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If Phase Disruptor was added to Shadow it'd take some getting used to but it would most definitely work. Due to Phase Disruptor's ability to shoot three shots (only without getting hit) it can be more used as a defeinsive ability w/ risks rather than ES which is consistently used. It can overall detonate TBs much faster, and if used wisely can take out enemies much quicker.
If specced for shields/barriers, yes it would give you a lack of shields when using SS but that doesn't mean PD will hit every enemy and completely rip shields away. There's always some stray somewhere behind the pack and there's the wonderful use of TC to simply get away.
This would be highly effective with power cells and Stronghold Package to continuously use this ability or to use it more defensively and to consistently keep shields w/o TC or SS. It would be very viable around Gold and beyond in the right hands IMO of course.
Please Bioware, give Shadow a Phase Disruptor! (NOW WITH A POLL)
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Ninjas use crossbows and blowguns. Ninjas use smoke bombs to create confusion and the potential for misdirection. Ninjas act like soldiers when they can get away with it--historically, in popular conception, and in ME3. (Proximity Mine and Arc Grenades are fairly Soldierey powers.)Air Quotes wrote...
[Concussive Shot is] a power for soldiers, not for ninjas. It's just not right.
Moreover, the actual Phantom's palm blaster launches a zippy, high-damage, low-cooldown projectile at you. There are only two powers in the game that closely match that description: Phase Disruptor and Concussive Shot.
Phase Disruptor has more base damage and a larger radius, but it costs 1/3 of your shields to use it. ("It doesn't have to cost shields" is silly; if it doesn't drain your shields, it's not Phase Disruptor, but some new power you're making up as you go along--which is cool, but fairly misleading given the thread title and poll.) Its evolutions are also kind of boring.
Concussive Shot lacks the radius and damage of PD, but gets back a normal cooldown (and a potentially very fast one, to boot) instead of making you squishy. It also comes with fairly substantial force, which is what makes it a nice little crowd-control power. The Rank 6 evolutions are fairly attractive, which creates some interesting situations from a character-building standpoint: Amplification (once fixed) gives you lots of interesting options, but the Shredder evolution running on a Cloaked CS gives you a 900-damage power running on a 1.2-1.5s cooldown.
Anyway, I still think it's an interesting idea.
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I'll leave it alone after this post, but CS has two big problems. The first is that one of its evolutions (Amplification) is broken, and the other is that the classes that currently have it can't use it effectively. The Human and Turian Soldiers have really outstanding powers (Adrenaline Rush and Marksman, respectively) that provide a substantial disincentive to use other powers.Rebel_Raven wrote...
Considering the discontent towards Concussive shot, 'd rather not have my shadow saddled with it until it gets useful enough to the classes that already have it to not have so much beef with it.
The first problem will (please oh please) be fixed soon, and that alone is enough reason to want it on a Shadow. Amplification would allow her to expand her repertoire to include fire explosions as well as tech bursts; CS/Incendiary followed by Shadow Strike to kill the target sounds like a lot of fun to me.
And the second problem is a non-issue for the Shadow. It doesn't matter that CS is kind of situational: the Shadow's other powers are a toggled buff and a teleporty sword thing, and it's pretty obvious which situations call for the teleporty sword thing and which call for the ranged knockdown power. Furthermore, instead of the orthogonality of AR and MM, Tactical Cloak provides a very nice damage boost for CS.
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Off topic slightly but HS w/ Falcon and Disruptor ammo + C-shot = Profit.rmccowen wrote...
I'll leave it alone after this post, but CS has two big problems. The first is that one of its evolutions (Amplification) is broken, and the other is that the classes that currently have it can't use it effectively. The Human and Turian Soldiers have really outstanding powers (Adrenaline Rush and Marksman, respectively) that provide a substantial disincentive to use other powers.Rebel_Raven wrote...
Considering the discontent towards Concussive shot, 'd rather not have my shadow saddled with it until it gets useful enough to the classes that already have it to not have so much beef with it.
The first problem will (please oh please) be fixed soon, and that alone is enough reason to want it on a Shadow. Amplification would allow her to expand her repertoire to include fire explosions as well as tech bursts; CS/Incendiary followed by Shadow Strike to kill the target sounds like a lot of fun to me.
