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[LobselVith8]

The Chantry and the templars have a specific view when it comes to mages, which is why we have the Chantry controlled Circles. The Hero of Ferelden from the Circle of Ferelden can explicitly ask for his Circle of Magi to be freed, get the ruler of Ferelden to publicly agree that mages deserve to govern themselves, and rule the arling of Amaranthine as a high noble - with lesser nobles swearing fealty to him, having command of an army, and governing an entire city. He's a popular mage living outside of the Circle Tower, and one would imagine his actions would have serious ramifications for all the mages in the Circles of Magi.

Needless to say, I'd imagine this national hero would be a cause for concern among some members of the Chantry and the templars, considering he (seemingly) becomes the most powerful Andrastian mage in history (discounting the Imperial Chantry). He's a mage who can obtain military and political power after ending the Blight, which seems to be against Chantry law. Queen Anora will state that people believe he is "blessed by the Maker."

Since the mage and templar conflict is rumored to be addressed to some extent, do you think we might finally get some insight into how the Chantry reacted to the Hero of Ferelden from the Circle of Ferelden?

[Sir JK]

I think I can safely say that this is probably very low priority. After all, the Mage Boon is only one out of 10 possible boons (including none and I'll answer later) and only available to one out of three classes (not to mention that dead wardens don't get boons). For the sake of fairness, give content to one and you need to give content to all. While it'd be nice, very much so, it's not something that makes or breaks the game as such. So like horses, I imagine it's something you wouldn't hear mention of unless they manage to find a spot of time and a good opportunity to bring it in,
Custom content (which is to say more than just a mention of it) is even less likely, for obvious reasons (it has something to do with fractals... so to speak).

So no, I'm sorry Lobsel. I do not think that you will see much or anything changed based on that choice. I fear you might have to resign to the notion that maybe it wasn't as significant an impact as you want it to have been. That either it did not do very much or that it was stopped dead in it's tracks.

That the Chantry said no we already know. But what did the Bannorn say? We all know that virtually no big changes happen in Ferelden without the bannorn having allowed it. Would the bannorn really tolerate the circles being freed and earning the ire of the Chantry and allow an upstart mage becoming one of the bigger movers and shakers in the country. Remember, this group hated Loghain for being a jumped up peasant... just what would they think of a mage. Especially since last time a mage de facto ruled the country was under Meghren (see the Stolen Throne), the Orlesian puppet.
And then what would the Grey Wardens say. They're already furious of the warden involving themselves heavily in internal politics. What would they say about endagering their ties to the Chantry, to Orlais (largest recruitment area I believe) and possibly even to the Anderfels (has a loyalist First Enchanter, so I speculuate a strong Chantry). Or would they demand the Warden to rescind the request or "deal with the matter themselves".

Regardless, if you're really lucky you might hear mention of it. But don't expect it. And even then, it won't turn Ferelden into mage utopia. If there's a change, it'll be a small one.
But I agree it'd be nice.

Besides... do the boons even have Import Flags?

[Eveangaline]

That'd be pretty interesting, I'd actually love to see that. If you import it, maybe a mention that Ferelden has become a haven for runaway mages

[Palipride47]

Eveangaline wrote...

That'd be pretty interesting, I'd actually love to see that. If you import it, maybe a mention that Ferelden has become a haven for runaway mages

Meredith (if you have King Alistair) mentions that mages are running away to Fereldan (even w/o) mage Warden

[LobselVith8]

Sir JK wrote...

I think I can safely say that this is probably very low priority. After all, the Mage Boon is only one out of 10 possible boons (including none and I'll answer later) and only available to one out of three classes (not to mention that dead wardens don't get boons).

Actually, the Dalish get the Hinterlands if the Dalish Warden dies against the Archdemon Urthemiel, and the Circle of Ferelden is given its independence if the Surana or Amell Warden perishes at the conclusion of the Battle of Denerim; the royal boons happen even if The Warden dies.

Sir JK wrote...

