PD out of cloak on primed targets could get you a kill streak. Do you realize that? The enemies ARE DEAD. So it doesn't matter if you lost some shields if the enemies ARE DEAD and there's nothing to kill you. 

Ya know what? Yes, again. You don't touch on any raised points, you ignore questions, and simply shove how "cool" PD would be on a shadow in best case scenarios which obviously isn't going to work.

I really doubt that you'll get many streaks vs enemies with shields/barriers. By the time the shields are stripped, they'll have spread out unless you use the acolyte, and hope the blast removes the shields from multiple targets.
You might put on the hurt on a good many of them, but nuking a spawn that fast? I kinda doubt that.
There'll be enemies you gotta finish off, be it from durability or just being outside the range of your attacks, and odds are you'll be the one finished off coz there's no way you'll be cloaked using SS, and PD. Your shields will be weakned from the PD use, too.
Then maybe you'd need an "Oh sh**" button coz you've recklessly charged into a spawn which even is crazy talk as far as I'm concerned.

It sounds like you're wanting to shoot enemies, prime a bunch in a hurry, shadow strike, then PD which feels like a slower novaguard without the invulnerability frames.

That might work in early waves, but once the bosses come out, you're a suicide bomber.

She's squishy because her shields are average. It has nothing to do with Crowd Control coz I certainly don't get into crowrds that need to be controlled to begin with.
She's just squishy. A lot of characters meet my squishy notion though. Largely coz they die in moments being outside of hard or soft cover uncloaked. Which a shadow will be for at least 3 seconds.

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^ You don't know how to play the game or how it works. Clearly.

20% drain for massive damage, stagger and fire splosions + tech bursts in addition to SS and weapon damage is a very little price to pay. And you make a big deal of Shadows shields and how you would die if you use PD a couple of times.

You have speed, you have cloak, you have 50% DR dodge, you can have DR from SS too.

PD would make her a dream Infiltrator and freaking beast, that's fun to use. Like Fury.

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^ You don't know how to play the game or how it works. Clearly.

20% drain for massive damage, stagger and fire splosions + tech bursts in addition to SS and weapon damage is a very little price to pay. And you make a big deal of Shadows shields and how you would die if you use PD a couple of times.

You have speed, you have cloak, you have 50% DR dodge, you can have DR from SS too.

PD would make her a dream Infiltrator and freaking beast, that's fun to use. Like Fury.

Can't outrun bullets, cloak's down for 3 seconds after a SS-PD combo so that's out as far as SSing into a spawn goes, the 50% Dr from dodging is going ot have to make up for the shields you burn using PD, and the DR from SS doesn't prevent you from being killed when SS goes wrong. When SS goes wrong, you'll pretty much have no shields.

The whole thing hinges on the entire spawn being primed, and your SS working. It's ludicrous, IMO.

We're just gunna have to agree to disagree on this. You can not seem to sell me on the idea because I don't care how "cool" it is, or if Shadow has a palm blaster in her design.

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Phase Disruptor and TC on the same class? Are you on crack?

Next you ask them to switch out her TC for the Huntress TC in addition to that.

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^ You don't know how to play the game or how it works. Clearly.

20% drain for massive damage, stagger and fire splosions + tech bursts in addition to SS and weapon damage is a very little price to pay. And you make a big deal of Shadows shields and how you would die if you use PD a couple of times.

You have speed, you have cloak, you have 50% DR dodge, you can have DR from SS too.

PD would make her a dream Infiltrator and freaking beast, that's fun to use. Like Fury.

Can't outrun bullets, cloak's down for 3 seconds after a SS-PD combo so that's out as far as SSing into a spawn goes, the 50% Dr from dodging is going ot have to make up for the shields you burn using PD, and the DR from SS doesn't prevent you from being killed when SS goes wrong. When SS goes wrong, you'll pretty much have no shields.

The whole thing hinges on the entire spawn being primed, and your SS working. It's ludicrous, IMO.

We're just gunna have to agree to disagree on this. You can not seem to sell me on the idea because I don't care how "cool" it is, or if Shadow has a palm blaster in her design.

 

I'm done arguing. L2P. 

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^ You don't know how to play the game or how it works. Clearly.

20% drain for massive damage, stagger and fire splosions + tech bursts in addition to SS and weapon damage is a very little price to pay. And you make a big deal of Shadows shields and how you would die if you use PD a couple of times.

