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Should Pro-templar Inquisitors be able to invoke the rite of tranquility?


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Considering there's open war I think we've hit last resort territory. There's no way to hold a mage POW because no matter how many Templars you have sapping their mana all they have to do is cut themselves (not terribly difficult even without tools) to use their magic, and there's not a whole lot that can be done. I suppose you could keep them sedated but then you're keeping them in the Fade and they might just make a deal with a demon. So Tranquility is the only real way to hold them prisoner.


There are runes that render the workings of magic impossible, as the Mage Origin demonstrates with the Mage PC's inability to use any type of magic on the doors in the basement.

Whether that would affect blood magic, however, I don't know. Probably not.

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The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
There are runes that render the workings of magic impossible, as the Mage Origin demonstrates with the Mage PC's inability to use any type of magic on the doors in the basement.

Whether that would affect blood magic, however, I don't know. Probably not.


There's always the Litany of Adralla used in DA:O, though that only blocks certain elements of blood magic.  Then again, it blocks the most dangerous elements of mind control and demonic possession.  A blood mage under the effects of the Litany could probably still cause a lot of pain and trouble, but might not be able to overpower more than a few templars.

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Xilizhra wrote...

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The only mercy mages deserve.


I hope that you'll have that option in DA3. And good luck on facing the Qunari invasion in the future.

Would the Grey Wardens and the Qunari fight each other if the above happens?


Maybe.
If I were the First Warden, I would've tried to talk with the Triumvirate about the darskspawn long ago. I think that the Qunari would've sent some of them to fulfill a new role, the Warden role. The Blight is threat to everyone. It would be the only thing that will 100% stop the mage-templar war (not that I'm hoping that this should happen. It'd be boring).

It's unfortunate that the Deep Roads probably don't extend under Par Vollen. Otherwise... it could be a bit of an advantage if the next Archdemon just so happened to pop up there, in an enemy nation without Grey Wardens.


They can dig can't they.

I assume anyway. 

I would like to see that the two greatest evils in the Thedas fighting to the Death. 

The Mage-Templar thing is only driven by D$*&s on both sides with both being wrong.

Xilizhra you say that the Chantry shouldn't be in charge but what other pan-national organisations are there? 

Thedas isn't like the word we live in today, it is most similar to the 11th-14th Century Europe where the only pan-national government was the Church. Thedas has the Gray Wardens but would they be willing to watch the mages would the kings/princes/whatever trust them?  

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Ausstig wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

The only mercy mages deserve.


I hope that you'll have that option in DA3. And good luck on facing the Qunari invasion in the future.

Would the Grey Wardens and the Qunari fight each other if the above happens?


Maybe.
If I were the First Warden, I would've tried to talk with the Triumvirate about the darskspawn long ago. I think that the Qunari would've sent some of them to fulfill a new role, the Warden role. The Blight is threat to everyone. It would be the only thing that will 100% stop the mage-templar war (not that I'm hoping that this should happen. It'd be boring).

It's unfortunate that the Deep Roads probably don't extend under Par Vollen. Otherwise... it could be a bit of an advantage if the next Archdemon just so happened to pop up there, in an enemy nation without Grey Wardens.


They can dig can't they.

I assume anyway. 

I would like to see that the two greatest evils in the Thedas fighting to the Death. 

The Mage-Templar thing is only driven by D$*&s on both sides with both being wrong.

Xilizhra you say that the Chantry shouldn't be in charge but what other pan-national organisations are there? 

Thedas isn't like the word we live in today, it is most similar to the 11th-14th Century Europe where the only pan-national government was the Church. Thedas has the Gray Wardens but would they be willing to watch the mages would the kings/princes/whatever trust them?  


Any mage sympathizer is undoubtedly under the mind control of a blood mage and should be removed from power immediately should they be prince/princess/king/queen or any other political office with power. <_<

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I think that could be an amazing choice if they do give us that option. After all Dragon Age is a dark fantasy tale why not add hard hitting options like this?

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The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Considering there's open war I think we've hit last resort territory. There's no way to hold a mage POW because no matter how many Templars you have sapping their mana all they have to do is cut themselves (not terribly difficult even without tools) to use their magic, and there's not a whole lot that can be done. I suppose you could keep them sedated but then you're keeping them in the Fade and they might just make a deal with a demon. So Tranquility is the only real way to hold them prisoner.


