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[wright1978]

Terrorize69 wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

Serving the Divine is in no way neutral.

The Divine wants peace, that is pretty neutral.

No the devine wants what's in the interest of the Chantry which is why i say, not neutral.

[ImperatorMortis]

Terrorize69 wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

Intrigued how this whole inquisition thing is going to play out. I'd assume it would have to be neutral but the name does not at all suggest neutrality.

They are mostly neutral I assume. When they were formed they were on their own, they only joined the Chantry later. 

I imagine that they'd be a morally ambiguous group like the Grey Wardens, but with less Dark Spawn blood. 

Do not be put of by the name, that does suggest one sided torture etc. An Inquisitor is normally an agent of a relgious group, in this case the Chantry and the Divine. The Templars are now mostly seperated from this the Chantry.

So yes the Inquisitor would be neutral in the conflict, serving only the Divine. Ofcourse this can easily change by your choices and actions during the game.

Serving the Divine is in no way neutral.

The Divine wants peace, that is pretty neutral.

Yeah they only want peace.. AND THE SUBJUGGATION OF MAH PEOPLE!! (Mages)

Oh, and all the Lyrium. 

Modifié par ImperatorMortis, 16 octobre 2012 - 10:37 .

[Terrorize69]

wright1978 wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

Serving the Divine is in no way neutral.

The Divine wants peace, that is pretty neutral.

No the devine wants what's in the interest of the Chantry which is why i say, not neutral.

True but the interest of the Chantry is peace, hence neutral (for now).

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Yeah they only want peace.. AND THE SUBJUGGATION OF MAH PEOPLE!! (Mages)

Oh, and all the Lyrium. 

I think the Chantry is in too bad a state to do that now and after the Templars disowned them, I'm sure there views on mages went up lol

[Huntress]

Plaintiff wrote...

There is no evidence that the Inquisition of DA3 will be an anti-mage faction.

I doubt very much that Bioware is going to make two separate games and sell them for the price of one.

I dought very much that Thedas will have 2 faction under the same name but going different ways.. err frk I am so f lost now meh!

Exemple:
1) The Inquisition was a group of people who got power after the First Blight, they fought mages-blood-mages-apostates-demons blah blah blah.
2) The inquisition accept mages because .. is normal to be a mage and ok to be blood mage within the order because you're working for the good of Thedas? then whats wrong with the tevinter blood-mages? are they good too?
I bet 10000 gold coins Fenris will freak out when he hears the good news?

many things in this Da3 doesn't make sense at all, I can only hope Bioware give more info about this.

Modifié par Huntress, 16 octobre 2012 - 11:03 .

[Eveangaline]

Terrorize69 wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

Serving the Divine is in no way neutral.

The Divine wants peace, that is pretty neutral.

No the devine wants what's in the interest of the Chantry which is why i say, not neutral.

True but the interest of the Chantry is peace, hence neutral (for now).

The interest of the Chantry is to spread their religion, if peace helps that sure, but if you find some heathen elves building a country it's time to march on them. Weren't there like 2 things you could do in origins that caused them to consider marching on the dwarves in a war?

[Terrorize69]

Huntress wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

There is no evidence that the Inquisition of DA3 will be an anti-mage faction.

I doubt very much that Bioware is going to make two separate games and sell them for the price of one.

I dought very much that Thedas will have 2 faction under the same name but going different ways.. err frk I am so f lost now meh!

Exemple:
1) The Inquisition was a group of people who got power after the First Blight, they fought mages-blood-mages-apostates-demons blah blah blah.
2) The inquisition accept mages because .. is normal to be a mage and ok to be blood mage within the order because you're working for the good of Thedas? then whats wrong with the tevinter blood-mages? are they good too?

many things in this Da3 doesn't make sense at all, I can only hope Bioware give more info about this.

Both the Templars and the Circle are no longer under Chantry and Divine rule. Making the Inquisitor neutral in the conflict as the only faction left that is allied to the Divine are the seekers, who police BOTH Templars and Mages, or did.

Now the Seekers have one role, to secure the survival of the Chantry and bringing about peace. The Inquisition will be allied to neither faction. Atleast not from the start and not without the Inquisitors choices and influence.

[Terrorize69]

Eveangaline wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

Serving the Divine is in no way neutral.

The Divine wants peace, that is pretty neutral.

No the devine wants what's in the interest of the Chantry which is why i say, not neutral.

True but the interest of the Chantry is peace, hence neutral (for now).

The interest of the Chantry is to spread their religion, if peace helps that sure, but if you find some heathen elves building a country it's time to march on them. Weren't there like 2 things you could do in origins that caused them to consider marching on the dwarves in a war?

The thing is although, alot of mages, human atleast. Believe in the Maker etc, the Chantry does not need to convert them. They follow their beliefes, but have different views on the powers they are born with, either curse or gift.