You have speed, you have cloak, you have 50% DR dodge, you can have DR from SS too.

PD would make her a dream Infiltrator and freaking beast, that's fun to use. Like Fury.

Can't outrun bullets, cloak's down for 3 seconds after a SS-PD combo so that's out as far as SSing into a spawn goes, the 50% Dr from dodging is going ot have to make up for the shields you burn using PD, and the DR from SS doesn't prevent you from being killed when SS goes wrong. When SS goes wrong, you'll pretty much have no shields.

The whole thing hinges on the entire spawn being primed, and your SS working. It's ludicrous, IMO.

We're just gunna have to agree to disagree on this. You can not seem to sell me on the idea because I don't care how "cool" it is, or if Shadow has a palm blaster in her design.

 

I'm done arguing. L2P. 




4 months later and you are still on this kick? PD is overpowered. Giving this ability to a class with TC would break the class. Just give it up, seriously.

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Phase Disruptor and TC on the same class? Are you on crack?

Next you ask them to switch out her TC for the Huntress TC in addition to that.

 

Because it's not Slayer. And you will not be able to charge and get your shields back all the time. You would have to use it sparinglyUnless you have a Volus nearby. But he also makes Slayer godly, so that's not an argumanet.

And lso most Shadows will pick Duration and bonus power, and Duration CLoak gives you 40% boost, Slayers PD after BC is also 40% more powerful so it's even. 

Plus the damage can be adjusted. And shield drain too. The important thing is stagger, speed, Fire Explosions and Tech Bursts. 

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^ You don't know how to play the game or how it works. Clearly.

20% drain for massive damage, stagger and fire splosions + tech bursts in addition to SS and weapon damage is a very little price to pay. And you make a big deal of Shadows shields and how you would die if you use PD a couple of times.

You have speed, you have cloak, you have 50% DR dodge, you can have DR from SS too.

PD would make her a dream Infiltrator and freaking beast, that's fun to use. Like Fury.

Can't outrun bullets, cloak's down for 3 seconds after a SS-PD combo so that's out as far as SSing into a spawn goes, the 50% Dr from dodging is going ot have to make up for the shields you burn using PD, and the DR from SS doesn't prevent you from being killed when SS goes wrong. When SS goes wrong, you'll pretty much have no shields.

The whole thing hinges on the entire spawn being primed, and your SS working. It's ludicrous, IMO.

We're just gunna have to agree to disagree on this. You can not seem to sell me on the idea because I don't care how "cool" it is, or if Shadow has a palm blaster in her design.

 

I'm done arguing. L2P. 




4 months later and you are still on this kick? PD is overpowered. Giving this ability to a class with TC would break the class. Just give it up, seriously.


Slayer PD after Charge = 40% boost and Slayer can charge all the time. 
Shadows PD out of Duration Cloak - 40% boost 

It's equal. So stop QQ

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Clearly it's your pet class, so arguing is fun but pointless. Congrats on getting it to 13 pages, but I'd bet good money it ain't never gonna happen.

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Clearly it's your pet class, so arguing is fun but pointless. Congrats on getting it to 13 pages, but I'd bet good money it ain't never gonna happen.

 

No. It's not even my favorite. But I want to like it. I asked for a Phantom afterall, before the Earth DLC. 

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Slayer PD after Charge = 40% boost and Slayer can charge all the time. 
Shadows PD out of Duration Cloak - 40% boost 

It's equal. So stop QQ


if the shadow got PD id take damage over duration.
so 80% for some.
just giving my 2 cents not trying to dispute anything.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 18 janvier 2013 - 08:40 .


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If Bioware will incrase the max LVL for characters. I would see Palm Disruptor what have Cerberus Phantoms. ^^

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^ You don't know how to play the game or how it works. Clearly.

20% drain for massive damage, stagger and fire splosions + tech bursts in addition to SS and weapon damage is a very little price to pay. And you make a big deal of Shadows shields and how you would die if you use PD a couple of times.

You have speed, you have cloak, you have 50% DR dodge, you can have DR from SS too.

PD would make her a dream Infiltrator and freaking beast, that's fun to use. Like Fury.

Can't outrun bullets, cloak's down for 3 seconds after a SS-PD combo so that's out as far as SSing into a spawn goes, the 50% Dr from dodging is going ot have to make up for the shields you burn using PD, and the DR from SS doesn't prevent you from being killed when SS goes wrong. When SS goes wrong, you'll pretty much have no shields.

