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[Jadebaby]

Tritium315 wrote...

Okay, apparently I have to explain the analogy.

A true fan would not simply support a studio no matter what they do. If the studio they are a fan of is doing something they perceive as stupid they should let them know about it lest the studio go into a downward spiral of mediocrity. If all a studio hears is "you're perfect, you're doing awesome, everything you make is flawless" then they will get lazier and lazier and never improve.

Hence the comparison to how a true friend would not simple allow their friends to do stupid **** that could **** up their lives.

QFT

[Mathias]

Do i still hate one of the most glorious and spectacular narrative suicides a gaming franchise has ever endured? To the point where it's the ultimate running joke for bad video game endings these days?

Yes I do.

[AresKeith]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

blueumi wrote...

No what i said was any future mass effect title i will not buy

I have EVERY mass effect 1 2 and 3 dlc I own the games on pc ps3 and xbox 360

who are you to say who is or is not a fan of BIOWARE I love mass effect 1 and 2 but the ending was bad I don't like and I don't have to

I also have kotor on xbox and pc I have baldur's gate 1 and 2 as well

do you think those icons below that show I have dragon age 1 and 2 on pc ps3 and xbox 360 not show how much of my money bioware get and will still get

you don't have the right to say that i'm not a fan

seriously, people need to get over that. Just because we don't like the ME3 ending doesn't mean we hate Bioware

I have seen many people say they hate Bioware because of the ending. As for blue I was pointing out the the irony of his or her signature deciding who is and is not a 'real' fan which is why I overused the word 'real' for effect relating to her comment about never buying anything else regarding ME even though just because do not like the ending does not mean their DLC or new ME titles would not be good.

not playing the fan card here, but there is a difference between a fan and a yes-man.

Its her right and decision to not buy anymore of ME DLC or the next game, if there disappointed in a game there probably not gonna buy the next game in that series. I know because I've done that before to a few games

[Warden130]

Before EC. I didn't like the endings but I could live with them if Bioware decided to not change them. Post EC, I like the endings.

[blueumi]

being a fan and then being a yes man who never point out things that could have been better are not the same thing in my book

by the way it's cool if people like it i'm not saying anything about that all i'm saying as a fan who spent quite a bit of money on this game that it no longer entertaining to me

bioware wont go under if I no longer want mass effect games with forced synthesis

I have a right to pick what I will or wont buy or play from bioware

[Dragoonlordz]

blueumi wrote...

being a fan and then being a yes man who never point out things that could have been better are not the same thing in my book

by the way it's cool if people like it i'm not saying anything about that all i'm saying as a fan who spent quite a bit of money on this game that it no longer entertaining to me

bioware wont go under if I no longer want mass effect games with forced synthesis

I have a right to pick what I will or wont buy or play from bioware

Seems silly to me for anyone to rule out any future installlment in a franchise (which could be great games) just because did not like the end of one of the games. I did not enjoy DA2 but you will never see me rule out DA franchise.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 28 septembre 2012 - 05:35 .

[68sierra]

Honestly, I haven't "played" ME3 since the initial disappoint of the endings. I downloaded and watched the EC endings (That should have been there in the first place, IMO.) and a 4th ending that was more of a bi--- slap to a good portion of the community. As a result, I've haven't been able to bring myself to pick up part 1 again (My fav of the three.) I definitely don't consider myself a fan of the series or the company (Bioware or EA) any longer, as I used to be. I'm not against playing their games, but I no longer associate Bioware with quality products anymore.

Oddly enough, I'm only here to read up on another game (SWTOR F2P announcement) and curiosity had me glance at this topic again. (I won't discuss that here.)

EDIT:  Just noticed there are no SWTOR forums here, so a pointless exercise .

Modifié par 68sierra, 28 septembre 2012 - 05:49 .

[Jadebaby]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

blueumi wrote...

being a fan and then being a yes man who never point out things that could have been better are not the same thing in my book

by the way it's cool if people like it i'm not saying anything about that all i'm saying as a fan who spent quite a bit of money on this game that it no longer entertaining to me

bioware wont go under if I no longer want mass effect games with forced synthesis

I have a right to pick what I will or wont buy or play from bioware

Seems silly to me for anyone to rule out any future installlment in a franchise (which could be great games) just because did not like the end of one of the games. I did not enjoy DA2 but you will never see me rule out DA franchise.

OMG you didn't enjoy DA2!? Nup, that's it. You're not a true fan, you should probably go...

Srsly though, maybe people wouldn't be interested because it's not about just "not liking" synthesis. It's about Synthesis being the total opposite of what we are taught is so important in the MEverse.

Ever since the first mission in ME1 where we had a Turian Spectre on board and Pressly thought it wasn't good because he's an alien on an alliance ship.

