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[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

3DandBeyond wrote...

m2iCodeJockey wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Epique Phael767 wrote...
I could write a college thesis paper on all of the flaws in this one game.,

Yes, I'd be surprised if there weren't actual college writing courses that use the game for examples of how not to write a story.

And the ending choices seem already like a college behavioral psych experiment.

"Hmm... Let's see how many people would actually be alright with shoving permanent cellular service into the brains of everyone in the galaxy..."

Yeah.  Even when people were asked in a poll here if they would want to be synthesized, the majority said no. 

But synthesis is clearly the bestest option evar!!!

Glow kid thinks it's awesome and we all know how much his opinion matters!!!


[/sarcasm]

[DDG4005]

I never hated the endings; I just thought they were incomplete.  The Extended Cut resolved most of this for me and I think Mass Effect 3 stands as a complete game now (minus the upcoming DLC).  Some people will disagree with me but I think that it's time to stop harping on the endings and how they disconnect ME3 from the first two games (they don't).

Mass Effect, in my opinion, was an experiment by BioWare to create roleplaying game where choices mattered and your character could be imported into the next game.  As such there were many things stated in a hyperbolic fashion that implied that it would be the mother of all rpgs.  Being a bit of a writer myself I know how things can change in story and especially a trilogy.  You plan some things and make the rest up as you go along and this is what BioWare did.  Were there promises made?  Yes.  Were some promises broken?  Yes.  Does this take away from ME3 or the trilogy as a whole?  No.  If anything I think we've all learned something here.  BioWare has learned that they have a passionate fanbase that loves their games and holds them to high standard (perhaps higher than other developers).  When they mention features in future games I think they'll be more careful not promise the moon if they can't deliver (even some of that is good ol fashioned hype to sell the game) and I think we gamers shouldn't be surprised if some feature that mentioned either gets cut before the game ships or is changed from what it was originally supposed to be.

These are just some of my thoughts on this but I'll end by repeating what I said earlier: I don't hate the endings and never did.

[Ithurael]

I hate that I am not of the Earth Clan enough to understand the artistic vision of bioware....

Earth clan are all *breaths* racists

[ReinRaus]

iiNOMADii wrote...

ReinRaus wrote...

I like the endings after the EC came out. I loved the game until the endings before EC.

One thing I don't really understand is, why do people who hate the game hang out in this forum? I am not trying to judge you or anything, I just don't simply understand :/

You know, I would much rather be playing the Mass Effect series instead of being on the forums all the time,  But the thing of it is, ME3 ruined the trilogy (at least at this point, anyway) for me.  I can't imagine restarting the series now because of all the things that resulted in ME3, and it's not just the ending, either, that's just one (albeit large) complaint I have with ME3. 

I'm still here because I still have a profound love for the series, but I can't 'participate' in that by playing the games anymore, as unfortunate as it sounds.  So here I am, reading threads about how much the game sucked and why, etc.  I don't try to be spiteful or anything like that, I just feel...eh...about the series now, so instead of playing the games and getting enjoyment out of it, here I am.

But do you enjoy hanging out in this forum and reading threads about how the game sucks?

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Ithurael wrote...

I hate that I am not of the Earth Clan enough to understand the artistic vision of bioware....

Earth clan are all *breaths* racists

How offensive!

Just for that we should forcibly implant you with...space magikey things against your will!!!

[zioninzion]

ReinRaus wrote...

iiNOMADii wrote...

ReinRaus wrote...

I like the endings after the EC came out. I loved the game until the endings before EC.

One thing I don't really understand is, why do people who hate the game hang out in this forum? I am not trying to judge you or anything, I just don't simply understand :/

You know, I would much rather be playing the Mass Effect series instead of being on the forums all the time,  But the thing of it is, ME3 ruined the trilogy (at least at this point, anyway) for me.  I can't imagine restarting the series now because of all the things that resulted in ME3, and it's not just the ending, either, that's just one (albeit large) complaint I have with ME3. 

I'm still here because I still have a profound love for the series, but I can't 'participate' in that by playing the games anymore, as unfortunate as it sounds.  So here I am, reading threads about how much the game sucked and why, etc.  I don't try to be spiteful or anything like that, I just feel...eh...about the series now, so instead of playing the games and getting enjoyment out of it, here I am.

But do you enjoy hanging out in this forum and reading threads about how the game sucks?

Not that anyone cares what I personally do but...i use these forums to debate the endings and why I personally think its not the real end of the ending (not to be confused with wanted BW to change the ending). I dont like the forums to say the game sucks. Because I dont think it does. But I think a passionate fan base can keep the hopes alive that the series will continue.