There are runes that render the workings of magic impossible, as the Mage Origin demonstrates with the Mage PC's inability to use any type of magic on the doors in the basement.

Whether that would affect blood magic, however, I don't know. Probably not.


Though now that I think about it Aeonar would probably have some means of keeping blood mages in check, unless they just kill them rather than send them to prison.

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Though now that I think about it Aeonar would probably have some means of keeping blood mages in check, unless they just kill them rather than send them to prison.


According to the codex the Aeonar is "spiritually damaged" and part of the reason why blood mages are sent there is because the guilty tend to attract the attention of nasty monsters across the damaged Veil.  So the logic seems to be, toss 'em in, see who gets possessed, then kill the possessed.

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Regarding what happened pages ago, arguing about Quentin going as far as he did and trying to blame it on the Mages -- or even just Orsino -- is quite possibly one of the most absurd things ever, as the blame for him going as far as he did rests squarely on the shoulders of the Templars, City Guard, and partially on Hawke for incompetence.

Also, what Xilizhra said on the issue on page 8 about Orsino trying to stop Quentin on his own terms, as it's a sentiment I believe as well.

Even Cullen acknowledges that the Templars are to blame for Quentin going as far as he did.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 29 septembre 2012 - 12:32 .


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The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Regarding what happened pages ago, arguing about Quentin going as far as he did and trying to blame it on the Mages -- or even just Orsino -- is quite possibly one of the most absurd things ever, as the blame for him going as far as he did rests squarely on the shoulders of the Templars, City Guard, and partially on Hawke for incompetence.

Also, what Xilizhra said on the issue on page 8 about Orsino trying to stop Quentin on his own terms, as it's a sentiment I believe as well.

Even Cullen acknowledges that the Templars are to blame for Quentin going as far as he did.

So no blame at all lies with the man who KNEW what was going on, and had full authority to report and even stop it. Yet all blame lies with people ignorant of the events even happening? Sorry, but that just doesn't hold water. Sure, blame the Templars and City Guard all you want, but blame Orsino as well. His excuses for not reporting was just that, excuses, and he is equally to blame at the very least.

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The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Regarding what happened pages ago, arguing about Quentin going as far as he did and trying to blame it on the Mages -- or even just Orsino -- is quite possibly one of the most absurd things ever, as the blame for him going as far as he did rests squarely on the shoulders of the Templars, City Guard, and partially on Hawke for incompetence.

Also, what Xilizhra said on the issue on page 8 about Orsino trying to stop Quentin on his own terms, as it's a sentiment I believe as well.

Even Cullen acknowledges that the Templars are to blame for Quentin going as far as he did.


Others share the blame for not discovering him sooner. Orsino, however, didn't have to discover him - he knew.

There's even that letter from Orsino in Quentin's lair that's all "Oh, here's those forbidden tomes you asked for. Let me know how your fascinating research turns out!"

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And he couldn't go to Meredith or any Templars with that information, because they had intentionally created a hostile environment where Mages and Templars could not work together.

The Templars are a military order, and even had Orsino gone to someone like Cullen or Thrask, they would be bound by duty to relay such information to their superiors. And as we all know, Meredith had acquired the broken idol -- which is far more potent then when it was intact -- from Bartrand during Act II.

Add into that the rumors swirling around of her being a bit mad as early as Act 2, and I surmise that she would've called the RoA down on them immediately because she was already lost to the idol.

It's the Templars' responsibility to hunt down malicious maleficarum, not the Mages. And they had information on a maleficar being present as early as Act 1, yet actually didn't investigate.

The Templars are at fault, and by extension Hawke and the City Guard, for their incompetence and failure to perform their duty.

We don't know how old that letter is, but I judge by Orsino's proclamations that he found the Harvester notes to be "too evil" and put them aside that he wasn't supporting that. I also surmise that he's fine with being an academic blood mage but not a practitioner -- akin to Adralla, a former Tevinter Magister who studied the academics of blood magic but never practiced it.

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So no blame at all lies with the man who KNEW what was going on, and had full authority to report and even stop it.