The only advantage Templars have in the eyes of the Chantry is that they are all human, and all follow the Maker. Where as only most mages do.

But yes, in the state the Chantry is in, it's only hope for survival is peace. At any costs. Which could mean a great compromise for mages.

[Abraham_uk]

Templars as I recall are not an anti-mage faction.
Templars want to controll the mages. That is their purpose.

Mages are useful weapons of war. If your army doesn't have a reserve of mages under it's wing, then your army is in big trouble, because enemy armies will probably be using mages.

If you're trying to deal with criminals (with mages amongst them), you're in trouble.
Templars are themselves mages of some sort.



No if you're talking of an anti-mage faction, then that faction isn't made up of an order of mage controlling psudo mages. We're talking about an order that outright goes out of it's way to kill all mages and make all magic illegal. That is an anti-magic stance.

If you want an interesting mage domination faction go for Templars.


If you want an anti-magic faction... Well one hasn't yet been introduced (I don't think. But I haven't played Dragon Age 2).

[Terrorize69]

Abraham_uk wrote...

Templars as I recall are not an anti-mage faction.
Templars want to controll the mages. That is their purpose.

Mages are useful weapons of war. If your army doesn't have a reserve of mages under it's wing, then your army is in big trouble, because enemy armies will probably be using mages.

If you're trying to deal with criminals (with mages amongst them), you're in trouble.
Templars are themselves mages of some sort.



No if you're talking of an anti-mage faction, then that faction isn't made up of an order of mage controlling psudo mages. We're talking about an order that outright goes out of it's way to kill all mages and make all magic illegal. That is an anti-magic stance.

If you want an interesting mage domination faction go for Templars.


If you want an anti-magic faction... Well one hasn't yet been introduced (I don't think. But I haven't played Dragon Age 2).

Since the events of DA2, Templars are now an anti-mage faction in all out war. No longer part of the Chantry.

Modifié par Terrorize69, 16 octobre 2012 - 11:17 .

[Terrorize69]

Faerunner wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

But yes, in the state the Chantry is in, it's only hope for survival is peace. At any costs. Which could mean a great compromise for mages.

It's not a compromise when only one side has to give.

Peace in exchange for freedom for mages. One gains freedom, one gains survival.

"Life is a negotiation. We all want. We all give. To get what we want."

[Androme]

 *Sigh* Why does people seem to have a problem with a Mage Inquisitor? Fully possible, realistic and explainable, if he or she has earned the trust of the rest of the Inquisition order, then why not? + it's desperate times, and if a powerful and promising Mage shows up and says: Hey, chantry, I'm not a Mage hell-bent on the destruction of the Chantry as we know it, plus I've been working with the chantry for quite some time now! Make me the Inquisitor!

Modifié par Androme, 17 octobre 2012 - 12:16 .

[Terrorize69]

Faerunner wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

Faerunner wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

But yes, in the state the Chantry is in, it's only hope for survival is peace. At any costs. Which could mean a great compromise for mages.

It's not a compromise when only one side has to give.

Peace in exchange for freedom for mages. One gains freedom, one gains survival.

"Life is a negotiation. We all want. We all give. To get what we want."

Do you really think the Chantry's just going to let them walk free after the tight hold they've had on them for centuries? Based on their track record, the Chantry doesn't strike me as promoting a "live and let live" type of peace so much as a "do what I tell you and I won't kill you," type of peace.

Remember the conquer and conversion of the Dales? Remember the lyrium addiction of templars? Remember the monopoly the Chantry holds over the lyrium trade that both mages and templars rely on? Remember the Exalted March the Divine considers leading against Orzammar if Burkel's attempt at converting fails and/or Dagna sets up a place of study outside of Chantry scrutiny? (Depending on whether you help them in their quests or not.)

The Chantry doesn't care about peace as much as control. They want to control the templars, the mages and the beliefs of the common citizens. If you don't convert, if you don't submit, if you don't follow their instructions, they cut you down.

They've already walked free, and there defenders (Templars) have abandoned them. The Chantry is a husk of its former self on the verge of collapse. They have little control over anything now, they know in order to survive they will need to change and broker peace. The Seekers alone will not be able to prevent the fall of the Chantry otherwise.

The circle is broken. The Templars are rouge. The common people, most likely lossing faith in the cross-fire.

The Chantry is no longer a dominate power, to survive it will be forced to take drastic measures. Even if that would include a peace treaty with mages.

[Terrorize69]

Androme wrote...

 *Sigh* Why does people seem to have a problem with a Mage Inquisitor? Fully possible, realistic and explainable, if he or she has earned the trust of the rest of the Inquisition order, then why not? + it's desperate times, and if a powerful and promising Mage shows up and says: Hey, chantry, I'm not a Mage hell-bent on the destruction of the Chantry as we know it, plus I've been working with the chantry for quite some time now! Make me the Inquisitor!

