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[Realmzmaster]

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

Just wandering what the average age for this group of Warriors is............

www.youtube.com/watch

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Stallone - 66
Statham - 45
Jet Li - 49
Dolph Lundgren - 54
Chuck Norris - 72
Van Damme - 51
Bruce Willis - 57
Arnie - 65

That's an average age of 57, with the YOUNGEST actor being 45 for the biggest all action flick of the year.

It's all about how you look after yourself, and in a world full of magic and potions I don't think a 45+ protagonist is unfathamable.

The problem with your list is that these men have been doing this sort of activity for most of their lives. Their bodies are now physically breaking down which is one reason that Jet Li and others are taking on roles that are more about acting than physical prowess. And as stated these men have access to the best medical care available. Also if one of these stars gets hurt movie production stops until the star heals (or a suitable replacement can be found).

Now let's take the medieval soldier who has been fighting most of his/her life. The soldier unless extremely lucky has been wounded, had bones broken, had to sleep at times on the earth and live off the earth. The body begins to break down and no longer heals at the same rate the older one gets. The war does not wait for the soldier to heal. The soldier is sent home to heal for a time. When deemed fit the soldier is thrust back to the battlefield sometimes sooner if there is a great need which means wounds do not heal as well and bones do not mend as they should. This will affect the soldier as he/she ages. The old injury goes from a hinderance to a diability.

Suppose our new character was not a soldier but a farmer. Farming in medieval is even more body crushing than soldiering. Accidents on the farm happen. The farmer has to protect the farm and livestock from criminals which means figting probably getting injured. Again older people do not heal as well as younger people.

Older people may have more experience which can help mitigate the effects of age, but it will not stop it. It does not matter how exceptional the character. The body should show the effects of aging otherwise it is not realistic.

[PaulSX]

Emzamination wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...


Well I doubt people live to be in their 60's or 70's in the DA Universe. Beside, if you listen to the banter between Leliana and Wynne, Wynne tells Leliana that she is 2 decade older. So unless Leliana is early to mid 40's like you presume, I think Wynne is younger than 60.

Leliana also tells wynne that she looks far younger than she actually is and seeing how leliana knew the city elfs mother when the city elf was still a child, I'd say 40 isn't a stretch.

Also yes wynne most definitely looks to be in her sixties - Link

Yeah...........  I really doubt she's 40. Bioware likes to keep all their LI young now a days. Plus, just because she knows the mother of the city elf PC doesn't mean much, plenty of people young people know people much older than them.

No they don't.

Warden - 19

Hawke - 20

Alistair - Mid twenties

Morrigan - Early thrities

leliana - Late thirties/early forties

Zevran - Early thirties

Anders - Early thrities

Fenris - Late twenties

Merrill - Early twenties

Isabela - Late thirties/early forties

Sebastian - Mid twenties

She meets the city elf mother while the city elf is still a child.

oh I doubt that. Warden's age varies depending on the origin. City elf is supposed to be the youngest according to the concept arts. I do not think Leliana is more than 32 in DAO. Morrigan and her should be at the same age more or less.

[R2s Muse]

Fiacre wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

MichaelStuart wrote...

I will remind people that age would be a choice.

Well sure, but what's the point of having an age slider if it doesn't affect anything? Except very minor dialogue changes I guess.

Good point. Unless it really affects gameplay, then they basically already have had an age option by adding wrinkles and white hair to your otherwise youthful and spry, gravity-defying character.

And, most folks will continue to choose the most smokin' hot, badass character they can generate... <_<

Older people can be smokin' hot and badass as well. IMHO, Bryce and Gregoir are one of the best  looking men in the whole game, while I don't find Alsitair or Cailan all that attractive.

(And I tried to use Bryce's face to make a younger, slightly different looking HN Warden and the result looked terrible, seems like he got hotter with age, actually.)

All true... usually for men, which are the examples that you used. LOL I didn't realize when  I first wrote it, but yeah, I probably would never make my female character look older because I succumb to our society's natural preference for female beauty to be young. How pathetic of me. For how smokin hot I think Flemeth is, I'd probably still ditch the wrinkles.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 28 septembre 2012 - 04:30 .

[Dintonta]

Miltiades (c.550BC - 489BC) was the general who led successfully the athenians during the battle of Marathon (-490BC). He was sixty years old. If he hadn't been elected for the year in this position (which didn't implied as much comfort as one would think...) he would have fought as a mere hoplite.

Massinissa (c.238BC - 148BC) was the first king of Numidia (North-African ancient kingdom allied to Rome). The historian Appian of Alexandria told he led personally his light cavalry into battle until 88, two years before he died...

