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Please Bioware, give Shadow a Phase Disruptor! (NOW WITH A POLL)


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I originally wanted for the Shadow to not use weapons AT ALL. Just have a Palm Blaster, SS and Sword + Cloak.


Shadow and Slayer are funtional Ninjas. Ninjas are bit on the practical side, so they would have weapons training that is reflective of the time period. So it will be no surprised that a Shadow/Slayer with a solid weapon at their side.

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Air Quotes wrote...

I originally wanted for the Shadow to not use weapons AT ALL. Just have a Palm Blaster, SS and Sword + Cloak.


You must equip at least one weapon... *click*
You must equip at least one weapon... *click*

"but... I am the weapon", said the Fury Shadow 

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Good players don't use ES or BS. Or use them very rarely. They only slow them down. Good players dominate with only SS and PD on the Slayer.

And ES doesn't complement Shadow as much as a PD would. No one said that it must drain her shields. A unique version of the blaster could be made.

But apparently this site is full of campers who never use the full potential of the Shadow and don't see more capabilities possible with the PD of some sort.

So sit behind a wall and spam your ES, more power to you. Till it gets nerfed again.


Way to make a generalization about players because they don't condemn a power due to spamming like you and other elitests do. Because they don't play like YOU and elitests think they should because you own their game, right? As far as I'm concerned, you just discredited your opinion. This entire thread is just an elitest crying about a power they don't want other people to use. I see no reason to argue further.

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If I could vote for phase disruptor two times, I would do it... As an alternative I would accept a pistol that looks/works like a phase disruptor

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If I could vote for phase disruptor two times, I would do it... As an alternative I would accept a pistol that looks/works like a phase disruptor


Geth/Prothean Laser Pistol anyone? Single shot, very high damage, shot explodes on target, slow reload, mid weight = fun, but still balanced.

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I don't use ES and don't want PD either. The poll would be more accurate if it was just yes or no, instead putting words in your mouth when you vote. I wouldn't mind replacing ES with something else, but I'd rather have something I would actually use like Energy Drain.

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As a huge fan of the Slayer (it's my favorite character in my favorite class), I like that he has a completely unique power. I don't think I'd like PD on any other characters.


Y'know, looking at their character pictures, one would think that it was supposed to be a Shadow exclusive at some point. Anyway, if ES were replaced with Phase Disruptor (a modified version, possibly electrical. Perhaps it'd share the same relationship that ES/BS do), then his exclusive power would become Biotic Slash, which seems more fitting. Electric Slash makes no sens on the shadow, and just plain doesn't feel right. I mean, there's a wave of electricity coming out of the sword? At least BS is more believable, stemming from biotics and fits the agressive class style.

Plus, as I'm sure others have noted, what's the use in having a palm blaster if she doesn't plan on using it? If not phase disruptor, then what about the "hand of denial" shield thing the Phantoms have? That's be an awesome replacement.

OP, you've got my support. Now, where's that poll...?

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I don't use ES and don't want PD either. The poll would be more accurate if it was just yes or no, instead putting words in your mouth when you vote. I wouldn't mind replacing ES with something else, but I'd rather have something I would actually use like Energy Drain.


Phantom Palm Shield sound okay?

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As a huge fan of the Slayer (it's my favorite character in my favorite class), I like that he has a completely unique power. I don't think I'd like PD on any other characters.


Y'know, looking at their character pictures, one would think that it was supposed to be a Shadow exclusive at some point. Anyway, if ES were replaced with Phase Disruptor (a modified version, possibly electrical. Perhaps it'd share the same relationship that ES/BS do), then his exclusive power would become Biotic Slash, which seems more fitting. Electric Slash makes no sens on the shadow, and just plain doesn't feel right. I mean, there's a wave of electricity coming out of the sword? At least BS is more believable, stemming from biotics and fits the agressive class style.

Plus, as I'm sure others have noted, what's the use in having a palm blaster if she doesn't plan on using it? If not phase disruptor, then what about the "hand of denial" shield thing the Phantoms have? That's be an awesome replacement.

OP, you've got my support. Now, where's that poll...?


Finally someones gets it right. ;) Damn that took long. Link to the poll is on the first post. 

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oO Stryfe Oo wrote...

najzere wrote...
I don't use ES and don't want PD either. The poll would be more accurate if it was just yes or no, instead putting words in your mouth when you vote. I wouldn't mind replacing ES with something else, but I'd rather have something I would actually use like Energy Drain.

Phantom Palm Shield sound okay?

Hell yeah. Honestly I'd be happy with anything that could get me to spec differently than 6/0/6/6/6. B)

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DO NOT WANT.

