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[Overtkill]

I haven't been on this forum in a long while. Sold my Mass Effect 2 & 3 months ago, but I did watch the EC & Leviathan on Youtube out of curiosity.

I can't say I'm mad at the endings anymore (they are still just awful though), but I have gone from Day 1 buyer of Bioware products & DLC to avoid Bioware products & DLC. Take it as you will.

Modifié par Overtkill, 29 septembre 2012 - 04:49 .

[thefallen2far]

I sold my ME3 back to the store. Only got $15, but it was worth it. I was going to sell my ME2, but I would only get $7.... and it's still a re playable game. I'm never loosing my ME1. I'm treasuring that one.

[Maxster_]

thefallen2far wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

To YOU, it was "crap on a plate". To us who liked if not loved the endings, it was a moralistic choice that summed up the Mass Effect universe in more ways than one

Moral # 1.  Sometimes it's better to just roll over and die.
Moral # 2.  AI isn't alive unless you rewrite the entire laws of the universe.
Moral # 3. Conflict between Organics and Synthetics is inherent.... even if you broker peace, there's always going to be war between Organics and Synthetics.
Moral # 4. Sometimes, you have to do the intent of a genocidal megalomaniac does to win.... even though you fought him for over a hundred hours of play.
Moral # 5.  Dont be critical about the endings.... the developers will add a metaphorical middle finger if you do.

You're right.  More ways than one.

Forced pointless suicide is the best way to end heroic saga.

[AresKeith]

Maxster_ wrote...

thefallen2far wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

To YOU, it was "crap on a plate". To us who liked if not loved the endings, it was a moralistic choice that summed up the Mass Effect universe in more ways than one

Moral # 1.  Sometimes it's better to just roll over and die.
Moral # 2.  AI isn't alive unless you rewrite the entire laws of the universe.
Moral # 3. Conflict between Organics and Synthetics is inherent.... even if you broker peace, there's always going to be war between Organics and Synthetics.
Moral # 4. Sometimes, you have to do the intent of a genocidal megalomaniac does to win.... even though you fought him for over a hundred hours of play.
Moral # 5.  Dont be critical about the endings.... the developers will add a metaphorical middle finger if you do.

You're right.  More ways than one.

Forced pointless suicide is the best way to end heroic saga.

lets not give them the option to sacrifice their character, lets make it every ending choice

[CaIIisto]

I am wondering - if they'd ended the game with three options where Shepard definitely lives, and the remaining one where he may, or may not - how many people would still be complaining after 6 months that they were p*ssed off at not having the opportunity to kill their character......

[RebelTitan428]

i despise the ending, EC and all.

i also find the entire game mediocre at best, minus Tuchanka.

[Twinzam.V]

Bester76 wrote...

I am wondering - if they'd ended the game with three options where Shepard definitely lives, and the remaining one where he may, or may not - how many people would still be complaining after 6 months that they were p*ssed off at not having the opportunity to kill their character......

Solution.
Make an ending were the character dies, other were he lives other were he sacrifices.
As a plus throw in diferent variations acording to moral and choices made, it will multiply the amount of endings and one of them will match what the player wants.

[fainmaca]

TBH, I still dislike the game as a whole. Endings aside, it fell short on many fronts that have not and and, thanks to being overshadowed by the endings, will probably never be addressed.

I've recovered enough to be able to play ME1 and 2, looking back at them with great fondness, but I cannot (physically, I cannot. When I try, I get annoyed and a glut of frustration rises in my throat to leave me nauseous) play ME3 at all. Even the bits that I can admit were done well still frustrate due to being dragged down by the ending and other failings that still remain prevalent throughout.

For me, the game is only salvageable by a remake, which I am aware will almost certainly never happen. Can't hurt to hope though. If Bioware ever read this, there are people out here who would buy a remake. We may be more cautious going in, but we're here if you ever want to discuss it.

[Maxster_]

Twinzam.V wrote...

Bester76 wrote...

I am wondering - if they'd ended the game with three options where Shepard definitely lives, and the remaining one where he may, or may not - how many people would still be complaining after 6 months that they were p*ssed off at not having the opportunity to kill their character......

Solution.
Make an ending were the character dies, other were he lives other were he sacrifices.
As a plus throw in diferent variations acording to moral and choices made, it will multiply the amount of endings and one of them will match what the player wants.

That's too videogamey.

[Maxster_]

For me, the game is only salvageable by a remake, which I am aware will almost certainly never happen. Can't hurt to hope though. If Bioware ever read this, there are people out here who would buy a remake. We may be more cautious going in, but we're here if you ever want to discuss it.

I fail to see how EAWare is capable of such remake. They showed their current capabilities with that standalone so-called "Mass Effect 3".

