I was wondering, what are the limits when it comes to the Grey Wardens Rite of Conscription?
I know that the Rite was not allowed in Ferelden for a time but does every nation in Thedas allow it? And if they do is it to the same degree? Would it be possible for a Grey Warden to conscript a Kossith from the Qunari or anyone from the Qunari for that matter?
Rite of Conscription limits
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Jagaro
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Posté 27 septembre 2012 - 10:48
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What are you talking about? It IS allowed in Ferelden. That's how the City Elf Warden gets recruited.
The Grey Wardens have an agreement with the crowns of the countries they operate in. They likely don't have any such agreement with the qunari.
The Grey Wardens have an agreement with the crowns of the countries they operate in. They likely don't have any such agreement with the qunari.
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Posté 27 septembre 2012 - 10:49
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The grey wardens can conscript anyone Dwarf, elven or human from lowly commoner to royal prince/king.Tho they can conscript these people, it is not always without its consequences such as resources from certain noble houses withdrawn and more political pressure to contend with.
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Posté 27 septembre 2012 - 10:50
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The limits are essentially the political blowback that their not willing to face versus what they'll risk.
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Posté 27 septembre 2012 - 10:52
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Yeah, I don't think Qunari would adhere to the rite, as I don't think they ever made any agreements with the Wardens. I'm curious what the Qun would say about those leaving their position to become a Grey Warden.
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Posté 27 septembre 2012 - 10:55
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I think it would be premitted in places that have, and respect, Grey Wardens.
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Posté 27 septembre 2012 - 11:04
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thats1evildude wrote...
What are you talking about? It IS allowed in Ferelden. That's how the City Elf Warden gets recruited.
The Grey Wardens have an agreement with the crowns of the countries they operate in. They likely don't have any such agreement with the qunari.
By the events of the Dragon Age: Origins, yes the Rite was in place but for a time before (can't recall when and how long before) they were not allowed the Rite since there was an attempted rebellion by the Wardens to overthrow the throne in Ferelden.
Sorry if I wasn't clear.
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Posté 27 septembre 2012 - 11:07
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The only limitation is the political fallout.
Conscript a King, for instance, you're putting yourself in a very uncomfortable position. While it's totally legal and perfectly viable in the eyes of the law surrounding the Rite of Conscription.... It's going to get people mad.
Conscript a King, for instance, you're putting yourself in a very uncomfortable position. While it's totally legal and perfectly viable in the eyes of the law surrounding the Rite of Conscription.... It's going to get people mad.
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Posté 27 septembre 2012 - 11:07
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It's a Right not a Rite.
I can't see the Qunari agreeing to it.
I can't see the Qunari agreeing to it.
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Posté 27 septembre 2012 - 11:09
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If I recall correctly, which I likely don't, they weren't allowed in Ferelden altogether, which is the reason they couldn't invoke the right. They weren't there to do it.Jagaro wrote...
thats1evildude wrote...
What are you talking about? It IS allowed in Ferelden. That's how the City Elf Warden gets recruited.
The Grey Wardens have an agreement with the crowns of the countries they operate in. They likely don't have any such agreement with the qunari.
By the events of the Dragon Age: Origins, yes the Rite was in place but for a time before (can't recall when and how long before) they were not allowed the Rite since there was an attempted rebellion by the Wardens to overthrow the throne in Ferelden.
Sorry if I wasn't clear.
As for Qunari, I doubt the Qunari would respect such a right and overreact in response, hence political blowback that the Grey Wardens would likely not want to see.
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Posté 27 septembre 2012 - 11:09
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And a lot of people still arent thrilled at them being invited back in.Jagaro wrote...
thats1evildude wrote...
What are you talking about? It IS allowed in Ferelden. That's how the City Elf Warden gets recruited.
The Grey Wardens have an agreement with the crowns of the countries they operate in. They likely don't have any such agreement with the qunari.
By the events of the Dragon Age: Origins, yes the Rite was in place but for a time before (can't recall when and how long before) they were not allowed the Rite since there was an attempted rebellion by the Wardens to overthrow the throne in Ferelden.
Sorry if I wasn't clear.
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Posté 27 septembre 2012 - 11:12
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Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...
And a lot of people still arent thrilled at them being invited back in.
Well, they weren't before the Wardens saved the Kingdom
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Posté 27 septembre 2012 - 11:18
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Wulfram wrote...
Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...
And a lot of people still arent thrilled at them being invited back in.
Well, they weren't before the Wardens saved the Kingdom
It's kind of a shame you couldn't be more anti Wardens, especially if you were conscripted against your will. Would have been interesting how the public opinion of them and the Hero of Ferelden would have been affected.
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Posté 04 juin 2013 - 04:41
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Honestly, I would not be surprised if the Qunari and the Wardens made some sort of deal, considering that the Darkspawn have some Broodmothers made from Qunari females. They might even consider the broodmothers to be a type of Tal-Vashoth. The Qunari might also see the Darkspawn as a threat. It only makes sense they would have some assigned to become grey wardens.
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Posté 04 juin 2013 - 04:49
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The Right of Conscription and the mindset behind the Gery Wardens was always interesting to me. You are abducting someone and ending their life because you feel that the threat is too great. Grey Wardens are expected to do what needs to be done to save the world. This is why I thought the Anvil of the Void was really interesting. There are many similarities between creating the golems and creating Grey Wardens.
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Posté 04 juin 2013 - 04:52
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Interesting question! As regards limitations I believe, canonically, the Wardens are allowed only one mage from each Circle of Magi.