[3DandBeyond]

Let's also remember why people came here in the first place-ads and hype that ended up not being true at the end. I think some people wanted a sign that things could change and that Bioware might have learned to be more accurate in reflecting what was in due to be released games after what happened with ME3.

But then there's this-the description of ME3 for the WiiU in the EA store:

• Interactive Storytelling - Mass Effect 3 plunges you into an emotional sci-fi story unlike any other where each decision you make will completely shape your experience and the outcome of a galaxy-wide war for survival.

• Unleash a Customizable Arsenal - Build your character and squad with dozens of unique weapons and abilities, each with powerful upgrades and modifications.

• class-Based Co-operative Multiplayer Missions - Fight the war alongside your friends in four-player co-op missions. Choose from a variety of races and classes and combine your skills to overcome overwhelming odds. Your success can have an impact on the outcome of your single-player experience.

• Adrenaline-Pumping Gameplay - Feel every bullet impact, roll into cover, and unleash devastating heavy weapons in an intense and pulse-pounding action-shooter game.


You don't completely shape anything especially not the outcome.
Coop multiplayer? No, it's horde mode. Coop in every other game I've played means actually going through missions together, not fighting against horde waves. That's actually called horde mode in other games.
Wow, all the heavy weapons-there are so many in the game it's just amazing. You get to use like maybe 3 or 4 of them for one or two shots.

[SimonTheFrog]

Still hate the ending.
Still think it should be rewritten without the kid and giving the crucible a much less stupid purpose.
Still think the trilogy would have been fantastic without silly, unnecessary space magic and a story centered around the cool places of the galaxy and not centered around humans and boring earth.
Still think that synthesis is the worst idea and implementation of any idea in the whole ME universe (that is coming from a person who hated the resurrection of shepard part in ME2 to no end).
Still checking the forums to see if there are any news about a new and good ending to save the franchise.

Modifié par SimonTheFrog, 28 septembre 2012 - 01:39 .

[xxskyshadowxx]

Ghost1017 wrote...

devSin wrote...

Oh, yes.

But it's beyond the point now where anything could be done about it.

Mass Effect, the trilogy that could have been but never will be.

It already is a trilogy.

It's three stand alone games tied into a narrative being labelled as a trilogy.

[GreyLycanTrope]

xxskyshadowxx wrote...

Ghost1017 wrote...

devSin wrote...

Oh, yes.

But it's beyond the point now where anything could be done about it.

Mass Effect, the trilogy that could have been but never will be.

It already is a trilogy.

It's three stand alone games tied into a narrative being labelled as a trilogy.

Even that's a stretch ME2 might as well not have been part of the narrative.

[Pain87]

Hate is a strong word....but i don´t like it after all and the ME Triology is unplayable for me:(

[tvman099]

Not just the ending, pretty much most of the game.

[Shaigunjoe]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Let's also remember why people came here in the first place-ads and hype that ended up not being true at the end. I think some people wanted a sign that things could change and that Bioware might have learned to be more accurate in reflecting what was in due to be released games after what happened with ME3.

But then there's this-the description of ME3 for the WiiU in the EA store:

• Interactive Storytelling - Mass Effect 3 plunges you into an emotional sci-fi story unlike any other where each decision you make will completely shape your experience and the outcome of a galaxy-wide war for survival.

• Unleash a Customizable Arsenal - Build your character and squad with dozens of unique weapons and abilities, each with powerful upgrades and modifications.

• class-Based Co-operative Multiplayer Missions - Fight the war alongside your friends in four-player co-op missions. Choose from a variety of races and classes and combine your skills to overcome overwhelming odds. Your success can have an impact on the outcome of your single-player experience.

• Adrenaline-Pumping Gameplay - Feel every bullet impact, roll into cover, and unleash devastating heavy weapons in an intense and pulse-pounding action-shooter game.


You don't completely shape anything especially not the outcome.
Coop multiplayer? No, it's horde mode. Coop in every other game I've played means actually going through missions together, not fighting against horde waves. That's actually called horde mode in other games.
Wow, all the heavy weapons-there are so many in the game it's just amazing. You get to use like maybe 3 or 4 of them for one or two shots.

You do realize that horde mode is co op multiplayer right?  It certainly doesn't sound like you do.

[ReinRaus]

zioninzion wrote...

ReinRaus wrote...

iiNOMADii wrote...

ReinRaus wrote...

I like the endings after the EC came out. I loved the game until the endings before EC.

