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[upsettingshorts]

I really do not care about being able to choose my character name for anything beyond save game management, and there are surely other ways to accomplish that.

It's one of the aspects of customization I would gladly give up if it meant other characters referred to them by first name, last name, or title, depending on which would be most appropriate in context and not determined solely by what is fixed.

I've advocated allowing us to pick middle names or something before, and just fixing names for male and female protagonists. I get some people, many of them in this thread, would object strongly to this, but there is no downside to me. It would only result in the perception of less freedom to create a character, not much in the way of actually reducing them. After all, people generally don't get to pick names that impart characterization on themselves in real life, I hardly see what someone is named ought to matter deeply when creating a character.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 28 septembre 2012 - 02:14 .

[hexaligned]

DeathRage, just because I have a friend who actually has that surname, I like to speculate she has some bad-ass berserker that her family got its namesake from.

[Palipride47]

Melca36 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

I've never met a woman named Drew or Quinn.

Drew Barrymore?



Quinn is Irish/Gaelic meaning *Counsel* 

Clever! fits with "naming people after characteristics" stuff.

I actually liked the concept of the last name being used. I'm not crazy about "Hawke", but it is certainly better than some other ones they could have come up with.

In that way, I liked how DA2 handled that stuff.

Bethany and Carver always called you "sister" or "brother" though (unavoidable and I don't care, just funny to point out), but at least my lover wasn't calling me "Champion" all the time. 
Besides, Anders doesn't get to know my first name until I learn his real name 

My names I would pick (French surnames): Caron or Charron, Moreau, Roche or  Roux. (Irish): Lane or Rinne

Modifié par Palipride47, 28 septembre 2012 - 02:53 .

[Wolfspawn]

Sir/Lady Schmoopenmeyer Winkleberger
Sir/Lady Winklemeyer Schmoopenberger
Sir/Lady Schmoopenberger Winklemeyer
Sir/Lady Winkleberger Schmoopenmeyer
or Bob...
regardless of gender.

[Shadow Fox]

Versus Omnibus wrote...

Maclimes wrote...

The name needs to be gender and racial neutral, since we can of course create protagonists of different gender/race combinations, RIGHT?

That's why I didn't like Hawke: it sounded too masculine for a female character.

It was her last name the default name is Marian.

[Lithuasil]

Swtor handled it pretty well imho, with different groups of npcs adressing you in different ways - (So for example the Divine would call you inquisitor, one of your subordinates would refer to you as Milord/milady etc)

Price goes to Morrowind though, where your ultimate title and true name are identical (At the cost of the story making zero sense if your PC is anything but a dunmer male).

[Palipride47]

Lithuasil wrote...

Swtor handled it pretty well imho, with different groups of npcs adressing you in different ways - (So for example the Divine would call you inquisitor, one of your subordinates would refer to you as Milord/milady etc)

Price goes to Morrowind though, where your ultimate title and true name are identical (At the cost of the story making zero sense if your PC is anything but a dunmer male).

It would be tricky if you were an elf or dwarf(the problem you were referring to from Morrowind- gosh that was AGES ago , where you don't fit your title), and people were referring to you as "milord" or "milady" (they wouldn't, propably "knife-ear" for elf) but I have a feeling we are all humans again.

They did that "milord" thing with Cousland/Aeducan origin, and it worked well. 

Modifié par Palipride47, 28 septembre 2012 - 03:34 .

[brushyourteeth]

filetemo wrote...

Inquisitor Lafleur pomdeterre

"Inquisitor The Flower Potato"?!?!?! 

[Sylvius the Mad]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

After all, people generally don't get to pick names that impart characterization on themselves in real life

Your mother named you "Upsettingshorts", did she?

[Plaintiff]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

After all, people generally don't get to pick names that impart characterization on themselves in real life

Your mother named you "Upsettingshorts", did she?

She was a cruel woman.

[LolaLei]

brushyourteeth wrote...

filetemo wrote...

Inquisitor Lafleur pomdeterre

"Inquisitor The Flower Potato"?!?!?! 

It's got a nice ring to it!

[Palipride47]

*delete*

Modifié par Palipride47, 28 septembre 2012 - 05:43 .

[Shadow Fox]

Plaintiff wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

After all, people generally don't get to pick names that impart characterization on themselves in real life

Your mother named you "Upsettingshorts", did she?

She was a cruel woman.

Totally heartless

[upsettingshorts]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

After all, people generally don't get to pick names that impart characterization on themselves in real life

Your mother named you "Upsettingshorts", did she?

Touche, but that's not quite what we're doing with the characters in the game.

Recall your argument about how Leliana can be different in any game of DAO? 

Why can't Steve Cousland be different in every game of DAO?  Does the name actually matter?

Plaintiff wrote...

She was a cruel woman.

Actually my dad was the one who introduced me to Mystery Science Theater 3000.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 28 septembre 2012 - 04:34 .

[Iosev]

I think it's cool how in some sports games (e.g., NBA 2K) the announcer will say your character's name if it's one of the names that are already on file in the game. Obviously, that would be much more difficult to do in a Dragon Age game, since more than one person will say the protagonist's name (as opposed to sports games, where the announcer will usually be the only one to say your name).

[What?]

I'd rather they just call the character the Inquisitor. Suggests a blanker slate to play with.

Modifié par VictorianTrash, 28 septembre 2012 - 05:16 .

[labargegrrrl]

ReggarBlane wrote...

It's in Orlais. Let's get a French surname: Lejoueur. Plain-and-simple and very to-the-point.

(Pronounced kinda like "l'zhoower".)

^this?  loving it!  :happy:

[Sylvius the Mad]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Touche, but that's not quite what we're doing with the characters in the game.