We don't know that Orsino didn't try to stop it. Only that he didn't want the Templars involved in trying to stop it, because he couldn't trust them.

And rightfully so, I might add. Considering the Templars of Kirkwall are 95% Alriks, Merediths, and Karrases and 5% Thrasks, Cullens, and Kerans.

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Even if Orsino felt he couldn't do anything to stop Quentin, he could have, you know, NOT assisted him in his research by sending him forbidden necromancy tomes.

He's an accomplice. Period.

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The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

We don't know that Orsino didn't try to stop it. Only that he didn't want the Templars involved in trying to stop it, because he couldn't trust them.

And rightfully so, I might add. Considering the Templars of Kirkwall are 95% Alriks, Merediths, and Karrases and 5% Thrasks, Cullens, and Kerans.

I agree with this. I also agree with brushyourteeth's conclusion that Orsino was an accomplice. I know for me there was that "<gasp!> You bastard!" when I found that note. He was in on it. Image IPB

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That would be really interesting. We have never actually seen the rite done.

I'm all for it.

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Even if Orsino felt he couldn't do anything to stop Quentin, he could have, you know, NOT assisted him in his research by sending him forbidden necromancy tomes.

He's an accomplice. Period.


Unwitting accomplice. I'm sure that Quentin's notes to his friend Orsino sounded sane and talked about trying to perform anatomical studies of the human body so as to see if there was a way to bring back people that died using blood magic.

Since, you know, that's Quentin's entire MO.

That doesn't necessarily mean the notes were talking about murdering people for their bodies. The books themselves might've had such knowledge in them and Quentin only had a few things to go off of from his time in the Starkhaven Circle. I doubt Orsino would've knowingly assisted a man he knew was going to be a murderer.

And the research and notes/letters he sent Orsino -- which we're not sure what it said specifically -- seemed to point to it being possible, to which the FE probably endorsed it because he was led to believe such a thing and then gave him whatever books the Circle had on the subject.

Based on Orsino's statements in both types of playthroughs, it seems extremely likely that Orsino received the Harvester ritual long after whatever other notes he received from Quentin, and that's when he cut off all ties to Quentin.

But due to the hostile nature of the Templar Order within Kirkwall, he could not go to the Templars for assistance without bringing damnation upon all of his charges. And so he was quite seriously caught between a rock and a hard place.

He has unknowingly helped a serial killer Mage in Kirkwall, and can do little to nothing to try and bring him down. If he wants to try something, it has to be kept from the Templars so they don't punish the rest of the Mages -- as the Templars have been doing since Meredith came to power.

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The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
And he couldn't go to Meredith or any Templars with that information, because they had intentionally created a hostile environment where Mages and Templars could not work together.

The Templars are a military order, and even had Orsino gone to someone like Cullen or Thrask, they would be bound by duty to relay such information to their superiors. And as we all know, Meredith had acquired the broken idol -- which is far more potent then when it was intact -- from Bartrand during Act II.


Here's a thought, why didn't he go to Emeric?  A disgraced elderly Templar forced to act through a third party (fourth technically speaking) in order to investigate.  He had a man singularly focused on stopping Quentin who wouldn't have gone to Meredith, who wouldn't have been believed if he had, and he did nothing.

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Add into that the rumors swirling around of her being a bit mad as early as Act 2, and I surmise that she would've called the RoA down on them immediately because she was already lost to the idol.


Except she wasn't that far gone.  She was rejecting the Tranquil Solution, and she wasn't calling for the RoA until Blood Mages were literally coming out of the wood work.  Even if she was that far gone she couldn't have enacted the RoA anyway, she still needed approval from Elthina or the Divine and there was no way she could go over their heads without coming across as a raving loon. 

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It's the Templars' responsibility to hunt down malicious maleficarum, not the Mages. And they had information on a maleficar being present as early as Act 1, yet actually didn't investigate.


And it's a citizen's responsibility to report a known criminal to the authourities.  Orsino didn't, we've no evidence he did anything but sit on his hands and hope the situation worked itself out.

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So no blame at all lies with the man who KNEW what was going on, and had full authority to report and even stop it.


We don't know that Orsino didn't try to stop it. Only that he didn't want the Templars involved in trying to stop it, because he couldn't trust them.


