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[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Dark Korsar wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Dark Korsar wrote...

2)Wardens cant conscript Tevinter slaves because according to Tevinter law they are not free peoples and belongs to someone

Is that down in the lore? If so, where?

slaves are sold themselfs to Magisters "forever" with their descendants so only Magisters themselfs can free and give their own slaves to Wardens...this is not the same as with free peoples of other Kingdoms who serve only to ruler of the kingdom and some high nobles, and still Grey Wardens cant force conscription if the person was not criminal who can be executed

conscription of slave it's like taking a bunch of Magister gold coins or other exensive stuff for free

Where does it say that a slave's master's rights legally supercede Conscription? Everything I'd ever heard says that Conscription legally supercedes everything, and that while a Warden is always wise to consider the consequences there is no legal way to block a Conscription. (You are wrong, btw, to say that a Grey Warden can only conscript criminals on death row. Simply, flatly wrong.)

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 04 juin 2013 - 10:43 .

[Lavaeolus]

In theory, there's no actual limit to who or what they can recruit. Slaves, prisoners, freemen... there's some indication they're only allowed one mage at a time, but I'm not sure on the specifics. If they wanted to, they could walk up to the Empress of Orlais and go "You're a Grey Warden now. Yo." The Divine, even.

But if they actually tried randomly recruiting such people, they'd just go "No", and the Wardens would suffer major blowback -- they could even lose the Right. They could probably attempt to recruit Qunari, but the Qunari would likely not recognise it. The Right's not going to be in the Qun, after all. Even if the law of the land is on the Wardens' side, there won't be much point.

But anyone inducted in the Right, or indeed anyone at all, is -- once a Warden -- a Warden for life. They take in the taint, they fight darkspawn, and they hope they live long enough to successfully die during the Calling. Anders goes on the run, and he's worried that both the Circle and the Wardens are going to try and force him back one day. No "conscripting" slaves and then releasing them.

Modifié par Mr Maniac, 04 juin 2013 - 11:04 .

[Herr Uhl]

Mr Maniac wrote...

But if they actually tried randomly recruiting such people, they'd just go "No", and the Wardens would suffer major blowback -- they could even lose the Right. They could probably attempt to recruit Qunari, but the Qunari would likely not recognise it. The Right's not going to be in the Qun, after all. Even if the law of the land is on the Wardens' side, there won't be much point.

The Qunari have no agreement with the Grey Wardens. I'm not sure how the "law of the land" would be on their side.

[Nightdragon8]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Mr Maniac wrote...

But if they actually tried randomly recruiting such people, they'd just go "No", and the Wardens would suffer major blowback -- they could even lose the Right. They could probably attempt to recruit Qunari, but the Qunari would likely not recognise it. The Right's not going to be in the Qun, after all. Even if the law of the land is on the Wardens' side, there won't be much point.

The Qunari have no agreement with the Grey Wardens. I'm not sure how the "law of the land" would be on their side.

I think if the Qun knew what the Grey Wardens "have" to do , as in order to kill the archdemon they have to get tained with the blood, They woudl either set out to kill all grey wardens or understand and agree with the need. They aren't unreasonable. If it requires blood magic to kill them, they will use blood magic to do so. Tho I dont think they would let any live past the blight.

[Lavaeolus]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Mr Maniac wrote...

But if they actually tried randomly recruiting such people, they'd just go "No", and the Wardens would suffer major blowback -- they could even lose the Right. They could probably attempt to recruit Qunari, but the Qunari would likely not recognise it. The Right's not going to be in the Qun, after all. Even if the law of the land is on the Wardens' side, there won't be much point.

The Qunari have no agreement with the Grey Wardens. I'm not sure how the "law of the land" would be on their side.

I meant if a Qunari member found themselves in Ferelden, for instance. When in Par Vollen, the Wardens can go **** themselves concerning the Right.

[garrusfan1]

thats1evildude wrote...

What are you talking about? It IS allowed in Ferelden. That's how the City Elf Warden gets recruited.

The Grey Wardens have an agreement with the crowns of the countries they operate in. They likely don't have any such agreement with the qunari.

he meant they didn't have it for a while while they were banished from ferelden

[The Spirit of Dance]

It only applies to races, kingdoms etc. that have a treaty with the grey wardens. Since the Qunari have only heard stories of the Wardens from the other races I don't believe that they hold a treaty with them.

[IanPolaris]

supremebloodwolf wrote...

It only applies to races, kingdoms etc. that have a treaty with the grey wardens. Since the Qunari have only heard stories of the Wardens from the other races I don't believe that they hold a treaty with them.

Pre-Fifth Blight I'd agree, but after Sten's report to the Arishok, and given that the blight concerns everyone, I think the Qun Triad would see the necessity of the Wardens within the Qun, and come up with a treaty arrangement of their own with them.

Given how Sten worked out, I suspect that it likely would involve those selected by the Ben Hasseth, or perhaps even those that have voided their place within the Qun according to the Ben Hasseth.  Being sent to the Wardens might well be considered the equivalent of execution according to the Qunari.  I am speculating, but Sten seemed to think being recruited into the Wardens to be equivalent to being executed when it comes to 'paying' for their crime.

-Polaris

[Beerfish]

We all know how much treaties and agreements mean to the Qunari.

The one thing that could affect the Qunari in this regard is Sten and his part in the DAO. He probably has a lot of good to say about the Grey Wardens and about the threat that the Blight is.

