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[DarkKnightHolmes]

Emzamination wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Loghain is old.
Arl Howe is old
Wynne is old.

None of them seem to be strugg;ing when fight.

Loghain - Early Fifties
Arl Howe - Early Fifties
Wynne - Early/mid sixties/mage

Which still means their old.

Modifié par DarkKnightHolmes, 28 septembre 2012 - 01:44 .

[Emzamination]

MichaelStuart wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

MichaelStuart wrote...

My point is already being made.
People expect older people to be feeble.
If you choose a old character and try to intimate something, they'll likely laugh in your face and attack you.

I have a good rule. Never to judge someone, young or old by there age.
Take this from someone who saw a 70 year old fight off two teenagers.

It's fact that the older one gets, the more bone density one loses and the less dexterous one becomes.While it's remotely conceivable that a 70+ warrior could probably fight off some bandits in a up close fight, he/she isn't going to be ducking,dodging,out manuvering or performing combat rolls anytime soon which means if they get swarmed its over.A 70+ mage I could see but anything else... neh.

I would prefer no one by combat rolls reguardless of age.
I mean really, why would anyone roll?

I must admit I'm surprised that the idea that playing as a old warrior is that much of a suspension of disbelief?

Absolutely when knowing the limits of the body.

[DPSSOC]

Emzamination wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Loghain is old.
Arl Howe is old
Wynne is old.

None of them seem to be strugg;ing when fight.

Loghain - Early Fifties
Arl Howe - Early Fifties
Wynne - Early/mid sixties/mage

50's is considered old today, not very old but old, medieval fantasy setting with a life expectancy of maybe 40...

[TsaiMeLemoni]

Interesting idea, but I am not sure how easy it would be to incorporate. If they did add it it wouldn't affect me though...I can never play as an old person. Old people are creepy and smell like rotting marzipan.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

Interesting idea, but I am not sure how easy it would be to incorporate. If they did add it it wouldn't affect me though...I can never play as an old person. Old people are creepy and smell like rotting marzipan.

You seem to know some very odd old people.

[MichaelStuart]

Just out of curiosity.
What does everyone think the minimum and maximum age of a player character should be?

Modifié par MichaelStuart, 28 septembre 2012 - 01:49 .

[Emzamination]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Loghain is old.
Arl Howe is old
Wynne is old.

None of them seem to be strugg;ing when fight.

Loghain - Early Fifties
Arl Howe - Early Fifties
Wynne - Early/mid sixties/mage

Which still means their old.

They aren't ridiculously old.52 iirc barely qualifies you as a senior.Wynne is the exception because she's a mage and relies primarily on her magical abilities rather than her physical ones and even then she tires out so she doesn't apply to age restriction.

[TsaiMeLemoni]

MichaelStuart wrote...

Just out of curiosity.
What does everyone think the minimum and maximum age of a player character should be?

I would think early 20s to late 40s early 50s...having too much older and it would kind of seem unlikely they'd be capable of much. I know Wynne was an oldie, but if you take her along on a lot of your missions she flat out faints after at least one battle and talks about how she thought she was done for. I don't want my PC to do that.

Modifié par TsaiMeLemoni, 28 septembre 2012 - 01:54 .

[Emzamination]

DPSSOC wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Loghain is old.
Arl Howe is old
Wynne is old.

None of them seem to be strugg;ing when fight.

Loghain - Early Fifties
Arl Howe - Early Fifties
Wynne - Early/mid sixties/mage

50's is considered old today, not very old but old, medieval fantasy setting with a life expectancy of maybe 40...

I agree which is why a 70+ warrior should be resting within the earth in thedas and not out fighting.

[Emzamination]

MichaelStuart wrote...

Just out of curiosity.
What does everyone think the minimum and maximum age of a player character should be?

18-45

[cindercatz]

MichaelStuart wrote...

Just out of curiosity.
What does everyone think the minimum and maximum age of a player character should be?

Somewhere between 48-52, factoring in whatever the life expectancy of DA actually is. 36-38 for elves maybe, because of the shorter lifespan (barring a blood magic fan keeper).

lol, that's the maximums, misread

Mins:
18
17 for elves.

Modifié par cindercatz, 28 septembre 2012 - 01:56 .

[MichaelStuart]

I must also ask.
Is being young also too much of a suspension of disbelief?

I mean who many times have we seen the young hero thrust out into the world with little real experience, go on to save the world.

[DPSSOC]

Emzamination wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...
50's is considered old today, not very old but old, medieval fantasy setting with a life expectancy of maybe 40...

I agree which is why a 70+ warrior should be resting within the earth in thedas and not out fighting.

So should Loghain and Howe (Wynne's lived a cushy life her whole life I can see her sticking around) yet they're out and about killing people, holding their own in fights with people less than half their age, and fighting Dragons (ok that's just Loghain).  The point is the precedent exists for people who should have kicked the bucket ages ago, who should be withered by old age to the point lifting a book is a tall order much less a sword, are out and about doing their thing.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Emzamination wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Loghain is old.
Arl Howe is old
Wynne is old.