Recall your argument about how Leliana can be different in any game of DAO? 

Why can't Steve Cousland be different in every game of DAO?  Does the name actually matter?

It clearly does matter to some players.

With Leliana, we're not in control of her characterisation.  All the character development we see from Leliana is written by BioWare - the name suits her or doesn't, but either way that's built into the game.  The range of possible Lelianas is defined by BioWare - there's not just one Leliana, but the player doesn't have total freedom to make her anything at all.

But with the PC, the player does (or should) have that freedom.  Naming can help with that.  Honestly, just being able to modify the name that displays in the UI and on the character sheet would be enough for me, no matter how the NPCs address him.  I went to school with a guy who was called "Gus" by everyone who knew him (because of an unfortunate spelling error he had once made), though he never used it.

People grow into their names.  I didn't like my surname when I was younger (its unusual, but not interesting), but I've grown to like it.  If I hadnt, I likely would have changed it.

Also, there's a question of fun, here.  If the name simply irritates the player, he's not going to enjoy the game as much.  My girlfriend loathes the name Astrid (I think it's an awesome name - I named FemShep Astrid), so if she were forced to have her character called Astrid in a game I expect she would quit 30 seconds in.  It's a usability issue.

One of the standards by which I judge pretty much anything is whether it will let me be "Sylvius the Mad".  A major reason I don't use Facebook is because it fails that test.  Both Dragon Age games also failed the test, though they need not have.  Even with the fixed surnames, a longer given name could have been allowed.

[nightscrawl]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Or they could just not voice the last name.  NWN managed to avoid it in its spoken lines, even though the subtitles made use of it.

Voicing the last name is entirely unnecessary.  As such, forcing a fixed last name on us is entirely unnecessary.

WoW does the same thing with NPC quest dialogue. There will be a call for a character's race, class, or name, printed in the text, but the NPC says something like "you," or that part might be omitted entirely.

I don't care for it, really. It just seems so generic and only reminds me that I'm playing a game that millions of other people are playing, with their millions of other character variables. I thought DAO was great in that regard since everyone just called you Warden. In DA2 with the Hawke family, it just seems so odd to have Carver and Bethany with first names and your PC with the family name.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 28 septembre 2012 - 06:36 .

[esper]

nightscrawl wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Or they could just not voice the last name.  NWN managed to avoid it in its spoken lines, even though the subtitles made use of it.

Voicing the last name is entirely unnecessary.  As such, forcing a fixed last name on us is entirely unnecessary.

WoW does the same thing with NPC quest dialogue. There will be a call for a character's race, class, or name, printed in the text, but the NPC says something like "you," or that part might be omitted entirely.

I don't care for it, really. It just seems so generic and only reminds me that I'm playing a game that millions of other people are playing, with their millions of other character variables. I thought DAO was great in that regard since everyone just called you Warden. In DA2 with the Hawke family, it just seems so odd to have Carver and Bethany with first names and your PC with the family name.

Actually calling people by their last name can be a nickname like Junior or Sunshine. I have had friends who I never called their first name because their last name was just sort of what we called them.

[RedWulfi]

Or dont give them a last name. Just refer to them what they are. Like in DAO everyone called you Warden. I didnt mind that because it seemed professional.

[woj0404]

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Modifié par woj0404, 28 septembre 2012 - 06:56 .

[Versus Omnibus]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Versus Omnibus wrote...

Maclimes wrote...

The name needs to be gender and racial neutral, since we can of course create protagonists of different gender/race combinations, RIGHT?

That's why I didn't like Hawke: it sounded too masculine for a female character.

It was her last name the default name is Marian.

I know, but people kept calling her Hawke. Hearing a female character being called that just sounds odd to me. Maybe I'm just nitpicking.

But I still want to see if Bioware is open to a name voting contest as I asked earlier.

[cindercatz]

Kevin Lynch wrote...

The only difficulty with multiple last names is that they'd have to voice all those lines with each name. I don't think they'd do that. It's far more likely they'll stick to the single last name and allow us to customize the first name, as in past games.

God I hope not, as that would mean we'd have no origins, and that would mean my character would be just about as removed from my creative input as Hawke was, and that would mean I'd be just about as disappointed as I was in DA2.


No, make sure there are origins, and then just record less lines that use the character's name. I assume the character's got some kind of title like the Warden, right? So use that title except with personal familiars, and then have less name dropping lines as part of that.

Let us choose a first name and give each origin a last name, then you can voice both the first and last name, and the title at different times, more title voiced lines than family name lines, and more family name lines than first name lines. That way we can have more natural dialogue and be addressed by our specific character names on different playthroughs. You don't need a character saying our name every five minutes. That doesn't happen in the real world anyway. You don't call somebody's name everytime you greet them.

Honestly, I like having a voiced name (not so much a voiced family name, found that very odd with the siblings and the love interests, kind of like it got odd with Shepard too, but much moreso), but I'd rather have no name than a single one that precludes truly divergent origins.

[Parmida]

AndrahilAdrian wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

Jordan

Morgan

Payton

Drew


Quinn


The above names are unisex names that can fit either a male or female character

A fixed unisex first name sounds good. I do not want everyone calling them by their last name (its becoming a Bioware cliche). Quinn would be my personal pick, it sounds like a good name for a rogue (may even use it if they let us pick our first name). A nickname would work well too, although nothing so  impersonal as "warden". At first I thought "Hawke" was going to be a nickname, and I liked the idea.

Yeah, I prefer a fixed first name to the fixed last name, it's so much better in conversations with your companions and LI.
I mean it's weird to hear your LI or friend call you with your last name.
And for formal situations they can just use the title in that conversation.
And I like the Morgan name so much, it's fitting for both female and male and sounds good.