In the absence of evidence of a positive we must assume the negative.  We can't know if he did anything or not but without any indication that he did we must assume he didn't.

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
And rightfully so, I might add. Considering the Templars of Kirkwall are 95% Alriks, Merediths, and Karrases and 5% Thrasks, Cullens, and Kerans.


Wow.  I mean it's one thing to base the attitudes of people we've never met based on 6 we have, but to not even base it on those 6 is something else.  Actually we meet 7 Templars; four of them are decent men who at their worst are just doing what they feel is necessary to protect people, and the other 3 are absolute monsters.

Actually, actually we meet 8-9.  Wesley, who's in there briefly and not a Marcher Templar so I'd forgive excluding him, and Carver if you go that route.

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I would like to see that the two greatest evils in the Thedas fighting to the Death. 

The Mage-Templar thing is only driven by D$*&s on both sides with both being wrong.

Xilizhra you say that the Chantry shouldn't be in charge but what other pan-national organisations are there? 

Thedas isn't like the word we live in today, it is most similar to the 11th-14th Century Europe where the only pan-national government was the Church. Thedas has the Gray Wardens but would they be willing to watch the mages would the kings/princes/whatever trust them?  


A blight on Par Vollen would be hilarious. And I don't know if it was this thread that discussed it, but right here we have a scenario that proves that under certain circumstances, standing idly by is not only an option, but a moral obligation.

Also - the Wardens are a close third behind the aforementioned as far as evil organizations go - their heads can go on spikes right next to the others. The last thing that should happen is to grant these guys even more power.

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Any test you can prepare for proves nothing.  It proves memorization and recitation, not understanding or ability.  Any idiot can be a genius for one hour.  Furthermore the Harrowing is intended specifically to test your ability to counter demons when you're unprepared.  They force you into the worst case scenario (weak and unprepared) to see if you can best a demon, because some day that's going to happen.  Better they find out you don't have the mettle for it now than in 30 years when you've got some real power behind you.

I'm sorry, but that rationalisation is complete nonsense.

Tests absolutely do prove understanding and ability. You learn the methods, then you practice them, then you apply them in the test to demonstrate your understanding. Yes, demonic attacks often occur unexpectedly, but a mage will be better equipped to fend those attacks off if they are taught how to. Willpower is like a muscle, it gets stronger with regular exercise. Instead of shoving their mages into a situation "weak and unprepared", they should be making their mages stronger, and teaching them how to deal with that situation when it happens.

As it is, the Harrowing proves nothing anyway, because the mages only pass through sheer dumb luck. It doesn't prove any sort of capability, and the mage doesn't learn anything from the experience. Wynne was a senior mage who passed her Harrowing years ago, and she couldn't resist a sloth demon's influence, even with the Spirit of Faith supposedly protecting her.

Lots of things happen when you're not expecting them: crimes, housefires, heart attacks, drownings. By the Circle's logic we shouldn't train our police, firemen, paramedics or lifeguards either because the whole nature of an emergency is that it happens when you're not prepared, and not expecting it.

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Here's a thought, why didn't he go to Emeric? A disgraced elderly Templar forced to act through a third party (fourth technically speaking) in order to investigate. He had a man singularly focused on stopping Quentin who wouldn't have gone to Meredith, who wouldn't have been believed if he had, and he did nothing


Depends. Just when did he receive the Harvester notes, which were when Orsino realized who he had been assisting unknowingly? If it was after Emeric died, well... the answer is self-evident.

If it was before, then fair point. He could've gone to Emeric.

Although Emeric wouldn't have been able to fight himself, as he couldn't even handle a few armed thugs. As a result he wouldn't be able to fight Demons and a Blood Mage.

And if he went to the City Guard, they'd more then likely request the Templars' assistance. Which would lead to Quentin being dealt with, but the Mages being punished. And then if Emeric did speak up, he'd possibly be reprimanded further for keeping this information hidden from the Templars and the Mages would still be punished.

At any rate the Templars had enough information to go off of to know something was up and needed investigating if Hawke did The First Sacrifice in Act 1.

Except she wasn't that far gone. She was rejecting the Tranquil Solution,


To save face with the populus of Kirkwall and because the Grand Cleric herself rejected it, so if she was approving of it officially she'd be going against the GC's orders.