For the sake of fairness, give content to one and you need to give content to all. While it'd be nice, very much so, it's not something that makes or breaks the game as such. So like horses, I imagine it's something you wouldn't hear mention of unless they manage to find a spot of time and a good opportunity to bring it in,
Custom content (which is to say more than just a mention of it) is even less likely, for obvious reasons (it has something to do with fractals... so to speak).

So no, I'm sorry Lobsel. I do not think that you will see much or anything changed based on that choice. I fear you might have to resign to the notion that maybe it wasn't as significant an impact as you want it to have been. That either it did not do very much or that it was stopped dead in it's tracks.

I don't dispute that it's unlikely that the developers will incorporate the ramifications of the Magi Boon into Dragon Age III after seeing how the developers have marginalized and handwaved so many outcomes, plots, and even deaths. That said, I think it's unrealistic that a mage who becomes a national hero and asks for the Circle of Ferelden to be given its independence (with the new ruler making the proclamation that the Circle would be free) wouldn't have consequences across the Andrastian nations.

Sir JK wrote...

That the Chantry said no we already know. But what did the Bannorn say? We all know that virtually no big changes happen in Ferelden without the bannorn having allowed it. Would the bannorn really tolerate the circles being freed and earning the ire of the Chantry and allow an upstart mage becoming one of the bigger movers and shakers in the country. Remember, this group hated Loghain for being a jumped up peasant... just what would they think of a mage. Especially since last time a mage de facto ruled the country was under Meghren (see the Stolen Throne), the Orlesian puppet.

Cullen lost his sanity and the independent Circle of Orzammar isn't created as a consequence of the Magi Boon, so it was originally intended to have transpired. Even the US Ending has Greagoir capitulate to the new ruler of Ferelden saying that the new Circle Tower would be handed over to the mages, so the Bannorn don't seem to have played any role in the decision.

With the recton that the Magi Boon was turned down by the Chantry, the last time a mage ruled (post-Magi Boon and post-Dragon Age II) was with the Hero of Ferelden becoming the new Arl of Amaranthine, where he governs the City of Amaranthine, commands an entire army, and leads the nation's order of Grey Wardens.

Sir JK wrote...

And then what would the Grey Wardens say. They're already furious of the warden involving themselves heavily in internal politics. What would they say about endagering their ties to the Chantry, to Orlais (largest recruitment area I believe) and possibly even to the Anderfels (has a loyalist First Enchanter, so I speculuate a strong Chantry). Or would they demand the Warden to rescind the request or "deal with the matter themselves".

Actually, Mistress Woolsey points out that the First Warden likes the precedent that Amaranthine establishes with Wardens being important outside of the Blight, and this supports what Ridordian says about how the Anderfel Wardens behave (because the Anderfels have a weak King).

Sir JK wrote...

Regardless, if you're really lucky you might hear mention of it. But don't expect it. And even then, it won't turn Ferelden into mage utopia. If there's a change, it'll be a small one.
But I agree it'd be nice.

Besides... do the boons even have Import Flags?

Yes, they do.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

I always imagine the Chantry got butt hurt secretly but don't want to say anything because they know the people love him/her far too much to turn against them.

[Eveangaline]

It'd also be cool to see the reaction to the dalish wardens request. A bunch of heathens settling down in one place? Time for a march!

[Nashimura]

"Magic is to serve man but never rule over him" Seems to be utterly smashed with this.

[Shadow Fox]

Frankly I'd be more interested in hearing how the Wardens reacted to King/Queen Cousland or how Ferelden/Thedas at large reacted to an elf becoming a noble.

[LobselVith8]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Frankly I'd be more interested in hearing how the Wardens reacted to King/Queen Cousland or how Ferelden/Thedas at large reacted to an elf becoming a noble.

Well, the Surana Warden from the Circle of Ferelden is an elf. 

[Xilizhra]

Needless to say, I'd imagine this national hero would be a cause for concern among some members of the Chantry and the templars, considering he (seemingly) becomes the most powerful Andrastian mage in history (discounting the Imperial Chantry). He's a mage who can obtain military and political power after ending the Blight, which seems to be against Chantry law. Queen Anora will state that people believe he is "blessed by the Maker."