The whole thing hinges on the entire spawn being primed, and your SS working. It's ludicrous, IMO.

We're just gunna have to agree to disagree on this. You can not seem to sell me on the idea because I don't care how "cool" it is, or if Shadow has a palm blaster in her design.

 

I'm done arguing. L2P. 




4 months later and you are still on this kick? PD is overpowered. Giving this ability to a class with TC would break the class. Just give it up, seriously.


Slayer PD after Charge = 40% boost and Slayer can charge all the time. 
Shadows PD out of Duration Cloak - 40% boost 

It's equal. So stop QQ


Shadow can get 80% and is not required to charge into a group of enemies to achieve the bonus. How is this equal again?

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Slayer PD after Charge = 40% boost and Slayer can charge all the time. 
Shadows PD out of Duration Cloak - 40% boost 

It's equal. So stop QQ


if the shadow got PD id take damage over duration.
so 80% for some.
just giving my 2 cents not trying to dispute anything.

 

You'll get some blasts and then what? You're not Slayer, No Charge. SS is your main damage dealer and with Damage cloak you will not make 2 SS's all the time. So it evens out. 

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° Electric Slash : if it´s used correctly can be a serious weapon for kill all ^^   

° Phase Disruptor: same here :)

final veredict both are nice.

 

The difference is speed. And you know it's slow. 

60 minutes for Shadow on Platinum, 30 minutes for Fury. Big difference. 


hahaha  big ? it's abysmal  "but  i'm not comparing the shadow with the fury B) "

the difference between  Phase Disruptor and  Electric Slash is the caster time.

but you can use the Electric slash only for detonate Incendiary and Disruptor effects "plus you can use through the walls"

have an AOE effect " not much people know this" 

pro: dont need power CD

cons: you need stay close "for the AOE effect "

Now  Phase Disruptor you can use for 2 things detonate  Incendiary and Disruptor effects or just take down the shields.

this dont have any hidden effect.

pro: Fast caster time/don´t have CD

cons: Drain your own shields "this is not a vanguard" so you need stay close of some cover if you want use it

remember shadow have low  HP/shields.

or stay far from your objetive. 

another solution for this will be add CD to this PD.
So what you think  ?? :huh:
im fine with both " i don´t care to much  because don't represents a major change  -_- "  
but I must admit it would be interesting.  ^_^

Modifié par N7-Link, 18 janvier 2013 - 08:49 .


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Air Quotes wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

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Slayer PD after Charge = 40% boost and Slayer can charge all the time. 
Shadows PD out of Duration Cloak - 40% boost 

It's equal. So stop QQ


if the shadow got PD id take damage over duration.
so 80% for some.
just giving my 2 cents not trying to dispute anything.

 

You'll get some blasts and then what? You're not Slayer, No Charge. SS is your main damage dealer and with Damage cloak you will not make 2 SS's all the time. So it evens out. 


Do you even play this game? Evo 6, fire one power and stay cloaked. duhhhhh.

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^ You don't know how to play the game or how it works. Clearly.

20% drain for massive damage, stagger and fire splosions + tech bursts in addition to SS and weapon damage is a very little price to pay. And you make a big deal of Shadows shields and how you would die if you use PD a couple of times.

You have speed, you have cloak, you have 50% DR dodge, you can have DR from SS too.

PD would make her a dream Infiltrator and freaking beast, that's fun to use. Like Fury.

Can't outrun bullets, cloak's down for 3 seconds after a SS-PD combo so that's out as far as SSing into a spawn goes, the 50% Dr from dodging is going ot have to make up for the shields you burn using PD, and the DR from SS doesn't prevent you from being killed when SS goes wrong. When SS goes wrong, you'll pretty much have no shields.

The whole thing hinges on the entire spawn being primed, and your SS working. It's ludicrous, IMO.

We're just gunna have to agree to disagree on this. You can not seem to sell me on the idea because I don't care how "cool" it is, or if Shadow has a palm blaster in her design.

 

I'm done arguing. L2P. 




4 months later and you are still on this kick? PD is overpowered. Giving this ability to a class with TC would break the class. Just give it up, seriously.


Slayer PD after Charge = 40% boost and Slayer can charge all the time. 
Shadows PD out of Duration Cloak - 40% boost 

It's equal. So stop QQ


Shadow can get 80% and is not required to charge into a group of enemies to achieve the bonus. How is this equal again?