And the second problem is a non-issue for the Shadow. It doesn't matter that CS is kind of situational: the Shadow's other powers are a toggled buff and a teleporty sword thing, and it's pretty obvious which situations call for the teleporty sword thing and which call for the ranged knockdown power. Furthermore, instead of the orthogonality of AR and MM, Tactical Cloak provides a very nice damage boost for CS.
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Her face...... put the mask back on.
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and get rid of what ability?
electric slash is great. shadow strike is great....
cloak..... personaly dont use it much but she wont be an Infiltrator if she doesnt have it...
dont change her abilities... phase distruptor will only make her one step closer to being a Phantom... as cool as they are... I think the Shadow is cooler
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You can't possibly be serious? Are you high?
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The more I think about it the more CS makes so much sense.
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I'd like to see the phantom 'hand cannon'....
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PD sucks
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My thoughts exactly.
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oO Stryfe Oo wrote...
Mendelevosa wrote...
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PD sucks
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My thoughts exactly.
Yep me too...cracks me up everytime I see this clip
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I wouldn't mind having PD. Albeit people wouldn't like the change, due to being forced in a CQC environment, and shield drain issues. I can respect that.
Electric Slash has great damage, crowd-control abilites, short cooldown, and reach. The downside being the radius is small and the animation is a long wind-up (which can be mitigated.)
The current Phase Disruptor has good damage, crowd-control abilities, no cooldowns and infinite range! The downsides however is it destroys your shields/barriers and TOO spammable off-host.
We either make a new Shadow infiltrator, with a new power
, or we can tweak the power and add it to the shadow.Like...
PD consumes 30% or 25% of max shields, take away the effecient blast evolution, and replace it with something techy.
OR...
Phantom Hand Cannon: This unique wrist blaster replaces currently drawn weapon, for serious firepower.
Rank 1: gives the power... Damage: 600. Duration: 6.5 Seconds Recharge speed: 12 seconds
(The cooldown applies like a Vorcha flamers ability; press the button, and start shooting, the duration only lasts for 6.5 seconds, or until you cancel it. The power will holster the weapon, then start. Afterwards, it will unholster the weapon.)
Rank 2: Increase recharge speed by 20% RS: 9.6 seconds
Rank 3: Increase damage by 20% Damage: 720
Rank 4A: Explosive blast: Adds an explosive kick to the weapon (gives it AoE damage, staggers). Radius: 3M
Rank 4B: Nerve disruption: Each shot is packed with an electrical pulse, to incapacitate foes.
Rank 5A: Increase duration by 24% Duration: 8 seconds
Rank 5B: Increase movement speed while using the power by 20%
Rank 6A: Power Synergy: Gives the power a 40% chance of no cooldown activation
Rank 6B: Elemental synergy: Ammo consumables affect this power, but at 40% of the ammos effectiveness.
Something around these lines. She'd have the range and power of PD, the crowd control of ES and able to use through cloak. It would be a little OP, but it would be a fair compremise to ES users possibly. I'd be fine with this idea.
Anyway Air Quotes, you've got a fine thread here. I'll check back to see progress.
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Right now I'm seeing some minor tweaks to your idea, or mostly the negative no.
I wouldn't mind having PD. Albeit people wouldn't like the change, due to being forced in a CQC environment, and shield drain issues. I can respect that.
Electric Slash has great damage, crowd-control abilites, short cooldown, and reach. The downside being the radius is small and the animation is a long wind-up (which can be mitigated.)
The current Phase Disruptor has good damage, crowd-control abilities, no cooldowns and infinite range! The downsides however is it destroys your shields/barriers and TOO spammable off-host.
We either make a new Shadow infiltrator, with a new power
Like...
PD consumes 30% or 25% of max shields, take away the effecient blast evolution, and replace it with something techy.
OR...
Phantom Hand Cannon: This unique wrist blaster replaces currently drawn weapon, for serious firepower.
Rank 1: gives the power... Damage: 600. Duration: 6.5 Seconds Recharge speed: 12 seconds
(The cooldown applies like a Vorcha flamers ability; press the button, and start shooting, the duration only lasts for 6.5 seconds, or until you cancel it. The power will holster the weapon, then start. Afterwards, it will unholster the weapon.)