In a game series that had a continuing single protagonist, or one where the Warden was always a mage, I would agree with you. As it is, however, it seems likely that Bioware is trying to brush the Warden under the rug due to a staggering number of import choice possibilities. I think the Chantry would try to brush it aside as well, focusing on it as a Grey Warden ruling and not a mage, playing down the significance of the mage side so as not to give any other mages ideas.

[Vandicus]

Given that the Warden is missing as of the beginning of the mage-templar war, I imagine the Chantry is very unconcerned about him/her at the moment.

Furthermore, since we presume DA:I to be following DA2 in the timeline, any issue that might have arose happened so long ago as to probably not warrant mention, especially considering that we don't have an indication that Fereldan is one of the nations of focus.

[Mr_Steph]

It would be nice, but I doubt it will happen.

[Dirgegun]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Expect the expected...DA3 will have a lot of plot holes, contradictions and retconings...

Let see, if the Warden is an Amell, Champion of Kirkwall is also an Amell, is that making Amell family have something to do with something?

Warden is a Mage from Amell family, Anders is Mage Grey Warden hanging out with Hawke an Amell, Anders blow up the Chantry and spark the Templar-Mage War

Edit : In DA:O Trailers, the Warden have firery sword, indicating he is an Arcane Warrior

Edit 2: DA2 is 100% on Varric account, can't we connect the dots with Amell family? Surely the Chantry will take interest in the Amell after knowing it from Varric

Why must Hawke is an Amell in the first place? Why not a Cousland?

I always figured the Warden from the trailers was a Cousland with an enchanted! sword. 

I think I remember a Bioware dev even said that they felt the human noble felt 'more canon' than the others, and was a little irritated at that fact, because they wanted all the Origins to be equal. 

As for the Amell connection? It was probably just meant to be a little nod to the Human Mage players, and not something to say "All human mages are canon, sorry warriors, rogues and elves!"

Modifié par Dirgegun, 13 octobre 2012 - 04:39 .

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Dirgegun wrote...

I always figured the Warden from the trailers was a Cousland with an enchanted! sword.

I'm always wondered about this. Has Bioware ever confirmed the Warden in the trailer was a human noble? Because I question why his eyes start to glow at the start of some trailers.

[Fallstar]

It's certainly interesting. Having an elven, Warden mage with that much political clout might at least make some people start to question the prejudice and discrimination with which they treat whatever the Chantry tells them to.

[Knight of Dane]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Sir JK wrote...

Regardless, if you're really lucky you might hear mention of it. But don't expect it. And even then, it won't turn Ferelden into mage utopia. If there's a change, it'll be a small one.
But I agree it'd be nice.

Besides... do the boons even have Import Flags?

Yes, they do.

The Dalish, the Magi and the Counsilor boon does. The Orzammar aid and the City Elf Boons doesn't. 

[Knight of Dane]

Nizaris1 wrote...

I always figured the Warden from the trailers was a Cousland with an enchanted! sword.

Enchanted sword always glow, the one the Warden in the trailer use is activated, so it is not enchanted sword. He's an Arcane Warrior

Isn't it suspicious...right after Solona Amell (Mage Warden) becomes the Hero of Ferelden, Anders who come from Ferelden a mage Grey Warden planning to blow up the Chantry, he also associated with the Amell...take a note that Varric DIDN'T witness everything, so the part where Varric is not in the party is considered just a make up by Varric

There is a conspiracy...

Except that the trailer Warden has been referred to as "Malcom Cousland" before.

[Shadow Fox]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Dirgegun wrote...

I always figured the Warden from the trailers was a Cousland with an enchanted! sword.

I'm always wondered about this. Has Bioware ever confirmed the Warden in the trailer was a human noble? Because I question why his eyes start to glow at the start of some trailers.

I assumed it was the taint.