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[deuce985]

Do you think they'll have a major role in DA3? It just seems logical they'd have a major part in this war. It's a definite the White Divine in Val Royeaux will be a key player in DA3. Seeing as how Orlais and the Divine will have their hands tied dealing with the uprising with mages, isn't this the time for TI to strike politically?  Wouldn't it be possible they immediately back the mage cause simply because they're more open to practices of forbidden magic?

This will put Val Royeaux directly in the crosshairs for TI and an opportunity to make the Imperial Chantry the dominant verse in Thedas. At the same time, we'll be able to see polar opposite societies and how they actually deal with blood magic. How is TI's society able to survive when we've basically only witnessed atrocities associated with blood magic? Is blood magic always bad? My PC practiced it freely and was a goody-good. We've seen very few instances where it could be controlled and actually used for good(like reviving Carver). Bioware's writing clearly leans towards more bad comes from blood magic than good.

So, here lies another problem, how do the Qunari fit into this? They're currently at war with TI, correct?  How is TI going to muster the manpower to attack Val Royeaux, the White Divine, and the Templar Order?

If this game visited TI and Qunari society, I think it would be a dream come true for me. What do you guys think? How will TI/Qunari fit in DA3?

Modifié par deuce985, 28 septembre 2012 - 03:28 .

[deuce985]

sjpelkessjpeler wrote...

Made a topic on this a few months back and can really see it happen...Think that a black/white divine clash could be a possibility in DA3 in regards to what is going on with the mages and the templars and the opposite stance the divines have in the matter.

The Tevinters are at war with the Qunari so they would not get into conflict openly because they need the manpower at home..It would more be like a guerilla war behind the scenes, offering weapons, money and lyrium to support the mages and templars that took the side of the mages.

Maybe. Or maybe Orlais takes the front to TI's backyard and hits them before they become a major problem. TI was once a glorious and mighty empire. How strong are they today? I know they're nowhere near as large as they use to be but they still have influence in Thedas.

It could two banners in DA3 - White Divine and Templar Order trying to stop the mage rebellions and the Black Divine backing the mage banner. It would seem very stupid to openly attack Orlais but how powerful is TI even in a conflict with Qunari? And how is Qunari going to show themselves in DA3? They can't have unlimited resources. The only reason you saw them in DA2 is because they got shipwrecked.

It just seems logical somebody is going to back that Mage banner and who better to do it than TI?

It isn't like Orlais and their military state in the Templars is unstoppable either. At least one would think. While TI might be at war with the Qunari, Orlais is at war with the mages...so you would think it kinda washes their conflicts out? Although, Qunari are still a mystery as to just how powerful and big they are and where they actually come from.

Is it established anywhere in the lore Orlais is much more powerful than TI? I don't remember readiing anything about that.

[brushyourteeth]

Honestly, from every dealing we've ever had with the TI, though they're hungry for power and influence, I don't see them really caring that much about what happens to other countries, and especially to other mages. Their only interest in this conflict, if they had any, would be to snap up lands or resources while they were easy pickin's (and they'd have to go through Nevarra to get to the Civil War-weakened Orlais).

The Qunari, though, are going to have a big problem with the idea of mage independence, and I could see that being enough motivation for them to get involved. But there again, they'll be clashing with the TI. So the two will probably fighting each other off - a conflict it may be up to us to solve before we can conclude whatever business we're conducting throughout the game.

At the end of "Asunder", Lambert and his men plan to march on the mages in three days' time. Unless DAIII takes place either before or during (unlikely) the novel's events, the fact that we'll be definitely handling mages vs. templars at all kinda shows me that the mages are pretty much winning. Or at least holding their own. Because by all rights, if the templars and seekers succeeded at Andoral's Reach, there shouldn't really be any mages left in DAIII (besides undiscovered children, magisters, apostates, and Tranquil).

[Sable Rhapsody]

I really want to see the Tevinters. Partially because at least in the Dragon Age mythos, BioWare's been pretty good about not painting anyone as strictly evil. It'd be interesting to see the Imperium's take on the mage-templar war that's torn the Chantry apart.

At very least, the weakening of the normal Chantry leaves a power vacuum for the Imperial Chantry to exploit, politically if not militarily. Culd make for a fascinating story.

[Aolbain]

From what we see of Tevinter in Those who Speak it seamd like Orlais without the frech but more mages. Awesome!

Modifié par Aolbain, 28 septembre 2012 - 12:12 .

[MichaelStuart]

The Tevinter Imperium is already at war with the Qunari.
I don't see them starting a another war.

[Sable Rhapsody]

MichaelStuart wrote...

The Tevinter Imperium is already at war with the Qunari.
I don't see them starting a another war.