Rank 2: Increase recharge speed by 20% RS: 9.6 seconds
Rank 3: Increase damage by 20% Damage: 720
Rank 4A: Explosive blast: Adds an explosive kick to the weapon (gives it AoE damage, staggers). Radius: 3M
Rank 4B: Nerve disruption: Each shot is packed with an electrical pulse, to incapacitate foes.
Rank 5A: Increase duration by 24% Duration: 8 seconds
Rank 5B: Increase movement speed while using the power by 20%
Rank 6A: Power Synergy: Gives the power a 40% chance of no cooldown activation
Rank 6B: Elemental synergy: Ammo consumables affect this power, but at 40% of the ammos effectiveness.
Something around these lines. She'd have the range and power of PD, the crowd control of ES and able to use through cloak. It would be a little OP, but it would be a fair compremise to ES users possibly. I'd be fine with this idea.
Anyway Air Quotes, you've got a fine thread here. I'll check back to see progress.
This looks kinda nice
I said it before and I say it again - ES is disjointed from SS and Cloak. It's too slow and leaves you vulnerable to use it in the open, and too cheap and powerful when used behind walls. ES is too slow to help you set up SS and often too slow to help you escape after SS. PD could help you with both and give you the neccesary speed and CC. Plus it's way more fun than ES. You'd feel like a Phantom for once!
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Air Quotes wrote...
Shotgun Nova wrote...
Right now I'm seeing some minor tweaks to your idea, or mostly the negative no.
I wouldn't mind having PD. Albeit people wouldn't like the change, due to being forced in a CQC environment, and shield drain issues. I can respect that.
Electric Slash has great damage, crowd-control abilites, short cooldown, and reach. The downside being the radius is small and the animation is a long wind-up (which can be mitigated.)
The current Phase Disruptor has good damage, crowd-control abilities, no cooldowns and infinite range! The downsides however is it destroys your shields/barriers and TOO spammable off-host.
We either make a new Shadow infiltrator, with a new power
Like...
PD consumes 30% or 25% of max shields, take away the effecient blast evolution, and replace it with something techy.
OR...
Phantom Hand Cannon: This unique wrist blaster replaces currently drawn weapon, for serious firepower.
Rank 1: gives the power... Damage: 600. Duration: 6.5 Seconds Recharge speed: 12 seconds
(The cooldown applies like a Vorcha flamers ability; press the button, and start shooting, the duration only lasts for 6.5 seconds, or until you cancel it. The power will holster the weapon, then start. Afterwards, it will unholster the weapon.)
Rank 2: Increase recharge speed by 20% RS: 9.6 seconds
Rank 3: Increase damage by 20% Damage: 720
Rank 4A: Explosive blast: Adds an explosive kick to the weapon (gives it AoE damage, staggers). Radius: 3M
Rank 4B: Nerve disruption: Each shot is packed with an electrical pulse, to incapacitate foes.
Rank 5A: Increase duration by 24% Duration: 8 seconds
Rank 5B: Increase movement speed while using the power by 20%
Rank 6A: Power Synergy: Gives the power a 40% chance of no cooldown activation
Rank 6B: Elemental synergy: Ammo consumables affect this power, but at 40% of the ammos effectiveness.
Something around these lines. She'd have the range and power of PD, the crowd control of ES and able to use through cloak. It would be a little OP, but it would be a fair compremise to ES users possibly. I'd be fine with this idea.
Anyway Air Quotes, you've got a fine thread here. I'll check back to see progress.
This looks kinda nice
I said it before and I say it again - ES is disjointed from SS and Cloak. It's too slow and leaves you vulnerable to use it in the open, and too cheap and powerful when used behind walls. ES is too slow to help you set up SS and often too slow to help you escape after SS. PD could help you with both and give you the neccesary speed and CC. Plus it's way more fun than ES. You'd feel like a Phantom for once!
Well seems like my "Phantom Cannon" supports your arguement well. You know what they say... Great minds think alike! :happy:
And about ES... It's been getting on my nerves lately. Me and my friend were matched up with a "Wall-banging Slashtard" a while back. It wasn't fun and pretty. I've even been matched up with several myself. They're kind of pointless..
Other then that, I have nothing more to elaborate to this.
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Better yet... make the phantoms palm blaster draw from her barriers. Or her talk to the hand should draw from them too.
So her talk to the hand would put up a barrier... to draw from her barriers...
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