Again. She will not be able to recharge shields at will. No Charge. Are you gonna use Ops packs everytime you run out of shields? And Damage cloak will ruin your Shadow Strike and Bonus power.  

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Slayer PD after Charge = 40% boost and Slayer can charge all the time. 
Shadows PD out of Duration Cloak - 40% boost 

It's equal. So stop QQ


if the shadow got PD id take damage over duration.
so 80% for some.
just giving my 2 cents not trying to dispute anything.

 

You'll get some blasts and then what? You're not Slayer, No Charge. SS is your main damage dealer and with Damage cloak you will not make 2 SS's all the time. So it evens out. 


Do you even play this game? Evo 6, fire one power and stay cloaked. duhhhhh.


You'll run out of shields Sherlock and you have no Biotic charge to refill. And shields do not regen in cloak. 

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° Electric Slash : if it´s used correctly can be a serious weapon for kill all ^^   

° Phase Disruptor: same here :)

final veredict both are nice.

 

The difference is speed. And you know it's slow. 

60 minutes for Shadow on Platinum, 30 minutes for Fury. Big difference. 


hahaha  big ? it's abysmal  "but  i'm not comparing the shadow with the fury B) "

the difference between  Phase Disruptor and  Electric Slash is the caster time.

but you can use the Electric slash only for detonate Incendiary and Disruptor effects "plus you can use through the walls"

have an AOE effect " not much people know this" 

pro: dont need power CD

cons: you need stay close "for the AOE effect "

Now  Phase Disruptor you can use for 2 things detonate  Incendiary and Disruptor effects or just take down the shields.

this dont have any hidden effect.

pro: Fast caster time/don´t have CD

cons: Drain your own shields "this is not a vanguard" so you need stay close of some cover if you want use it

remember shadow have low  HP/shields.

or stay far from your objetive. 

another solution for this will be add CD to this PD.
So what you think  ?? :huh:
im fine with both " i don´t care to much  because don't represents a major change  -_- "  
but I must admit it would be interesting.  ^_^


Oh come on. Even with your 10 ops packs, you were almost dead by wave 7. 

Modifié par Air Quotes, 18 janvier 2013 - 08:52 .


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^ You don't know how to play the game or how it works. Clearly.

20% drain for massive damage, stagger and fire splosions + tech bursts in addition to SS and weapon damage is a very little price to pay. And you make a big deal of Shadows shields and how you would die if you use PD a couple of times.

You have speed, you have cloak, you have 50% DR dodge, you can have DR from SS too.

PD would make her a dream Infiltrator and freaking beast, that's fun to use. Like Fury.

Can't outrun bullets, cloak's down for 3 seconds after a SS-PD combo so that's out as far as SSing into a spawn goes, the 50% Dr from dodging is going ot have to make up for the shields you burn using PD, and the DR from SS doesn't prevent you from being killed when SS goes wrong. When SS goes wrong, you'll pretty much have no shields.

The whole thing hinges on the entire spawn being primed, and your SS working. It's ludicrous, IMO.

We're just gunna have to agree to disagree on this. You can not seem to sell me on the idea because I don't care how "cool" it is, or if Shadow has a palm blaster in her design.

 

I'm done arguing. L2P. 




4 months later and you are still on this kick? PD is overpowered. Giving this ability to a class with TC would break the class. Just give it up, seriously.


Slayer PD after Charge = 40% boost and Slayer can charge all the time. 
Shadows PD out of Duration Cloak - 40% boost 

It's equal. So stop QQ


Shadow can get 80% and is not required to charge into a group of enemies to achieve the bonus. How is this equal again?


Again. She will not be able to recharge shields at will. No Charge. Are you gonna use Ops packs everytime you run out of shields? And Damage cloak will ruin your Shadow Strike and Bonus power.  


My goodness, you are clueless. You are an Infiltrator. PD has some decent range. Damage cloak lasts more than long enough to get an evo 6 PD  and then another before cloak breaks. If you host, you might even get 3 in with an 80% bonus. Then you wait a second for your shields to come back. With equipment, this can be negated to almost no time at all.

You really shouldn't be tossing out L2P comments to others until you L2P yourself.

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Oh come on. Even with your 10 ops packs, you were almost dead by wave 7. 


I made many mistakes "i tried it only 1 time :ph34r:"
but i saved my ass like a boss  :P

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