For my part I'd be interested in seeing if "conscripting" every slave in the Tevinter Imperium...and then letting them go...was technically allowable as well.
For my part I'd be interested in seeing if "conscripting" every slave in the Tevinter Imperium...and then letting them go...was technically allowable as well.
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Posté 04 juin 2013 - 04:56
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WardenWade wrote...
For my part I'd be interested in seeing if "conscripting" every slave in the Tevinter Imperium...and then letting them go...was allowable as well.
They'd be kicked out in two seconds flat. The agreements are only as strong as the paper they're written on.
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Posté 04 juin 2013 - 05:25
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The whole recruitment of Grey Wardens in numbers is foolish to the extreme and a massive waste of quality resources.
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Posté 04 juin 2013 - 06:30
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Herr Uhl wrote...
WardenWade wrote...
For my part I'd be interested in seeing if "conscripting" every slave in the Tevinter Imperium...and then letting them go...was allowable as well.
They'd be kicked out in two seconds flat. The agreements are only as strong as the paper they're written on.
I think it's more likely the slaves would be recaptured, since they were let go under false pretenses, and that Warden would be quietly encouraged to transfer to another post (at best). The people who everyone blames for the Blight wouldn't antagonize the Wardens, but they're powerful enough that the Wardens wouldn't antagonize them.
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Posté 04 juin 2013 - 06:47
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wardens wouldn't do it . they are neutral while they may not personally like it they wouldn't or couldn't do anything about it.WardenWade wrote...
Interesting question! As regards limitations I believe, canonically, the Wardens are allowed only one mage from each Circle of Magi.
For my part I'd be interested in seeing if "conscripting" every slave in the Tevinter Imperium...and then letting them go...was technically allowable as well.
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Posté 04 juin 2013 - 07:10
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EDIT:
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These are good points! I like considering it in a "crazy like a fox"/"so crazy it just might work" kind of a way
^^^^^^ & vvvvvvv...
These are good points! I like considering it in a "crazy like a fox"/"so crazy it just might work" kind of a way
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Posté 04 juin 2013 - 07:10
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1)Wardens can't conscript every person what they wanted and as you see they have many limits.WardenWade wrote...
For my part I'd be interested in seeing if "conscripting" every slave in the Tevinter Imperium...and then letting them go...was technically allowable as well.
2)Wardens cant conscript Tevinter slaves because according to Tevinter law they are not free peoples and belongs to someone
(legal slaves in Tevinter are descendans of ancient slaves, or those poor peoples who sold themeselfs into slavery and all their childrens would be slaves(they will not if they born as mages) until they would be released by their Magister and become Liberati.....those slaves what we see in Ferelden and Kirkwall are illegal and would be sold on black market, if those slavers what we see in DA 1-2 will be caught in Tevinter with illegal slaves they would be exetuted)
...Grey Wardens maybe can conscript some of them only if they would be executed and Magister allow Grey Warden to conscript his slave
3)Grey Wardens have good relationship with Tevinter Empire and Dwarven Kingdoms they are main allies of Grey Wardens so you can understand that Grey Wardens will never do somethink what can undermine their relationship.
PS. Grey Wardens technically can conscript hundreds of Castless MALE dwarfs who live in Orzammar Dust Town if they not have crimes
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Posté 04 juin 2013 - 09:31
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Dark Korsar wrote...
2)Wardens cant conscript Tevinter slaves because according to Tevinter law they are not free peoples and belongs to someone
Is that down in the lore? If so, where?
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Posté 04 juin 2013 - 09:46
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slaves are sold themselfs to Magisters "forever" with their descendants so only Magisters themselfs can free and give their own slaves to Wardens...this is not the same as with free peoples of other Kingdoms who serve only to ruler of the kingdom and some high nobles, and still Grey Wardens cant force conscription if the person was not criminal who can be executedRiverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
Dark Korsar wrote...
2)Wardens cant conscript Tevinter slaves because according to Tevinter law they are not free peoples and belongs to someone
Is that down in the lore? If so, where?
conscription of slave it's like taking a bunch of Magister gold coins or other exensive stuff for free
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Posté 04 juin 2013 - 09:58
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The technical limitation is that there isn't one, at least among humans, dwarves, and elves. Theoretically, the Wardens can conscript anyone they want to. The Divine? Conscriptable.
In practice, however, the Wardens cannot conscript anyone who would lead to a political situation that would be disadvantageous for them. Particularly just before the Fifth Blight; the general consensus at that time is that the Blights are over, the Darkspawn are gone, and the Wardens are an unneeded relic. Abusing the Right could have had serious repercussions for the Wardens.
It's entirely possible this is still the case in many areas of Thedas other than Ferelden, in fact. In DA2, people in the Hanged Man discuss the idea that the fifth Blight wasn't a Blight at all - too short, not enough destruction, couldn't have been a Blight! I'm sure they aren't the only ones to think so.
In practice, however, the Wardens cannot conscript anyone who would lead to a political situation that would be disadvantageous for them. Particularly just before the Fifth Blight; the general consensus at that time is that the Blights are over, the Darkspawn are gone, and the Wardens are an unneeded relic. Abusing the Right could have had serious repercussions for the Wardens.
It's entirely possible this is still the case in many areas of Thedas other than Ferelden, in fact. In DA2, people in the Hanged Man discuss the idea that the fifth Blight wasn't a Blight at all - too short, not enough destruction, couldn't have been a Blight! I'm sure they aren't the only ones to think so.
