82 réponses à ce sujet

[Dave of Canada]

Have to give credit to Reddit, though. I don't like them but they don't get into a hissy fit about everything unlike Tumblr, they just have fits half the time.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 29 septembre 2012 - 12:05 .

[nijnij]

She may have facial hair but her courage, integrity and eloquence give her bewbz THIS big IMO. Food for thought, thanks for sharing.

Modifié par nijnij, 29 septembre 2012 - 12:23 .

[Fast Jimmy]

If everyone who was ridiculed responded in the same respectful, informative and method that is consistent with their stated goal of making the world a better place, I'd wager the world would be a very different place.

Being pessimistic about the original poster's apology is kind of missing the point - he would have felt no compulsion to do so if they girl had went on a tirade, calling people ignorant for making fun of he for religious reasons, or if she had run to the press, letting herself be a victim. The way she handled herself was both a reflection of ideals and a lesson in how to respond when people aren't being as kind as any of us would wish if the shoe was on the other foot.

[Dominus]

And I think there's a great deal to be learned from this situation. Particularly that if you let people "get to you", they win. I'm not going to go all afterschool special or anything, but as long as you respect your own code of ethics/lifestyle, there's no good reason to let others bully you. Be yourself and like yourself.

http://bit.ly/O78sYA

[Addai]

Sion1138 wrote...
Of course. 

But, you don't see an issue with an individual being forced to suffer because of imposed beliefs? 

And don't even dare say she is perfectly fine. She's not. No one human on this planet is immune to ridicule, which she most probably had to deal with her entire life. Not to even mention completely closing the doors on reason and understanding.

Well, as long as her god is happy with torment...

Do you exercise?  Then you know that struggle and mastery over it can be not just rewarding, but exhilarating in a way the couch potato will never know.  It's the same idea.

[Costin_Razvan]

Her response shows that she holds true devotion to her religion and the ideals it represents.

I admire her.

[themonty72]

Erik Lehnsherr wrote...

Guys and Gals, stop talking about Religion. The thing is interpretative, people see what they want to in it. If some of you believe that Religion holds people back or makes them stronger through it tgat's fine because in a sense you are both correct, but as I said people see what they want in it. That's why it's their beliefs if anything holds religious people back, it's not the religion it's themselves and religion does give confidence ecetra but that doesn't necessarily mean they need it, so please stop your discussion of the contraversal topic, I'm glad she stood up for what she believed in, no-matter how strange it is to us. Let everyone live as they desire with the exception that theur activities do not bring harm to others. Love and Tolerance.

Ok but this religion lets women grow mustaches and beards.

[themonty72]

But women with mustaches and beards because of a religion.

[Addai]

Erik Lehnsherr wrote...

@Addai & Sion, In a way you can both admire her and be disgusted by her, because it all comes down to perspective. In one way sge has imnense willpower for not faltering in the opposition of what she believes in, but in another way her devotion closes her to other perspectives - The reason I'm a true agnostic.

On what basis do you conclude this?  She says nothing about anyone else's perspective.  She's not even trying to change the reddit guy's mind, just explaining.

Disgusted?  That's baffling.

[Addai]

themonty72 wrote...

But women with mustaches and beards because of a religion.

12 years old, I take it?  Here's a wiki page, maybe it's not above your reading level.

[Addai]

Erik Lehnsherr wrote...

I know, you mentioned. I'm not going to condemn anyone for what they believe in and neither should you, just be happy it's slowly dying out.

I'm not condemning anyone.  But if you think religious belief is "dying out," I think you're operating under delusions.  Religious belief has been a part of human history forever and will be forever.

What I find hard to believe is that people lump together all people who hold to any religious belief into one category and stamp them all with "fanatical and deluded."  That's just not how it works.  Are you able to evaluate ideas and behaviors and synchronize them into your worldview, weighting some more than others, re-evaluating in light of new information and perspectives?  So are people who include religious reasoning, works, and social networks into their method of thinking.  Not everyone who believes in something outside the natural is a fanatic, and we all have our biases, including those for example who use the conceited term "free thinker."

For those uncomfortable with the topic, what I really am getting at is that how she arrived at her philosophy is irrelevant.  The ideas themselves-that the natural body is good and that appearance shouldn't matter- are things a thoroughly secular person might espouse.  And it's really none of anyone's business.

Modifié par Addai67, 29 septembre 2012 - 09:17 .

[Naughty Bear]

Erik Lehnsherr wrote...

Addai, first of all I was replying to "the monty" and secondly it is dying out you'd have to be blind not to see it, not even maybe, more people renounce faith across the world it is likely their descendants will too. Now, not belief as a whole that is a ridlculous assumption but pre-conceived assumptions about the nature of life, "Everyone must live like me, or else." Will die out, hopefully anyway.

The reason why i dislike religion.

[nhcre8tv1]

inb4lock.

That's how good I am at forum posting.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Oh look more anti-religion crap. Well, it is the internet after all.

[Daennikus]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Oh look more anti-religion crap. Well, it is the internet after all.

I wouldn't call it "crap" but yes, the internet is one place to express one's opinion about religion as a whole. There are places where pro-religious talk would be unwelcomed, and BSN is a fine example. However, some people do not place boundaries to their ways of expressing their spiritual lifestyle (i.e. mentioning their moral views by using Biblical references) and this is why internet users are so vehement. Religious people don't know when to keep to themselves.

This is off-topic, but when one pulls a trigger they best be ready to face the reactions and consequences.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Yes, all those people in this thread quoting scripture or sacred texts definitely should be ready to face the consequences for expressing a pro-religious opinion. All zero of them.

OT: Good on the woman, I guess. Not often random internet folks apologise for being stupid.

For those uncomfortable with the topic, what I really am getting at is that how she arrived at her philosophy is irrelevant. The ideas themselves-that the natural body is good and that appearance shouldn't matter- are things a thoroughly secular person might espouse. And it's really none of anyone's business.

Quality post, Addai.

Modifié par CrustyBot, 29 septembre 2012 - 02:58 .

[Binary_Helix 1]

Very few practice what she does. I've known girls who wear turbans but even they shave. This person's appearance is simply grotesque. Her response was admirable though but everyone is expected to meet certain minimal aesthetic standards.

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 29 septembre 2012 - 04:42 .