None of them seem to be strugg;ing when fight.

Loghain - Early Fifties
Arl Howe - Early Fifties
Wynne - Early/mid sixties/mage

Which still means their old.

They aren't ridiculously old.52 iirc barely qualifies you as a senior.Wynne is the exception because she's a mage and relies primarily on her magical abilities rather than her physical ones and even then she tires out so she doesn't apply to age restriction.

Well I doubt people live to be in their 60's or 70's in the DA Universe. Beside, if you listen to the banter between Leliana and Wynne, Wynne tells Leliana that she is 2 decade older. So unless Leliana is early to mid 40's like you presume, I think Wynne is younger than 60.

Modifié par DarkKnightHolmes, 28 septembre 2012 - 02:00 .

[cindercatz]

Younger is reasonable. Most warriors throughout history are young in their prime, even most leaders when you're talking comparible time periods. Alexander the Great died at 35. War is almost always 'young men dying for wise men's crimes'. Truly old soldiers still on the front lines today are pretty much only possible with advanced medicine, modern prosthetics, 'future soldier' equipment, etc.

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

MichaelStuart wrote...

Just out of curiosity.
What does everyone think the minimum and maximum age of a player character should be?

I would think early 20s to late 40s early 50s...having too much older and it would kind of seem unlikely they'd be capable of much. I know Wynne was an oldie, but if you take her along on a lot of your missions she flat out faints after at least one battle and talks about how she thought she was done for. I don't want my PC to do that.

Wynne also dies and gets resurrected at least twice, one of them if you travel with her. She's sharing her life with some kind of guardian compassion spirit, something like that.

[SpunkyMonkey]

Just how old does everyone expect a Warrior to be?

Emzamination wrote...

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

Yeah, I was just messin about, hence the laugh smiley at the end.

But no, dragons, elves and magic are no-where near as concieveable as a 70 y/o going strong on the combat front, because people over 70 have actually fought before (however poorly) dragons, magic and elves don't exist. I really don't find it that hard to believe that in a world where you can do all the impossible things which you can do in DA, there couldn't be a potion or method of magic treatment which prolonged strength and combat abilities into old age.

And it'll be lyrium based no doubt lol.

Going to have to disagree, the archdemon is a more conceivable sight than a 70+ year old still trying to mow down evil with a blade.Thedas is indeed a world where impossible and unimaginable things reside, well all except world peace.

Seriously? You do realize that people aged 70+ have gone to war before in real life aren't you? I work with a 71 year old who is nimble as a 30 y/o, walks miles every week and, whilst he isn't the strongest of chaps, it's a damn sight more conceivable he could weild a blade than a dragon popping out of the sky.

Seriously, not all people over 70 are creaking fuddies, those which have looked after themselves are still capable of doing such things.

I also notice you state 18-45 as the age people should be for a warrior. Well years ago I used to work at a factory where a bloke called "Crack" took an axe to the neck years before in his 30's. Whsilt working there he was 52 and on nights out with the lads he'd still be there in every fight and still kicking everyones arse who he came up against. One of the hardest blokes I've ever known and not a 20 y/o could touch him. 45's still young to someone who's kept their edge.

Modifié par SpunkyMonkey, 28 septembre 2012 - 02:15 .

[Emzamination]

DPSSOC wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...
50's is considered old today, not very old but old, medieval fantasy setting with a life expectancy of maybe 40...

I agree which is why a 70+ warrior should be resting within the earth in thedas and not out fighting.

So should Loghain and Howe (Wynne's lived a cushy life her whole life I can see her sticking around) yet they're out and about killing people, holding their own in fights with people less than half their age, and fighting Dragons (ok that's just Loghain).  The point is the precedent exists for people who should have kicked the bucket ages ago, who should be withered by old age to the point lifting a book is a tall order much less a sword, are out and about doing their thing.

Loghain and howe aren't that old.If we're going to go into medieval life expectancies, lets factor in the plagues and unsanitary living conditions of the age that heavily contributed to it as well.

[cindercatz]

DPSSOC wrote...

So should Loghain and Howe (Wynne's lived a cushy life her whole life I can see her sticking around) yet they're out and about killing people, holding their own in fights with people less than half their age, and fighting Dragons (ok that's just Loghain).  The point is the precedent exists for people who should have kicked the bucket ages ago, who should be withered by old age to the point lifting a book is a tall order much less a sword, are out and about doing their thing.

Loghain marches with his men, but he wasn't out fighting on the front line. He's the master strategist, the general. He only fights one Duel in DA:O, and that out of political necessity (and then the one battle if you recruit him). Howe's the same way. They're both old veteran warriors. They know how to fight. There's a huge difference between that and hoofing it all over Thedas looking for fights en masse.

Plus, they're both no older than very early 50s, which is about the limit for warring in high form. Both of them are practically retired in DA:O, regardless. They're more about playing politics.

Modifié par cindercatz, 28 septembre 2012 - 02:12 .

[TsaiMeLemoni]

cindercatz wrote...