Sure, you have the choice to be a racist dick and go the pro-human route in ME1. But in ME2 you learn that to succeed you have to rely on people of other species and attain a unity through diversity. With two of these friends being synthetic themselves.

Synthesis craps on all of that and says that without it we are imperfect and that to truly evolve we must all become the same. That's bull****. So I couldn't blame some people if they feel they'd give up on ME for changing it's theme so drastically.

Modifié par Jade8aby88, 28 septembre 2012 - 05:47 .

[KevShep]

Mumba1511 wrote...

I do, then again I hate ME3 as a whole.

I second this^

[Andy the Black]

The EC helped me make my peace with the end. It's still not what I was hopping for and take anything that can make it more palatable. It doesn't ruin the whole franchise for me, it never did, I'm just not the type to let indigestion ruin my pizza. But clearly some people still feel very stronglyabout the ending even to the point they are put of re-playing Mass 1 and 2.

[Dragoonlordz]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

blueumi wrote...

being a fan and then being a yes man who never point out things that could have been better are not the same thing in my book

by the way it's cool if people like it i'm not saying anything about that all i'm saying as a fan who spent quite a bit of money on this game that it no longer entertaining to me

bioware wont go under if I no longer want mass effect games with forced synthesis

I have a right to pick what I will or wont buy or play from bioware

Seems silly to me for anyone to rule out any future installlment in a franchise (which could be great games) just because did not like the end of one of the games. I did not enjoy DA2 but you will never see me rule out DA franchise.

OMG you didn't enjoy DA2!? Nup, that's it. You're not a true fan, you should probably go...

Srsly though, maybe people wouldn't be interested because it's not about just "not liking" synthesis. It's about Synthesis being the total opposite of what we are taught is so important in the MEverse.

Ever since the first mission in ME1 where we had a Turian Spectre on board and Pressly thought it wasn't good because he's an alien on an alliance ship.

Sure, you have the choice to be a racist dick and go the pro-human route in ME1. But in ME2 you learn that to succeed you have to rely on people of other species and attain a unity through diversity. With two of these friends being synthetic themselves.

Synthesis craps on all of that and says that without it we are imperfect and that to truly evolve we must all become the same. That's bull****. So I couldn't blame some people if they feel they'd give up on ME for changing it's theme so drastically.

I picked control, I do not buy into this synthesis is canon idiology. I actually dislike ME2 more than ME1 and ME3. I was forced to work with a racist organisation with no free will regarding mission objectives until the last 30 seconds of the game in keeping or destroying the base. That game was a million times more character immersion breaking that ME3 ending ever was to me. Yet I did not rule out ME3 and will not rule out any ME game just like won't rule out any DA title.

In my mind I had to headcanon the principle that Miranda did in fact implant that control chip into my Shepard. I however respected Biowares right to tell the story they wanted to tell. The story is the one element I will never demand they change...combat mechanics, gameplay elements or features and such I will mention improving upon between each new game but story is the one thing that I think should be left to the creators and while I may like it or dislike it; it s the one thing I will not ask to be altered or demand changed at any time.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 28 septembre 2012 - 06:12 .

[Andy the Black]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

blueumi wrote...

being a fan and then being a yes man who never point out things that could have been better are not the same thing in my book

by the way it's cool if people like it i'm not saying anything about that all i'm saying as a fan who spent quite a bit of money on this game that it no longer entertaining to me

bioware wont go under if I no longer want mass effect games with forced synthesis

I have a right to pick what I will or wont buy or play from bioware

Seems silly to me for anyone to rule out any future installlment in a franchise (which could be great games) just because did not like the end of one of the games. I did not enjoy DA2 but you will never see me rule out DA franchise.

OMG you didn't enjoy DA2!? Nup, that's it. You're not a true fan, you should probably go...

Srsly though, maybe people wouldn't be interested because it's not about just "not liking" synthesis. It's about Synthesis being the total opposite of what we are taught is so important in the MEverse.

Ever since the first mission in ME1 where we had a Turian Spectre on board and Pressly thought it wasn't good because he's an alien on an alliance ship.

Sure, you have the choice to be a racist dick and go the pro-human route in ME1. But in ME2 you learn that to succeed you have to rely on people of other species and attain a unity through diversity. With two of these friends being synthetic themselves.

Synthesis craps on all of that and says that without it we are imperfect and that to truly evolve we must all become the same. That's bull****. So I couldn't blame some people if they feel they'd give up on ME for changing it's theme so drastically.

I have to point this out. There is a villain in a very popular british sci-fi series, that may or may not have inspired another villain in an even more popular amaracn sci-fi series, that does have this philosophy. I am of course talking about the Cybermen and the Borg. I think the fact that such iconic villains have this philosophy kinda shows why Synthesis was probably a bad idea.

Modifié par Andy the Black, 28 septembre 2012 - 05:59 .