[IanPolaris]

Beerfish wrote...

We all know how much treaties and agreements mean to the Qunari.

The one thing that could affect the Qunari in this regard is Sten and his part in the DAO. He probably has a lot of good to say about the Grey Wardens and about the threat that the Blight is.

The Qunari are actually very honest.  They will honor a deal as long as it's in the interest of the Qun.  Keeping the blight at bay is in the interest of the Qun (post Sten's report) so I don't think the Qunari would break any agreement with the Wardens they might make.  What that agreement might be, I can only speculate.

-Polaris

[Lavaeolus]

IanPolaris wrote...

Pre-Fifth Blight I'd agree, but after Sten's report to the Arishok, and given that the blight concerns everyone, I think the Qun Triad would see the necessity of the Wardens within the Qun, and come up with a treaty arrangement of their own with them.

They might come up with treaties, but I doubt they'd give them the Right. They mightn't agree with giving females, for instance, or merchants a role with the Wardens -- it's not their role in society after all, what would be the point? They might give certain warriors to them, but they might view themselves as "warriors assigned to help the Wardens" rather than "Wardens". No changing role and all that.

As the general ways of the Wardens probably go against the Qun, that might cause some tension. Though, since the Wardens do solely focus on the darkspawn threat, there'd be some understanding from them, enough for some respect -- so I could see them "tolerating" the Wardens' ways for the sake of stopping the Blight.

Modifié par Mr Maniac, 05 juin 2013 - 05:28 .

[Fallstar]

There are none theoretically. In practice it's not like a Warden could walk up to the divine and conscript her. The guards would probably just throw the Warden in question out and ignore him/her.

Modifié par DuskWarden, 05 juin 2013 - 05:31 .

[Beerfish]

IanPolaris wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

We all know how much treaties and agreements mean to the Qunari.

The one thing that could affect the Qunari in this regard is Sten and his part in the DAO. He probably has a lot of good to say about the Grey Wardens and about the threat that the Blight is.

The Qunari are actually very honest.  They will honor a deal as long as it's in the interest of the Qun.  Keeping the blight at bay is in the interest of the Qun (post Sten's report) so I don't think the Qunari would break any agreement with the Wardens they might make.  What that agreement might be, I can only speculate.

-Polaris

That is not being honest at all in the least.  If you make an agreement and things change you stick to the agreement, that is honest, not hey we have an agreement, a week later...naw not in my best interest we don;t follow the agreement any more.

[IanPolaris]

Beerfish wrote...

That is not being honest at all in the least.  If you make an agreement and things change you stick to the agreement, that is honest, not hey we have an agreement, a week later...naw not in my best interest we don;t follow the agreement any more.

I disagree.  The Qunari will outright tell you that they only honor deals while it's in the interests of the Qun.  If you make the deal anyway.....

-Polaris

[TK514]

I don't believe the Qunari would have any problems with the Grey Wardens. In fact, I think the single-mindedness of the Warden Mandate would be right at home within the Duty and Role oriented Qun. The Wardens know exactly who they are and what they are meant to do, and they pay the Ultimate price to do it, sooner or later. And while the Qunari would regret, as much as Qunari are capable of such, the necessary rite to create a Warden, they would accept it as the demand of the Qun. I certainly don't see them executing all Qunari Wardens between Blights. If they were inclined to that sort of action, there would be no Sarebaas, because they'd just execute the magically inclined as soon as they came into their power.

I can honestly see the Antaam creating a new Role, like Arvaraad, to encompass a group of Qunari Warden analogs and assigning people to that Role the way they do any other. That some, even most, die during the Joining, is simply the Demand of the Qun.

I also wouldn't expect Qunari Wardens to fall out of favor between Blights the way the Grey Wardens do. Since the Role would be assigned, recruitment would be steady (randomness of the Joining notwithstanding), and I imagine they would simply shift operations from defending the surface to aggressively cleansing the Deep Roads.

[IanPolaris]

TK514 wrote...

I don't believe the Qunari would have any problems with the Grey Wardens. In fact, I think the single-mindedness of the Warden Mandate would be right at home within the Duty and Role oriented Qun. The Wardens know exactly who they are and what they are meant to do, and they pay the Ultimate price to do it, sooner or later. And while the Qunari would regret, as much as Qunari are capable of such, the necessary rite to create a Warden, they would accept it as the demand of the Qun. I certainly don't see them executing all Qunari Wardens between Blights. If they were inclined to that sort of action, there would be no Sarebaas, because they'd just execute the magically inclined as soon as they came into their power.

I can honestly see the Antaam creating a new Role, like Arvaraad, to encompass a group of Qunari Warden analogs and assigning people to that Role the way they do any other. That some, even most, die during the Joining, is simply the Demand of the Qun.

I also wouldn't expect Qunari Wardens to fall out of favor between Blights the way the Grey Wardens do. Since the Role would be assigned, recruitment would be steady (randomness of the Joining notwithstanding), and I imagine they would simply shift operations from defending the surface to aggressively cleansing the Deep Roads.

If it happens this way (which I also see), then I can readily see the antaam declaring that all Grey Wardens are members of the Qun in this particular role whether the individual fully realizes it or not (in much the same way that all Grey Wardens are considered honorary members of the nobility in Orzammar).

-Polaris