Younger is reasonable. Most warriors throughout history are young in their prime, even most leaders when you're talking comparible time periods. Alexander the Great died at 35. War is almost always 'young men dying for wise men's crimes'. Truly old soldiers still on the front lines today are pretty much only possible with advanced medicine, modern prosthetics, 'future soldier' equipment, etc.

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

MichaelStuart wrote...

Just out of curiosity.
What does everyone think the minimum and maximum age of a player character should be?

I would think early 20s to late 40s early 50s...having too much older and it would kind of seem unlikely they'd be capable of much. I know Wynne was an oldie, but if you take her along on a lot of your missions she flat out faints after at least one battle and talks about how she thought she was done for. I don't want my PC to do that.

Wynne also dies and gets resurrected at least twice, one of them if you travel with her. She's sharing her life with some kind of guardian compassion spirit, something like that.

Ah, did not know that. The playthrough I am on now is the first one where I've really used Wynne.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

cindercatz wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...

So should Loghain and Howe (Wynne's lived a cushy life her whole life I can see her sticking around) yet they're out and about killing people, holding their own in fights with people less than half their age, and fighting Dragons (ok that's just Loghain).  The point is the precedent exists for people who should have kicked the bucket ages ago, who should be withered by old age to the point lifting a book is a tall order much less a sword, are out and about doing their thing.

Loghain marches with his men, but he wasn't out fighting on the front line. He's the master strategist, the general. He only fights one Duel in DA:O, and that out of political necessity (and then the one battle if you recruit him). Howe's the same way. They're both old veteran warriors. They know how to fight. There's a huge difference between that and hoofing it all over Thedas looking for fights en masse.

Plus, they're both no older than very early 50s, which is about the limit for warring in high form. Both of them are practically retired in DA:O, regardless. They're more about playing politics.

You forgot he fights the final battle and the archdemon or any other side mission you haven't finished. (Of course, it depends on what you did in the landsmeet)

[Emzamination]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...


Well I doubt people live to be in their 60's or 70's in the DA Universe. Beside, if you listen to the banter between Leliana and Wynne, Wynne tells Leliana that she is 2 decade older. So unless Leliana is early to mid 40's like you presume, I think Wynne is younger than 60.

Leliana also tells wynne that she looks far younger than she actually is and seeing how leliana knew the city elfs mother when the city elf was still a child, I'd say 40 isn't a stretch.

Also yes wynne most definitely looks to be in her sixties - Link

[QueenPurpleScrap]

I think this is an interesting idea but you would have to have an origins story to really make it work. In DAO all your possible Wardens were pretty young, I'd estimate 18-25. Which in a way makes the slider to have you looking 70 kind of creepy, actually. But that's off topic.

Maybe an option is to have a companion who is older, 45-55. Not a mage and not a drunk. Over time you find out:

• he used to be a farmer but everything he had was lost when Loghain's men killed Bann Whats-her-name for firing her crops and not letting them have 'em. Or . . .
• he was a soldier in Amaranthine for Arl Ratbastard Howe and can't get any honorable work even though he was not part of Howe's vicious schemes. Or . . .
• he was a merchant in Kirkwall. His family and his shop were lost when the Arishok went Berserker on everything and everyone. He had some tough years learning to fight and defend himself so that could never happen again. Or . . .

Capable of being a friend, a LI, trusted companion.

MichaelStuart wrote...

Just out of curiosity.
What does everyone think the minimum and maximum age of a player character should be?

At the start of the game, depending on their background/origin, as young as 18 up to 30-35. Elves still live longer than humans so maybe up to 40 for them. {Their lives are shorter than they used to be, but that doesn't mean shorter than humans}.

[cindercatz]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

You forgot he fights the final battle and the archdemon or any other side mission you haven't finished. (Of course, it depends on what you did in the landsmeet)

Yeah, my slip. I edited it in. He is retired by the time DA:A comes around, though. He's basically a messenger and an adviser for my King Cousland warden and Anora.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Emzamination wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...


Well I doubt people live to be in their 60's or 70's in the DA Universe. Beside, if you listen to the banter between Leliana and Wynne, Wynne tells Leliana that she is 2 decade older. So unless Leliana is early to mid 40's like you presume, I think Wynne is younger than 60.

Leliana also tells wynne that she looks far younger than she actually is and seeing how leliana knew the city elfs mother when the city elf was still a child, I'd say 40 isn't a stretch.

Also yes wynne most definitely looks to be in her sixties - Link

Yeah...........  I really doubt she's 40. Bioware likes to keep all their LI young now a days. Plus, just because she knows the mother of the city elf PC doesn't mean much, plenty of people young people know people much older than them.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

cindercatz wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

You forgot he fights the final battle and the archdemon or any other side mission you haven't finished. (Of course, it depends on what you did in the landsmeet)

Yeah, my slip. I edited it in. He is retired by the time DA:A comes around, though. He's basically a messenger and an adviser for my King Cousland warden and Anora.

Are you sure? Because I played DAA a few days and I remember Loghain saying his going to serve with the Orlaisian Grey Wardens, so he sure doesn't sound retired in mine.