^ Pretty much. Desperate times and measures and all that.

Cass pretty much says the Divine and Seekers want peace, and what better way to appeal to the mage faction that the Chantry is willing to change/listen by recruiting mages and allowing one to rise far up in the ranks to that of an Inquisitor.

[ImperatorMortis]

Huntress wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

There is no evidence that the Inquisition of DA3 will be an anti-mage faction.

I doubt very much that Bioware is going to make two separate games and sell them for the price of one.

I dought very much that Thedas will have 2 faction under the same name but going different ways.. err frk I am so f lost now meh!

Exemple:
1) The Inquisition was a group of people who got power after the First Blight, they fought mages-blood-mages-apostates-demons blah blah blah.
2) The inquisition accept mages because .. is normal to be a mage and ok to be blood mage within the order because you're working for the good of Thedas? then whats wrong with the tevinter blood-mages? are they good too?
I bet 10000 gold coins Fenris will freak out when he hears the good news?

many things in this Da3 doesn't make sense at all, I can only hope Bioware give more info about this.

Why doesn't it make sense? Mages are probably the best there is when it comes to hunting Demons, and maleficarum. Especially Demons. 

It would make no sense for the Inquisition to not recruit them. Besides what is it so hard to get? They don't hunt mages in general, they hunt Maleficar(that don't work for them), demons, cultists(like the Dragon Cult in DA:O), etc. 

Also who cares what Fenris thinks.

Bringing up Warhammer 40k again. 



A Psyker(Mage) Inquisitor
 
In Warhammer 40k the Inquisition in all of the orders. 

Ordo Malleus(Demon Hunters)

Ordo Hereticus(Hunters of Cultists, Evil/Rogue Psykers(Mages), and Traitors)

Ordo Xenos(Alien Hunters)

All have a large portion of Psychic(Mage) agents. Especially in the Ordo Malleus(Like 90% of their Inquisitors are Psychics(Mages)). 

It makes perfect reasonable sense for the Inquisitors to actively recruit, and train Mages. 

Modifié par ImperatorMortis, 17 octobre 2012 - 12:39 .

[Abraham_uk]

Can I choose to join the Mage faction?

Or am I forced to play for the Templars?
Are we limited to only playing rogues and warriors?


I want to play as a mage fighting for the mages.
But if the game is rushed, we may not get that choice.

[ImperatorMortis]

Abraham_uk wrote...

Can I choose to join the Mage faction?

Or am I forced to play for the Templars?
Are we limited to only playing rogues and warriors?


I want to play as a mage fighting for the mages.
But if the game is rushed, we may not get that choice.

Most Templars aren't apart of the Chantry anymore so I don't think you have to worry about working for them. 

[Vicious]

The Chantry doesn't care about peace as much as control. They want to control the templars, the mages and the beliefs of the common citizens. If you don't convert, if you don't submit, if you don't follow their instructions, they cut you down.

While historically they are guilty of this, the current Chantry isn't quite the same as it used to be and certainly it isn't as simple as you claim.

For example, Grand Cleric Elthina was genuinely concerned and torn between the 'necessity' of the Templars and the abuse that Mages suffered under them. She blocked an attempted annulment of the Kirkwall Circle and was the voice of peace up until her death. Control was not the issue, or else she would have sided with the Templars and maintained 'control' by slaughtering all the Mages and starting over, as Meredith wanted.

Also please note:

The current divine, Justinia, is a very colorful woman who has strong mage sympathies, as evidenced by the last Dragon Age book, Asunder, where she sends Leliana and Shale to rescue Mages [including Wynne[ held captive by Templars. The Divine even uses herself as a distraction so that the rescue could occur.


So I am failing to see any evidence that you will be forced to work against the Mages. Quite the opposite, in fact, I see a very pro-mage chantry leadership. It is this leadership that appoints the Inquisitor, one to act with near  ultimate authority as the voice of the Divine. 

See, at the end of the book Asunder, the leader of the Seekers of Truth pulls the organization away from the Chantry and joins the Templar order against the Mages. Cassandra, Leliana, and those dudes we saw at the end of DA2? The few loyalists left. 

Modifié par Vicious, 18 octobre 2012 - 01:28 .

[TCBC_Freak]

Unless I missed it we don't even know who's starting this Inquisition. It could be a coalition of national leaders and have nothing to do with the Divine or the Chantry. Heck it could even be your character that starts it on their own initiative and then has to build support for it. It could be started by a group of Mages and Templar who both want to stop the Mage Rebels and Templar Fanatics from getting everyone killed. Like moderates from both groups who have come together to oppose the actions of the radicals in said groups.

[xsamplexample]

 YES definately.  i was hoping they would do something like this... after all, i thought they read these forums.

I think DA3 should have a beginning that is similar to Origins; Mages have a different beginning than, say, a chantry warrior.  I want variation! Replayability!