[Kulbelbolka]

It was never about hate. I don't know how about you guys, but the ending traumatized me very much. After I saw the ending at first time I felt nothing, because I couldn't understand what I just saw. After several days of thinking I get some serious depression: problems with sleeping and eating, I stopped going to university, just sitting at home for several weeks and chatting with others with the same symptoms on forums. Than it was conspirology about indoctrination. It makes it even worse, because it gave me false hope.

It was six month ago, but I still feel bad about all that stuff. For me videogames were never about fun or excitement, they were always about story, adventure and some cultural experience. After ME1 I became big sci-fi fan. After ME2 I was starting to thinking a lot about Cosmos and Universe. But what ME3 ending done with me - that's too much for videogame. It's more important, when you know, that Bioware was planning such a reaction. Lots of speculation from everyone, you know.

I always thinking - why do we need this age ratings on boxes? How can videogames traumatize anybody? Yes, there is a lot if violence, but it's totally unrealistic! After ME3 I understand that violence has nothing to do with it. I have the similar experience with the game Mafia, but after effects gone after a week. And game have real closure.

There is such term in psychology - incomplete gestalt, it's something from your past that don't allow you to move on. ME3 is my incomplete gestalt. Even after half of a year I checking this forums several times per day, seeking for some news about ME and waiting for... Ending, I think? I mean I still hope that there will be something after last singleplayer DLC and last MP operation. There must be something. Even it will be just ME4 announcement it would be more better than not knowing.

[fainmaca]

Bester76 wrote...

I am wondering - if they'd ended the game with three options where Shepard definitely lives, and the remaining one where he may, or may not - how many people would still be complaining after 6 months that they were p*ssed off at not having the opportunity to kill their character......

The whole thing had a much easier fix. There shouldn't have been a choice at the end. Rather, we should have had a silding scale of victory in fighting the Reapers ranging all the way from Shepard and co lives down through sacrifice, multiple casualties and extinctions to the point where you die, your loved ones die, the Normandy burns and the Galaxy is left a wasteland. this would have put more value into the choices than they had, and you'd avoid the whole sh*tstorm flying around about the possibility of Bioware canonising any ending. the canon ending is that Shepard wins, whether he lives or not. Your ending can be different to that, more unique.

frankly it was nonsensical of Bioware to try and do anything other than a sliding scale, given the variables that had to be taken into account.

[Grogimus]

fainmaca wrote...

TBH, I still dislike the game as a whole. Endings aside, it fell short on many fronts that have not and and, thanks to being overshadowed by the endings, will probably never be addressed.

I've recovered enough to be able to play ME1 and 2, looking back at them with great fondness, but I cannot (physically, I cannot. When I try, I get annoyed and a glut of frustration rises in my throat to leave me nauseous) play ME3 at all. Even the bits that I can admit were done well still frustrate due to being dragged down by the ending and other failings that still remain prevalent throughout.

For me, the game is only salvageable by a remake, which I am aware will almost certainly never happen. Can't hurt to hope though. If Bioware ever read this, there are people out here who would buy a remake. We may be more cautious going in, but we're here if you ever want to discuss it.

This kind of attitude I simply cannot understand.  You've recovered enough?  From what?!  Did a game...A GAME!  affect you so much that you needed recovery time?  Give me a friggin' break.  The game overall was great. It had a controversial ending.  Whether you liked it or not, calling it a tramatic event is rediculous.  It's a friggin' game.  The melodrama on this forum is beyond reality. 

[CaIIisto]

Maxster_ wrote...

That's too videogamey.

Absolutely! And heaven forbid a videogame should get a videogame ending! lol

Still, I'm sure Casey will have the last length in 20/30 years when he's remembered alongside the likes of Van Gogh, Beethoven and Tolkien.

[spirosz]

Grogimus wrote...

fainmaca wrote...

TBH, I still dislike the game as a whole. Endings aside, it fell short on many fronts that have not and and, thanks to being overshadowed by the endings, will probably never be addressed.

I've recovered enough to be able to play ME1 and 2, looking back at them with great fondness, but I cannot (physically, I cannot. When I try, I get annoyed and a glut of frustration rises in my throat to leave me nauseous) play ME3 at all. Even the bits that I can admit were done well still frustrate due to being dragged down by the ending and other failings that still remain prevalent throughout.

For me, the game is only salvageable by a remake, which I am aware will almost certainly never happen. Can't hurt to hope though. If Bioware ever read this, there are people out here who would buy a remake. We may be more cautious going in, but we're here if you ever want to discuss it.

This kind of attitude I simply cannot understand.  You've recovered enough?  From what?!  Did a game...A GAME!  affect you so much that you needed recovery time?  Give me a friggin' break.  The game overall was great. It had a controversial ending.  Whether you liked it or not, calling it a tramatic event is rediculous.  It's a friggin' game.  The melodrama on this forum is beyond reality. 

Hey bro, you do realize that people can get attached to anything, movies, books, games, etc.  It can influence them in very postive ways and when something that they love happens to kick them in the balls, it hurts, just because for you "it's a game", doesn't work the same way with other people.  