Shadow is perfect as is: she's a caster Infiltrator, or as close to one as you can get... Shadow Strike and Electric Slash both do what I need them to. Electric Slash thins out spawns and groups too dangerous to Strike, Shadow Strike deals with everything else. Replacing Slash with a laggy, hard to aim, comparatively weak power would be a severe blow to the balance of the class.

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DO NOT WANT.

Shadow is perfect as is: she's a caster Infiltrator, or as close to one as you can get... Shadow Strike and Electric Slash both do what I need them to. Electric Slash thins out spawns and groups too dangerous to Strike, Shadow Strike deals with everything else. Replacing Slash with a laggy, hard to aim, comparatively weak power would be a severe blow to the balance of the class.


Who says PD can't do the same? And better? Do you play the Slayer? PD is awesome. 

And again no one said the Shadow has to have the same PD as the Slayer. 

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MacGarrus wrote...

DO NOT WANT.

Shadow is perfect as is: she's a caster Infiltrator, or as close to one as you can get... Shadow Strike and Electric Slash both do what I need them to. Electric Slash thins out spawns and groups too dangerous to Strike, Shadow Strike deals with everything else. Replacing Slash with a laggy, hard to aim, comparatively weak power would be a severe blow to the balance of the class.


Who says PD can't do the same? And better? Do you play the Slayer? PD is awesome. 

And again no one said the Shadow has to have the same PD as the Slayer. 


Ok, perhaps you should change how you are going at this. Saying some sort of Phase Disruptor would lead people to believe that what you mean IS PD. A power that drains  the users shields is not a good idea on an infiltrator that has trouble getting them as it is. SS's evolution to drain shields is not enough to counter that.

Just saying it doesn't have to be like Phase Disrupter in whatever way, but also saying you want the Shadow to have a Phase Disrupter is just silly. Be more specific. What would the difference be exactly? Be more precise or people will assume you mean what you said in your OP, as, we cannot read your mind.

If you've said it somewhere in your replies, it should be added to the OP because very very few people are going to sift through 7 pages of posts to see if you clairified somewhere..

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Air Quotes wrote...

MacGarrus wrote...

DO NOT WANT.

Shadow is perfect as is: she's a caster Infiltrator, or as close to one as you can get... Shadow Strike and Electric Slash both do what I need them to. Electric Slash thins out spawns and groups too dangerous to Strike, Shadow Strike deals with everything else. Replacing Slash with a laggy, hard to aim, comparatively weak power would be a severe blow to the balance of the class.


Who says PD can't do the same? And better? Do you play the Slayer? PD is awesome. 

And again no one said the Shadow has to have the same PD as the Slayer. 


Ok, perhaps you should change how you are going at this. Saying some sort of Phase Disruptor would lead people to believe that what you mean IS PD. A power that drains  the users shields is not a good idea on an infiltrator that has trouble getting them as it is. SS's evolution to drain shields is not enough to counter that.

Just saying it doesn't have to be like Phase Disrupter in whatever way, but also saying you want the Shadow to have a Phase Disrupter is just silly. Be more specific. What would the difference be exactly? Be more precise or people will assume you mean what you said in your OP, as, we cannot read your mind.

If you've said it somewhere in your replies, it should be added to the OP because very very few people are going to sift through 7 pages of posts to see if you clairified somewhere..


Okay. I want some sort of palm blaster thingy with CC and stagger to help set up SS. Faster than ES, with no dumb animations and sounds. 

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Air Quotes wrote...

Lord Rosario wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

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DO NOT WANT.

Shadow is perfect as is: she's a caster Infiltrator, or as close to one as you can get... Shadow Strike and Electric Slash both do what I need them to. Electric Slash thins out spawns and groups too dangerous to Strike, Shadow Strike deals with everything else. Replacing Slash with a laggy, hard to aim, comparatively weak power would be a severe blow to the balance of the class.


Who says PD can't do the same? And better? Do you play the Slayer? PD is awesome. 

And again no one said the Shadow has to have the same PD as the Slayer. 


Ok, perhaps you should change how you are going at this. Saying some sort of Phase Disruptor would lead people to believe that what you mean IS PD. A power that drains  the users shields is not a good idea on an infiltrator that has trouble getting them as it is. SS's evolution to drain shields is not enough to counter that.

Just saying it doesn't have to be like Phase Disrupter in whatever way, but also saying you want the Shadow to have a Phase Disrupter is just silly. Be more specific. What would the difference be exactly? Be more precise or people will assume you mean what you said in your OP, as, we cannot read your mind.

If you've said it somewhere in your replies, it should be added to the OP because very very few people are going to sift through 7 pages of posts to see if you clairified somewhere..


Okay. I want some sort of palm blaster thingy with CC and stagger to help set up SS. Faster than ES, with no dumb animations and sounds. 