And she did support it. Just not officially. She couldn't have failed to notice the increasing number of Tranquil Mages that were also Harrowed.

The RoT requires the express approval of the FE and the KC, as DAO's Mage Origin illustrates. That more and more Tranquil were appearing due to Alrik illegally performing it on various Mages -- Harrowed and non-Harrowed alike -- means she couldn't have failed to notice it.

If she did, she's deliberately allowing it to go on. If she didn't, she's incompetent.

and she wasn't calling for the RoA until Blood Mages were literally coming out of the wood work.


Yeah, that happened after she called it. Any blood mages that existed during Act 3 were either apostates or dealt with -- due to plot-stupidity for pro-Mage Hawkes -- by Hawke and no more were present.

Any other blood mages were a result of an unjustified Annulment being called down on the Mages for the act of an apostate.



Even if she was that far gone she couldn't have enacted the RoA anyway, she still needed approval from Elthina or the Divine and there was no way she could go over their heads without coming across as a raving loon.


Oh she very much could have. She probably would've kept persisting and when she was refused would've killed the Grand Cleric, citing it as a "mercy killing for her friend that was enthralled by the maleficarum of Kirkwall" and continued it on subsequent Grand Clerics until one capitulated to her demands out of fear or an anti-Mage outlook

In the absence of evidence of a positive we must assume the negative. We can't know if he did anything or not but without any indication that he did we must assume he didn't.


Well, he was in Kirkwall with a contingent of Mages when he was caught in the crossfire of the Qunari attack.

It's evident that he was there for reasons that had nothing to do with the Qunari, because the Qunari assaulted the city after Orsino and his mages were there.

So while there isn't anything to outright state or even imply such, we can choose to believe that he was there in Kirkwall with those Mages for that reason.

Wow. I mean it's one thing to base the attitudes of people we've never met based on 6 we have, but to not even base it on those 6 is something else. Actually we meet 7 Templars; four of them are decent men who at their worst are just doing what they feel is necessary to protect people, and the other 3 are absolute monsters.


I didn't realize the thousands of Templars that went through with an unjustified Annulment without even caring to call Meredith out on the idiocy of her idea didn't qualify as "absolute monsters".

And considering all of the Templars that fought for a better Circle were killed or (temporarily) kicked out of the Order -- as Cullen states -- then yes, they were all absolute monsters.

Even Cullen, the so called standard of being a moderate, goes through with it despite his growing doubts.

If hundreds of Mages die for an act they had nothing to do with while the culprit submitted himself to justice and didn't receive it by the Templars' hand, then they are absolute monsters. If the Veil is thinned even further because of an unjustified RoA, then they are absolute monsters. If no Templar is smart enough to know that catering to a mob's demands -- which hasn't even formed yet due to the fact it's nighttime -- will only make them bolder and should be avoided, then they're idiots to boot and have no place in the political spectrum.

Side note: Cullen needs to be deeply traumatized by his part in the RoA of Kirkwall to be a believable character. The deaths of hundreds of innocent people by a person's own hand and inaction to injustice will weigh on a person's mind and soul heavily.

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The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Side note: Cullen needs to be deeply traumatized by his part in the RoA of Kirkwall to be a believable character. The deaths of hundreds of innocent people by a person's own hand and inaction to injustice will weigh on a person's mind and soul heavily.


For once I actually agree with most of what you write - though the last part probably going to be pretty awkward, considering butchering thousands (of debateable innocence) is pretty much tuesday for every DA protagonist we've had so far.

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Any test you can prepare for proves nothing.  It proves memorization and recitation, not understanding or ability.  Any idiot can be a genius for one hour.  Furthermore the Harrowing is intended specifically to test your ability to counter demons when you're unprepared.  They force you into the worst case scenario (weak and unprepared) to see if you can best a demon, because some day that's going to happen.  Better they find out you don't have the mettle for it now than in 30 years when you've got some real power behind you.

I'm sorry, but that rationalisation is complete nonsense.

Tests absolutely do prove understanding and ability. You learn the methods, then you practice them, then you apply them in the test to demonstrate your understanding.

 
Ok look at it this way, you ever know somebody who hours after taking a test couldn't tell you a damn thing about the subject?  That was the vast majority of people I went to school with.  They didn't understand any of the material they just memorized the information, spewed it out where they thought it fit, and forgot it.

