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[Eveangaline]

Running an anti-magic faction when you yourself are a mage wouldn't make much sense, if only because they probably wouldn't let you be in it since they'd think you should be in the circle

So....maybe you only start as an inquisitor if you're playing a rogue or warrior, and if you're a mage, you're on the run from inquisitors? 

[thats1evildude]

Perhaps the mage has rightfully seen that their powers are a curse and wish to purge Thedas of this evil?

In the webcomic Girl Genius, the world is ruled by unusually gifted mad scientists referred to as Sparks. One of these Sparks, Othar Tryggvassen, is determined to kill every last one of them, including himself, because he sees the damage that Sparks have inflicted on the world. He's a perfect example of how I would play such a character (though perhaps slightly less insane than Othar).

Modifié par thats1evildude, 28 septembre 2012 - 06:39 .

[Eveangaline]

thats1evildude wrote...

Perhaps the mage has rightfully seen that their powers are a curse and wish to purge Thedas of this evil?

In the webcomic Girl Genius, the world is ruled by unusually gifted mad scientists referred to as Sparks. One of these Sparks, Othar Tryggvassen, is determined to kill every last one of them, including himself, because he sees the damage that Sparks have inflicted on the world. He's a perfect example of how I would play such a character (though perhaps slightly less insane than Othar).

I can understand a mage wanting to do that, I cannot understand the order letting them join in any high rank, let alone one of the highest. Unless they kept their magic a secret, which would be diffucult to do in an order who's job includes sniffing out mages

[thats1evildude]

The position could be awarded based on their actions. Hawke can become the Champion despite being a mage; why couldn't the Inquisitor rise to his/her position through some equally impressive action, like saving Empress Celene from assassins?

Of course, this assumes that the Inquisition will be some zealous anti-mage organization. What I've heard suggests otherwise.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 28 septembre 2012 - 06:47 .

[Plaintiff]

There is no evidence that the Inquisition of DA3 will be an anti-mage faction.

I doubt very much that Bioware is going to make two separate games and sell them for the price of one.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 28 septembre 2012 - 06:47 .

[Eveangaline]

thats1evildude wrote...

The position could be awarded based on their actions. Hawke can become the Champion despite being a mage; why couldn't the Inquisitor rise to his/her position through some equally impressive action, like saving Empress Celene from assassins?

Of course, this assumes that the Inquisition will be some zealous anti-mage organization. What I've heard suggests otherwise.

Hawke could become the champion of kirkwall, kirkwall is a city, not an anti-mage faction. Kirkwall was full of people who were mage sympathisers or didn't care one way or the other. An anti-mage faction would not be.

What have you heard? I thought the info out on it was that it was an anti-mage faction that joined the chantry, and eventually became the templars

[thats1evildude]

Sure, that was the old Inquisition. But the rumour is that the new organization is about rooting out a conspiracy trying to bring the world to ruin.

[Eveangaline]

thats1evildude wrote...

Sure, that was the old Inquisition. But the rumour is that the new organization is about rooting out a conspiracy trying to bring the world to ruin.

Well if they've got an entirely different purpose, why use the same name? That just makes our character seem lazy

[Plaintiff]

Eveangaline wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

Sure, that was the old Inquisition. But the rumour is that the new organization is about rooting out a conspiracy trying to bring the world to ruin.

Well if they've got an entirely different purpose, why use the same name? That just makes our character seem lazy

Why does anything share a name with anything?

"Inquisition" is just a fancy word for "Investigation". The religious connotations of the term are purely circumstantial.

[jkflipflopDAO]

Plaintiff wrote...

There is no evidence that the Inquisition of DA3 will be an anti-mage faction.

I doubt very much that Bioware is going to make two separate games and sell them for the price of one.

I don't doubt at all the EAware would split and sell one game twice if they thought they could get away with it.

Modifié par jkflipflopDAO, 28 septembre 2012 - 07:44 .

[Plaintiff]

jkflipflopDAO wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

There is no evidence that the Inquisition of DA3 will be an anti-mage faction.

I doubt very much that Bioware is going to make two separate games and sell them for the price of one.

I don't doubt at all the EAware would split and sell one game twice if they thought they could get away with it.

Which isn't applicable to this scenario. If mages play through a completely different campaign from warriors and rogues, then it's two different games.

[Fyurian2]

thats1evildude wrote...

The position could be awarded based on their actions. Hawke can become the Champion despite being a mage

Becoming Champion of Kirkwall as an Apostate Mage isn't as big a deal as becoming Viscount as an Apostate Mage, since becoming the new Viscount requires Templar support.
Afterall, Hawke became Champion by saving Kirkwall from the Qunari and defeating the Arishok in combat. The Templars had no say in whether or not Hawke was allowed to be titled as the Champion. If anything objecting could have increased opposition to both the Templars and Meredith, politically speaking.

[The Night Haunter]

We have no idea who the Inquisition is and what they do. Assuming they are evil mage hunters is rather silly.

Scenario:
Since the Templars broke away from the Chantry Justina V decides to create a new organization, the Inquisition. The duty of the inquisition is to peacefully resolve the dispute with the mages, granting them new freedoms and self-determination because thats what Justina seems to believe in. Along the way the Templars (now rogue) decide that isnt good, so they attack BOTH the Inquisition and the Mages, so you have to team up to defeat the Templars.