Ahh, I think Energy Drain would suit that more. Drain shields first, maybe give a layer of protection, sets up for a tech burst, and stuns weaker targets. Overload would work similarly, but with better stun, can hit more targets, strip more shields, but wouldn't give a layer of armor or drain shields.

I can already imagine multiple builds that would work well off of ED for defense, and/or damage.

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Is it just me, or are Slayer BS spammers more common these days?

I'm all for this idea. I want something to shoot out of that palm cannon. Something techy that isn't tacky. Not sure Bioware will go for it though, because of the level of modification it calls for, but just in case they're feeling adventurous, I'm giving it my "Yes" vote.

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Lord Rosario wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

Lord Rosario wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

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DO NOT WANT.

Shadow is perfect as is: she's a caster Infiltrator, or as close to one as you can get... Shadow Strike and Electric Slash both do what I need them to. Electric Slash thins out spawns and groups too dangerous to Strike, Shadow Strike deals with everything else. Replacing Slash with a laggy, hard to aim, comparatively weak power would be a severe blow to the balance of the class.


Who says PD can't do the same? And better? Do you play the Slayer? PD is awesome. 

And again no one said the Shadow has to have the same PD as the Slayer. 


Ok, perhaps you should change how you are going at this. Saying some sort of Phase Disruptor would lead people to believe that what you mean IS PD. A power that drains  the users shields is not a good idea on an infiltrator that has trouble getting them as it is. SS's evolution to drain shields is not enough to counter that.

Just saying it doesn't have to be like Phase Disrupter in whatever way, but also saying you want the Shadow to have a Phase Disrupter is just silly. Be more specific. What would the difference be exactly? Be more precise or people will assume you mean what you said in your OP, as, we cannot read your mind.

If you've said it somewhere in your replies, it should be added to the OP because very very few people are going to sift through 7 pages of posts to see if you clairified somewhere..


Okay. I want some sort of palm blaster thingy with CC and stagger to help set up SS. Faster than ES, with no dumb animations and sounds. 


Ahh, I think Energy Drain would suit that more. Drain shields first, maybe give a layer of protection, sets up for a tech burst, and stuns weaker targets. Overload would work similarly, but with better stun, can hit more targets, strip more shields, but wouldn't give a layer of armor or drain shields.

I can already imagine multiple builds that would work well off of ED for defense, and/or damage.


ED is old, and It's been done already. 3 characters have it already. It's good, but I would like a palm blaster. Especially since the Shadow IS inspired by the Phantom and she ALREADY has a blaster in her palm. 

Plus ED would make the Drain evolution worhless. 

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Is it just me, or are Slayer BS spammers more common these days?

I'm all for this idea. I want something to shoot out of that palm cannon. Something techy that isn't tacky. Not sure Bioware will go for it though, because of the level of modification it calls for, but just in case they're feeling adventurous, I'm giving it my "Yes" vote.


I rarely see a Shadow or Slayer who don't spam ES or BS the WHOLE freaking time. Especially on smaller maps. 

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Uhh... it consumed barrier, as it is a biotic power. As the phantoms are biotic.
Plus, the Slayer is already a powerhouse at single-target damage, tech slash is useful as a situational power for clearing enemy clusters.
As an Infi, shields are simply too valuable. One should be in cloak the majority of the time, and while cloaked, shields do not regenerate.

If we were to propose a transfer between these two of any kind, I would say give the Slayer sword mastery and maybe he'd suck less. As it is, all of his potential is pivoted on Biotic Slash spam.


Wrong! you are just so wrong about the slayer. I don't even spec into BS it is just that BS.

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ah I'd rather ask for another character with SS without ES.
than change one already in the game.

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Drain evolution is already worthless in my opinion, I would rather kill shielded enemies in one hit than steal some of their shields. If I could change one thing about Shadow right now it would be to make the Electric Damage evolution of Shadow Strike detonate instead of prime tech bursts.

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Drain evolution is already worthless in my opinion, I would rather kill shielded enemies in one hit than steal some of their shields. If I could change one thing about Shadow right now it would be to make the Electric Damage evolution of Shadow Strike detonate instead of prime tech bursts.


Shield Drain worthless? You don't know what you're talking about. 

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I don't know about my own opinion? o_O

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I don't know about my own opinion? o_O


To have an opinion is fine. But to say that Shield Drain is worthless is a bit funny. It's just an ability that makes you much more survivable after SS. 

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Lord Rosario wrote...

100RenegadePoints wrote...

If I could vote for phase disruptor two times, I would do it... As an alternative I would accept a pistol that looks/works like a phase disruptor


Geth/Prothean Laser Pistol anyone? Single shot, very high damage, shot explodes on target, slow reload, mid weight = fun, but still balanced.


Sounds cool... or similar to the PPR, but with about 3 shots per clip medium ROF and the 3 shots recharge at medium speed