[fainmaca]

Grogimus wrote...
This kind of attitude I simply cannot understand.  You've recovered enough?  From what?!  Did a game...A GAME!  affect you so much that you needed recovery time?  Give me a friggin' break.  The game overall was great. It had a controversial ending.  Whether you liked it or not, calling it a tramatic event is rediculous.  It's a friggin' game.  The melodrama on this forum is beyond reality. 

I never said I was traumatised. I simply said that I recovered from the ending. All I meant was that the experience left me unwilling to play ME1 and 2. Over time, I found myself able to blank out what I know about ME3, ignore it and just play the other two games. Recovery doesn't have to involve some kind of hideous trauma.

Still going to contest the idea that this was a 'great' game, though. My issues with it stem from much more than just the endings.

[Yakko77]

DrwEddy wrote...

Yes, I still hate the endings.
Is it too much to ask a reunion scene with Shephard and thier crew/LI?

Apparently so. 

My take on ME3 is very much a love-hate relationship.  There are things I absolutely love (the Sur'Kesh and Tuchanka missions) and things I absolutely despise (like the moment star brat shows up).

[Maxster_]

Bester76 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

That's too videogamey.

Absolutely! And heaven forbid a videogame should get a videogame ending! lol

Still, I'm sure Casey will have the last length in 20/30 years when he's remembered alongside the likes of Van Gogh, Beethoven and Tolkien.

Nah, he will never be like them, it's different level. But, in any gaming company, especially for rpg games, he will definitely be remembered for 5-10 years.

[CaIIisto]

Maxster_ wrote...

Nah, he will never be like them, it's different level. But, in any gaming company, especially for rpg games, he will definitely be remembered for 5-10 years.

He won't be happy with that. He is after all, one of this generation's greatest artisans.....Oh hold on, no he ain't, he cr*pped the bed! 

[Zooter]

CELL55 wrote...

 I kinda find it hard to forget that the final boss of the epic space opera was a programing error that talked our character into committing suicide. 

 Maybe I'm just weird like that. <_<

 

Amen!!!

[sistersafetypin]

lol, yes. It's funny I always go away and pop back just to see... I don't know like pulling the bandage off of a wound that's finally healing just to see the scarring process?

It's kind of insane to think about. I've still only managed to play the game to completion once. I've made it to mars a handful of times [Ok I'll be honest, I make it to Liara a few times...] But I can never bring myself to keep playing.

It's not even hate, I'm just mostly moved on. From evangelical superfan, to... simply writing of Bioware and ME3.

[mcsupersport]

Don't hate it....just can't force myself to play any ME games...
I haven't touched the games in months, managed to finish the game once, played some MP and got tired of it. I haven't bought any of the expansions, and likely will not. I may buy the new DA, if after it comes out looks good and gets good reviews from players....otherwise it will be a pass too.

Bioware went from a must buy company, to one that I may buy if the player reviews and videos look good enough. I may try ME1 again...someday, and will probably do ME2 again someday....but will probably NEVER play ME3 again.

[Mastone]

N7 Shadow 90 wrote...

There has certainly been less hate since the EC came out. About 50/50 of people liking it,and hating it, compared to about 80/20 before.

People who still like the game are still here, people who stopped liking the game ( mostly because of the nuttcracker ending) are not visiting regularly anymore... that's why your alledged 80/20 turned to 50/50.

It makes no sense  for them to be making a new Mass Effect...they failed so miserably that I lost confidence in the fact they can make a solid game

[Maxster_]

Mastone wrote...

N7 Shadow 90 wrote...

There has certainly been less hate since the EC came out. About 50/50 of people liking it,and hating it, compared to about 80/20 before.

People who still like the game are still here, people who stopped liking the game ( mostly because of the nuttcracker ending) are not visiting regularly anymore... that's why your alledged 80/20 turned to 50/50.

It makes no sense  for them to be making a new Mass Effect...they failed so miserably that I lost confidence in the fact they can make a solid game

Don't forget SWTOR failure. It added to that.

[Mastone]

Maxster_ wrote...

Mastone wrote...

N7 Shadow 90 wrote...

There has certainly been less hate since the EC came out. About 50/50 of people liking it,and hating it, compared to about 80/20 before.

People who still like the game are still here, people who stopped liking the game ( mostly because of the nuttcracker ending) are not visiting regularly anymore... that's why your alledged 80/20 turned to 50/50.

It makes no sense  for them to be making a new Mass Effect...they failed so miserably that I lost confidence in the fact they can make a solid game

Don't forget SWTOR failure. It added to that.

SW:TOR and DA2 are indeed other reasons why Bioware should reconsider their choices, but not unlike many other big ( mostly american) companies...they are polluted with so called yes man, these people nod and wink at everything some suit in the board room says without any thought other then getting as high up as possible that they forget why and how they are making their money....by making high quality games.
If they keep this up I foresee a closure of Bioware