Thats one random scenario I came up with in 10 sec that doesn't have the Inquisition being evil mage hunters. Jumping to conclusions is silly. /thread

[henkez3]

The Inquisition's role in DA3 might be to investigate heresy, threats to the chantry and so on. Being a mage does not equal being a heretic or a threat to the chantry. "Magic is to serve man, not rule it". So why not serve the chantry?

EDIT: Also, if the chantry has really lost control of the templars, they might as well be considered a threat to the chantry. The chantry does seem to want to find a peaceful solution, militant templars would not help the chantry there.

Modifié par henkez3, 28 septembre 2012 - 09:44 .

[Ausstig]

Plaintiff wrote...

Eveangaline wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

Sure, that was the old Inquisition. But the rumour is that the new organization is about rooting out a conspiracy trying to bring the world to ruin.

Well if they've got an entirely different purpose, why use the same name? That just makes our character seem lazy

Why does anything share a name with anything?

"Inquisition" is just a fancy word for "Investigation". The religious connotations of the term are purely circumstantial.

Also "Seeker" is not as cool. 

Also the first Inquisition was not a Chantry organisation, they were just guys and gals who went around smiting evil and dishing out

HOT SERVES OF FLAMING JUSTICE!!!! 

Sorry, ah hem, so maybe the name reprents that, ordinary people fighting injustice and evil.

Thedas is not our word, where inquistion has, very, very unjustly, negative contations. 

[Eveangaline]

Plaintiff wrote...

There is no evidence that the Inquisition of DA3 will be an anti-mage faction.

I doubt very much that Bioware is going to make two separate games and sell them for the price of one.

I didn't mean to imply it would be literally split and sold as different games, just that the gamepaths would be so wildly divergent they would seem like different games.

[Medhia Nox]

Forum-goers turned the Chantry into an Anti-Magic faction.

Not even the Templars are "Anti-Magic" - since they use it... to control other mages.

The game isn't Non-Magic vs. Magic - the game is (Potentially - I actually don't know) Libertarian Terrorist Andersians ... vs. Psychotic Templar Fascist Mirandanians vs. Sane and Rational People.

I intend to willingly play a mage-hunting mage. Mages need to be controlled - ideally by themselves, but much like the police... they need an internal affairs or they become grossly corrupted.

Get in line or get Tranquilized.

[Wulfram]

Having different "campaigns" would be an interesting thing for an RPG to do. Strategy games do it, or at least they did when I played them more.

But it would inevitably mean that each campaign would be a lot shorter.

[Eveangaline]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Forum-goers turned the Chantry into an Anti-Magic faction.

Not even the Templars are "Anti-Magic" - since they use it... to control other mages.

The game isn't Non-Magic vs. Magic - the game is (Potentially - I actually don't know) Libertarian Terrorist Andersians ... vs. Psychotic Templar Fascist Mirandanians vs. Sane and Rational People.

I intend to willingly play a mage-hunting mage. Mages need to be controlled - ideally by themselves, but much like the police... they need an internal affairs or they become grossly corrupted.

Get in line or get Tranquilized.

I have no problem with someone being a mage who's a mage hunter. I have a problem with a mage hunting organization letting a mage join and become highly ranked

[unbentbuzzkill]

it could be that the inquisitors might just be a faction investigating the events in DA3 therefore it wouldn't matter if they are a mage or not.

[Medhia Nox]

@Eveangaline: But all Internal Affairs Officers..... are still cops.

And there's still no guarantee that it's a "Mage Hunting Organization".

[EricHVela]

We don't know what the story is.

The protagonist might be working for the Inquisition. The protagonist might be the target of the Inquisition. The protagonist might be hunting the Inquisition members. (All of those at the same time is also a possibility.)

Heck. It could be that the game simply takes place in a sadomasochism pleasure palace that the locals merely call "Inquisition".

I would bet that they've found a way for player to play mostly the same game and still have their own sentiments towards mages, templars and the Chantry. (I could lose such a bet, but at this time, I would wager on it.)

[ElitePinecone]

Eveangaline wrote...

Running an anti-magic faction when you yourself are a mage wouldn't make much sense, if only because they probably wouldn't let you be in it since they'd think you should be in the circle

So....maybe you only start as an inquisitor if you're playing a rogue or warrior, and if you're a mage, you're on the run from inquisitors? 

This Inquisition is not necessarily anti-mage - it has different targets and motivations. 

Edit: Well, according to the marketing survey.

The player leads the Inquisition, and the player can be a mage - we have to assume they aren't making wildly different campaigns based on that. 

Modifié par ElitePinecone, 28 septembre 2012 - 05:02 .

[Heimdall]

Eveangaline wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

Forum-goers turned the Chantry into an Anti-Magic faction.

Not even the Templars are "Anti-Magic" - since they use it... to control other mages.

The game isn't Non-Magic vs. Magic - the game is (Potentially - I actually don't know) Libertarian Terrorist Andersians ... vs. Psychotic Templar Fascist Mirandanians vs. Sane and Rational People.

I intend to willingly play a mage-hunting mage. Mages need to be controlled - ideally by themselves, but much like the police... they need an internal affairs or they become grossly corrupted.

Get in line or get Tranquilized.

I have no problem with someone being a mage who's a mage hunter. I have a problem with a mage hunting organization letting a mage join and become highly ranked

There's no evidence that this is the case...

[RedWulfi]

In DAO not everyone knew you were a warden. And yet no one questioned you on using magic if you were a mage.
In DA2 Cullen (Quoting) said: Mages cannot be treated like people. They are not like you and me.
And that was after you saved him from the possessed templar.
Im sure they can come up with a reasonable explanation why a mage inquisitor is roaming around.