[Ratimir]

The polished turd changed some minds.

Leviathan, from what I have seen, simply reinforced existing opinions. People who hated the endings hate them more with Leviathan, people who liked them like them more.

Time passing has made the hate less vocal as players give up on the game/series/developer/publisher and move on to something less facepalm inducing.

[clos]

Yeah, I hate it. EC is full of holes still and faulty logic. Anything attacked to Starbrat is crap.

[sUiCiDeKiNgS13]

I hate the "emotionally manipulative piano" music. Seriously. I know I can turn the sound off, but it will just go off in my head and ****** me off.

I played through 1 and 2 and then just stopped.

[Legendary Chop Chop]

I love all of the games in their own specific way, so nothing can really stop my love of the franchise, the characters, acting, and dialogue.

[Hennex]

The endings ruined the trilogy for me. I can't play more than ten minutes of the time before thinking of what they're leading up to, so I turn off the game I'm playing. So yes, I still hate the endings.

[KLGChaos]

Ratimir wrote...

The polished turd changed some minds.

Leviathan, from what I have seen, simply reinforced existing opinions. People who hated the endings hate them more with Leviathan, people who liked them like them more.

Time passing has made the hate less vocal as players give up on the game/series/developer/publisher and move on to something less facepalm inducing.

This. Most of us, while we still don't like the endings, have basically just given up on getting anything new and just don't really care anymore. A lot of us have given up on Bioware in general. I know that I'm not going to be pre-ordering DA3, after DA2 and ME3, and I'm not going to buy the gaming sites reviews, either, as biased as they are. I just don't have the faith that they can deliver, as they're definitely not the same company I knew.

This doesn't just apply to Bioware, though. The gaming industry as a whole has really gone down the crapper in the past 5 years or so, as money becomes the ultimate goal and pleasing the fanbase just falls by the wayside. Just look at WoW. Vanilla and BC were awesome... but now, as they try to cater to more and more players instead of focusing on improving what made them great, they've got Pandas and Pokemon in the latest expansion, which definitely isn't something that's going to bring me back to it. And let's not forget Diablo 3-- a snafu that rivaled the ME3 endings.

Modifié par KLGChaos, 28 septembre 2012 - 08:12 .

[Baldrick67]

Time makes the ending to ME3 seem even worse as more points of view are discussed and all the game failings and shortcumings are highlighted.

[N7 Shadow Liara]

Yes, I still hate it!

Modifié par N7 Shadow Liara, 28 septembre 2012 - 08:17 .

[inversevideo]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

blueumi wrote...

being a fan and then being a yes man who never point out things that could have been better are not the same thing in my book

by the way it's cool if people like it i'm not saying anything about that all i'm saying as a fan who spent quite a bit of money on this game that it no longer entertaining to me

bioware wont go under if I no longer want mass effect games with forced synthesis

I have a right to pick what I will or wont buy or play from bioware

Seems silly to me for anyone to rule out any future installlment in a franchise (which could be great games) just because did not like the end of one of the games. I did not enjoy DA2 but you will never see me rule out DA franchise.

OMG you didn't enjoy DA2!? Nup, that's it. You're not a true fan, you should probably go...

Srsly though, maybe people wouldn't be interested because it's not about just "not liking" synthesis. It's about Synthesis being the total opposite of what we are taught is so important in the MEverse.

Ever since the first mission in ME1 where we had a Turian Spectre on board and Pressly thought it wasn't good because he's an alien on an alliance ship.

Sure, you have the choice to be a racist dick and go the pro-human route in ME1. But in ME2 you learn that to succeed you have to rely on people of other species and attain a unity through diversity. With two of these friends being synthetic themselves.

Synthesis craps on all of that and says that without it we are imperfect and that to truly evolve we must all become the same. That's bull****. So I couldn't blame some people if they feel they'd give up on ME for changing it's theme so drastically.

+1

[Eterna]

At least the endings make sense now.

InB4: "No they don't waaah!"

Stop drooling at your screen and actually think on it for a bit.

[CaIIisto]

Nope. Still hate the ending.

Completely undermines everything that's gone before it.

[SpamBot2000]

Mass Effect still deserves a better ending.

[Jadebaby]

sUiCiDeKiNgS13 wrote...

I hate the "emotionally manipulative piano" music. Seriously. I know I can turn the sound off, but it will just go off in my head and ****** me off.

I played through 1 and 2 and then just stopped.

lol the only one I've become to hate is "an ending once and for all" I honestly cannot listen to it without getting angry.

The first time I played the game I got very emotional at this music. Now when I play.. All I think of is BioWare sitting back going "FEEL SAD!!"

That just makes me angry now.

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Mass Effect still deserves a better ending.

People are starting to get banned for this sort of mentality.

Modifié par Jade8aby88, 28 septembre 2012 - 09:01 .