One thing I don't really understand is, why do people who hate the game hang out in this forum? I am not trying to judge you or anything, I just don't simply understand :/

You know, I would much rather be playing the Mass Effect series instead of being on the forums all the time,  But the thing of it is, ME3 ruined the trilogy (at least at this point, anyway) for me.  I can't imagine restarting the series now because of all the things that resulted in ME3, and it's not just the ending, either, that's just one (albeit large) complaint I have with ME3. 

I'm still here because I still have a profound love for the series, but I can't 'participate' in that by playing the games anymore, as unfortunate as it sounds.  So here I am, reading threads about how much the game sucked and why, etc.  I don't try to be spiteful or anything like that, I just feel...eh...about the series now, so instead of playing the games and getting enjoyment out of it, here I am.

But do you enjoy hanging out in this forum and reading threads about how the game sucks?

Not that anyone cares what I personally do but...i use these forums to debate the endings and why I personally think its not the real end of the ending (not to be confused with wanted BW to change the ending). I dont like the forums to say the game sucks. Because I dont think it does. But I think a passionate fan base can keep the hopes alive that the series will continue.

I understand that you can hate the endings and debate about it. I am talking about those who hate the whole game and still hang around this forum just to tell everybody how much the game sucks.

[cshaff]

I don't hate it, I have a mild dislike and moderate disappointment.  I love the games though.  Mass Effect 3 is my favorite to play.  Especially the dialog - to paraphrase one of my favorite lines -

Stand in the ashes of thousands of disappointed fans and ask "Does artistic integrity matter", the silence in your answer.

[puppy maclove]

Still hate the endings.
ME3 was a disappointment in general for me.
Endings make the entire series null and void for me.

The reason I still hang around the forums - I hope ME4 can somehow salvage the series for me but I seriously doubt it.

[Femlob]

Do people still hate it?

Yup.

[zioninzion]

jlmaclachlan wrote...

Still hate the endings.
ME3 was a disappointment in general for me.
Endings make the entire series null and void for me.

The reason I still hang around the forums - I hope ME4 can somehow salvage the series for me but I seriously doubt it.

Keep the fath and hold the line!

[malakim2099]

Not hate, just bitter disappointment.

It's like you go to a restaurant, and the meals are just utterly divine, I mean really, the best you've ever had. And then you get the dessert, and it's this festering pile of ####. And that just taints everything that came before it.

[CrazyRah]

I still very much do dislike the endings but i've mostly moved on and spend time doing other things

[D1ck1e]

Age does not diminish the extreme disappointment of having a scoop of ice cream fall from the cone.

[3DandBeyond]

Shaigunjoe wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Let's also remember why people came here in the first place-ads and hype that ended up not being true at the end. I think some people wanted a sign that things could change and that Bioware might have learned to be more accurate in reflecting what was in due to be released games after what happened with ME3.

But then there's this-the description of ME3 for the WiiU in the EA store:

• Interactive Storytelling - Mass Effect 3 plunges you into an emotional sci-fi story unlike any other where each decision you make will completely shape your experience and the outcome of a galaxy-wide war for survival.

• Unleash a Customizable Arsenal - Build your character and squad with dozens of unique weapons and abilities, each with powerful upgrades and modifications.

• class-Based Co-operative Multiplayer Missions - Fight the war alongside your friends in four-player co-op missions. Choose from a variety of races and classes and combine your skills to overcome overwhelming odds. Your success can have an impact on the outcome of your single-player experience.

• Adrenaline-Pumping Gameplay - Feel every bullet impact, roll into cover, and unleash devastating heavy weapons in an intense and pulse-pounding action-shooter game.


You don't completely shape anything especially not the outcome.
Coop multiplayer? No, it's horde mode. Coop in every other game I've played means actually going through missions together, not fighting against horde waves. That's actually called horde mode in other games.
Wow, all the heavy weapons-there are so many in the game it's just amazing. You get to use like maybe 3 or 4 of them for one or two shots.

You do realize that horde mode is co op multiplayer right?  It certainly doesn't sound like you do.

You play it cooperatively, but no one speaks of horde mode being coop in games.  Coop mode in games is where you are cooperatively completing a game mission.

I have an N7 rating nearing 900 on the xbox and maybe half that on the PS3.  I think I do know you play it cooperatively.  But anyone that plays MP in other games knows what coop mode is always taken to mean.  Horde mode isn't something I've ever seen listed as a coop mission.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 28 septembre 2012 - 03:30 .