They don't have to commit troops to use the current chaos to their advantage.  They've got dreamwalkers, blood mages, and probably spies and informants like any government.  Hell, in DA:O they profited from Ferelden's civil war by buying slaves on the cheap from Loghain.  These guys are probably smart and unprincipled enough to gain a lot from the crisis with minimal losses.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 28 septembre 2012 - 12:22 .

[DKJaigen]

The tevinter imperium is modeld after the byzantine empire and like the byzantine empire the tevinter imperium suffers from a major amount of infighting. When a byzantine general or emperor managed to get his empire going in one direction then : **** will get done.

I dont doubt that the tevinter imperium is the same. in the exalted marches they could stand up to the whole of thedas .And they are the only ones that managed to singlehandely drive of the the qunari

[Masha Potato]

RIIIIIISE UP STORMCLOAKS!

wait

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

DKJaigen wrote...

The tevinter imperium is modeld after the byzantine empire and like the byzantine empire the tevinter imperium suffers from a major amount of infighting. When a byzantine general or emperor managed to get his empire going in one direction then : **** will get done.

I dont doubt that the tevinter imperium is the same. in the exalted marches they could stand up to the whole of thedas .And they are the only ones that managed to singlehandely drive of the the qunari

Magister A: I'm feeling rather imperial today. What about you?

Magister B: I too am feeling rather imperial. You! How is the Qunari front?

Minion: Deadlocked.

Magister A: Are you thinking what I'm thinking?

Magister B: I am indeed thinking what you are thinking.

Both:
https://encrypted-tb...VO8QoCYlf6TyQ9d

Modifié par Grand Admiral Cheesecake, 28 septembre 2012 - 12:59 .

[Dirty Whore]

TI and their history and future potential is one of the things that interests me most about DA...without them, none of the current day Thedas events would even be happening. They are responsible for the ascendance of humanity ffs!

the magisters of old were the men who learned and walked beside the old gods, destroyed an entire race and sunk its capital city and even defiled the golden city of the maker... no other culture has had even remotely close to an impact as they have.

Orlesians pfft...

Modifié par Dirty Whore, 28 septembre 2012 - 01:51 .

[brushyourteeth]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

MichaelStuart wrote...

The Tevinter Imperium is already at war with the Qunari.
I don't see them starting a another war.

They don't have to commit troops to use the current chaos to their advantage.  They've got dreamwalkers, blood mages, and probably spies and informants like any government.  Hell, in DA:O they profited from Ferelden's civil war by buying slaves on the cheap from Loghain.  These guys are probably smart and unprincipled enough to gain a lot from the crisis with minimal losses.

That's a great point!

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Moar Tevinter. Easily the most interesting culture in Thedas.

[Dutchess]

It seems likely, and hopefully Tevinter will indeed play an important part in the next game.

[Cultist]

Everyone supporting Blood Magic is worth allying with.

[brushyourteeth]

Cultist wrote...

Everyone supporting Blood Magic is worth allying with.

Demons?

[Plaintiff]

It would be interesting, and no less than what the "White" Chantry deserves.

[Xilizhra]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Cultist wrote...

Everyone supporting Blood Magic is worth allying with.

Demons?

It depends on the demon. But I haven't met one yet who's worse than the templars...

[Plaintiff]

Xilizhra wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

Cultist wrote...

Everyone supporting Blood Magic is worth allying with.

Demons?

It depends on the demon. But I haven't met one yet who's worse than the templars...

"Hmmm... should I choose possible mind-rape with complete loss of autonomy, or possible mind-rape with complete loss of autonomy?"

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Sure they can come and destroy all those magic hating a**holes. Then they may leave....

Modifié par DarkKnightHolmes, 28 septembre 2012 - 03:23 .

[BouncyFrag]

Its light years more compelling than dealing with Orlesian politics, poodles, and fashion. I support this. After DA2, turning the dial of epicness to '11' is in order.

Modifié par BouncyFrag, 28 septembre 2012 - 04:05 .

[The Elder King]

Plaintiff wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

Cultist wrote...

Everyone supporting Blood Magic is worth allying with.

Demons?

It depends on the demon. But I haven't met one yet who's worse than the templars...

"Hmmm... should I choose possible mind-rape with complete loss of autonomy, or possible mind-rape with complete loss of autonomy?"

This. There are a lot of demons worse than templars.
And anyway, Uldred's demon was on par with extremist templars.Oh, and Vengeance isn't exactly a kind one, considering that it was willing to kill a mage, the very people that its host want to protect.
About Tevinter, I'll be glad when I'll have the option to destroy the state. And not because it's ruled by mages, but because its slavery system.

Modifié par hhh89, 28 septembre 2012 - 03:54 .