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Yes, demonic attacks often occur unexpectedly, but a mage will be better equipped to fend those attacks off if they are taught how to. Willpower is like a muscle, it gets stronger with regular exercise. Instead of shoving their mages into a situation "weak and unprepared", they should be making their mages stronger, and teaching them how to deal with that situation when it happens.


Except you can't simulate weak and unprepared.  The test is designed around handling a worst case scenario, sadly without creating that scenario there's no way to make an honest test.  There's a term for it in behavioural tests where a subjects awareness of the test colours the results.  They aren't giving honest responses they're giving the responses they think the tester wants.

You can't run an accurate test with the subject going, "Ok I'm tangling with a demon, now what would I do if I were weak and unprepared?"  if you want true results you need a subject going, "Oh crap I'm so not ready for this what do I do?"

I'll concede that training in battling demons would probably be a good idea but I still think the Harrowing should be something you're randomly pulled out of bed for and thrown into the Fade with no time to prepare.

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Lots of things happen when you're not expecting them: crimes, housefires, heart attacks, drownings. By the Circle's logic we shouldn't train our police, firemen, paramedics or lifeguards either because the whole nature of an emergency is that it happens when you're not prepared, and not expecting it.


Mages are trained though, after they take their test.  Also while if a cop or fire fighter isn't ready to do their job it can be tragic a Mage slipping up is a much bigger problem.

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I'll concede that training in battling demons would probably be a good idea but I still think the Harrowing should be something you're randomly pulled out of bed for and thrown into the Fade with no time to prepare.


Just like we do with Pilots - we always let those take an unmanned flight in the middle of the night, before they've had an hour in a simulator or school - because if a pilot of a passenger machine messes up, that's a big problem right?

See how this logic doesn't work? More importantly - why is "weak and unprepared"  inevitable to happen? Maybe "unprepared" would happen a whole lot less if we'd... you know... actually prepare the mages? Train them? Because that's precisely what we do for those professions in real life, that have dangerous tasks where lots of lives are at stake. We give them so much training, that even if they're having a bad day, they can still do their job. 

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The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Even if Orsino felt he couldn't do anything to stop Quentin, he could have, you know, NOT assisted him in his research by sending him forbidden necromancy tomes.

He's an accomplice. Period.


Unwitting accomplice. I'm sure that Quentin's notes to his friend Orsino sounded sane and talked about trying to perform anatomical studies of the human body so as to see if there was a way to bring back people that died using blood magic.

Since, you know, that's Quentin's entire MO.

That doesn't necessarily mean the notes were talking about murdering people for their bodies. The books themselves might've had such knowledge in them and Quentin only had a few things to go off of from his time in the Starkhaven Circle. I doubt Orsino would've knowingly assisted a man he knew was going to be a murderer.

And the research and notes/letters he sent Orsino -- which we're not sure what it said specifically -- seemed to point to it being possible, to which the FE probably endorsed it because he was led to believe such a thing and then gave him whatever books the Circle had on the subject.

Based on Orsino's statements in both types of playthroughs, it seems extremely likely that Orsino received the Harvester ritual long after whatever other notes he received from Quentin, and that's when he cut off all ties to Quentin.

But due to the hostile nature of the Templar Order within Kirkwall, he could not go to the Templars for assistance without bringing damnation upon all of his charges. And so he was quite seriously caught between a rock and a hard place.

He has unknowingly helped a serial killer Mage in Kirkwall, and can do little to nothing to try and bring him down. If he wants to try something, it has to be kept from the Templars so they don't punish the rest of the Mages -- as the Templars have been doing since Meredith came to power.


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MisterJB

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Lithuasil wrote...
A blight on Par Vollen would be hilarious.


Par Vollen is the only thing containing Tevinter expansionism. Ideally, Corypheus would awaken both Archdemons. One in Minrathous and another in Par Vollen.
Meanwhile, the rest of Thedas can just watch, cheer for the Darkspawn and get ready for when they head South.

Hail Razikale and Lusacan, heroes of Thedas. Now, let's kill them.

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Tevinter, unlike Par Vollen, has Grey Wardens. I'm fairly sure another Blight there would fall rather fast.