[Shaigunjoe]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Shaigunjoe wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Let's also remember why people came here in the first place-ads and hype that ended up not being true at the end. I think some people wanted a sign that things could change and that Bioware might have learned to be more accurate in reflecting what was in due to be released games after what happened with ME3.

But then there's this-the description of ME3 for the WiiU in the EA store:

• Interactive Storytelling - Mass Effect 3 plunges you into an emotional sci-fi story unlike any other where each decision you make will completely shape your experience and the outcome of a galaxy-wide war for survival.

• Unleash a Customizable Arsenal - Build your character and squad with dozens of unique weapons and abilities, each with powerful upgrades and modifications.

• class-Based Co-operative Multiplayer Missions - Fight the war alongside your friends in four-player co-op missions. Choose from a variety of races and classes and combine your skills to overcome overwhelming odds. Your success can have an impact on the outcome of your single-player experience.

• Adrenaline-Pumping Gameplay - Feel every bullet impact, roll into cover, and unleash devastating heavy weapons in an intense and pulse-pounding action-shooter game.


You don't completely shape anything especially not the outcome.
Coop multiplayer? No, it's horde mode. Coop in every other game I've played means actually going through missions together, not fighting against horde waves. That's actually called horde mode in other games.
Wow, all the heavy weapons-there are so many in the game it's just amazing. You get to use like maybe 3 or 4 of them for one or two shots.

You do realize that horde mode is co op multiplayer right?  It certainly doesn't sound like you do.

You play it cooperatively, but no one speaks of horde mode being coop in games.  Coop mode in games is where you are cooperatively completing a game mission.

I have an N7 rating nearing 900 on the xbox and maybe half that on the PS3.  I think I do know you play it cooperatively.  But anyone that plays MP in other games knows what coop mode is always taken to mean.  Horde mode isn't something I've ever seen listed as a coop mission.

No one speaks of horde mode being co op in games?  Yes, they do.  What you are refering to is typically called co-op campaign.

As for the name horde mode (which is really wave defense), it comes from gears of war 2 (horde mode does, not wave defense in general, that is much older).  How does wikipedia describe Gears of War 2's horde mode?
"Horde is a new co-op mode for five players,"

Modifié par Shaigunjoe, 28 septembre 2012 - 03:45 .

[N7 Lisbeth]

Syfoor wrote...

It was long time since i was away from forums and ME3 in any form, but i just got in and wanted to ask, do people still hate the endings? It may sound silly but endings made game unplayable for me, atleast the single-player mode, MP got me hooked for few weeks. But still i was really disappointed after first two games, loved them. So back to main question again, do people still hate endings as much as they did back in few weeks after launch, did EC reduce the hate or everyone just live with it and move on?

Yes, I still very much "hate" the EC endings. I didn't want clarification, I wanted changes, which means the EC failed to live up to my expectations. Which is a shame, because as others have pointed out, 95% of the game is fine, filled with moments of greatness. But that ending, oof.

I don't mind the Catalyst. I don't mind that he's trying to trick you. I do mind that we can't do anything about it, especially when it violates the themes of all three games -- Yes, even ME3 which preaches diversity not unity, clearly demonstrated when comparing the outcome of the wars of the current cycle and the Prothean cycle if you have From the Ashes. Nevermind the fact that the ending isn't a culmination of what we've done and instead renders everything we've done previously (ME1, ME2, and ME3) completely meaningless.

I'll quote iakas here because I agree with him 100%:

I can't talk to EDI or Legion anymore without feeling guilty about what's in store.

I can't romance anyone, because it will all end in tears.

I can't pretend to be an honorable hero, because I will inevitably have to do something awful to the galaxy, whatever my choices.

Forced tragedy, forced sacrifice, pointless death, it sullied an entire trilogy. And yes, there isn't even a reunion to take the edge off.

^ This pretty much sums it up.

On to your last point: Moving on assumes moving forward, continuing to support the game. In its current state, I can't accept that and never will. I cannot, will not, buy DLC that is rendered meaningless by the endings. This is coming from someone that bought every DLC, even the alternate outfits, for previous games. There's no point to them with the endings as they are. Retake Omega? Okay, poof, endings demolish it. Wow, that was a waste of time. In this case, the destination overrides the journey every time.

And ME4? Not unless ME3 is a dream or it picks up right where it left off. There is no way I'm treating ME3 as it stands as canon without the endings changing. Otherwise I won't support future releases.

Modifié par N7 Lisbeth, 28 septembre 2012 - 04:51 .

[The_Other_M]

Epique Phael767 wrote...

 I could write a college thesis paper on  all of the flaws in this one game.,

^^THIS