None of them, in their old age, were olympic champions but they were excellent tacticians (which is the most important thing about the PC in DA:O, since s/he had usually enough companions to do the dirty work.)

My first job was to tend old people who needed help in their daily life. What I saw about old age is that it may vary incredibly depending on individuals...

I think simply that if players were proposed an interesting way to RP an old timer, many wouldn't find that difficult to immerse in. (Rescue your grand-granddaughter who has been kidnapped by bloodmages intending to sacrifice the baby. Find a way to help your silly grandson who has become Lyrium addicted during foul Chantry practices as a templar. Have a tea party with Flemeth where you would evocate the good ol'time and laugh about her having killed and eaten a lover you shared in your youth, etc...)

[Fast Jimmy]

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Exactly.

I really think Bioware did themselves a disservice with the time jumps. All reoccuring characters will need to start showing their age, as they are starting to get up there with the prequel items like Leliana's Song, and the giant time jumps in DA2, which is post DA:O and DA:A.

For instance, as many people who swoon over a Cullen LI in these forums, they need to realize he had to have been late 20's, early 30's in DA:O (completed Templar training, had been stationed at the Tower for a good piece of time it appears), making him late 30's, early 40's in DA3. If the new PC is a young, fresh faced PC (as they always are), then its going to a be 19 year old getting it on with a 40 year old, possibly.

If they do this romance and don't even acknowledge that, I'd be surprised. Then again, Isabella is much older than Hawke and this is never discussed... but then again, the age gap would be even larger for a Cullen romance.

[R2s Muse]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

^

Exactly.

I really think Bioware did themselves a disservice with the time jumps. All reoccuring characters will need to start showing their age, as they are starting to get up there with the prequel items like Leliana's Song, and the giant time jumps in DA2, which is post DA:O and DA:A.

For instance, as many people who swoon over a Cullen LI in these forums, they need to realize he had to have been late 20's, early 30's in DA:O (completed Templar training, had been stationed at the Tower for a good piece of time it appears), making him late 30's, early 40's in DA3. If the new PC is a young, fresh faced PC (as they always are), then its going to a be 19 year old getting it on with a 40 year old, possibly.

If they do this romance and don't even acknowledge that, I'd be surprised. Then again, Isabella is much older than Hawke and this is never discussed... but then again, the age gap would be even larger for a Cullen romance.

Well, actually, Cullen was 24 in DA:O, according to his chr file. So, that puts him around 31ish in Act 3 and 34ish in 9:40. So... totally swoon worthy and romaceable, even for a young PC! It's something we've discussed quite a bit, actually.

Moreover, ostensibly Anders is also much older than Hawke, and that hasn't really been a problem. Don't even get the Teagan fans started... LOL 

Modifié par R2s Muse, 28 septembre 2012 - 04:47 .

[Wulfram]

Toolset says Cullen is 24, so he'd be mid 30s in DA3.

Hawke is mid 20s at the start of the game, while Shepard was 29 in ME1. Don't really see the issue.

[cindercatz]

Agreed that the characters need to start really showing their age. I'd much prefer it if their character codex entries, for instance, would start stating their birth year, so then you've got a hard timeline to build off of narratively, and the player has a better understanding of the character. It always bothers me when you have a hard property (and DA's supposed to be one, supposed to maintain a certain level of realism) that starts trying to follow the "illusion of change" model, trying to keep all the principles in some kind of time loop as if the rest of the world and the rest of what should be happening in the their lives only exists as fluff decoration and slight of hand.

Dintonta wrote...

I think simply that if players were proposed an interesting way to RP an old timer, many wouldn't find that difficult to immerse in. (Rescue your grand-granddaughter who has been kidnapped by bloodmages intending to sacrifice the baby. Find a way to help your silly grandson who has become Lyrium addicted during foul Chantry practices as a templar. Have a tea party with Flemeth where you would evocate the good ol'time and laugh about her having killed and eaten a lover you shared in your youth, etc...)

That would be interesting to play, not as a full DA rpg, but as it's own thing, or even as an epilogue. (not the specifics, but the jist of what you're getting at)

Modifié par cindercatz, 28 septembre 2012 - 05:05 .

[Fast Jimmy]

R2s Muse wrote...

Well, actually, Cullen was 24 in DA:O, according to his chr file. So, that puts him around 31ish in Act 3 and 34ish in 9:40. So... totally swoon worthy and romaceable, even for a young PC! It's something we've discussed quite a bit, actually.

Moreover, ostensibly Anders is also much older than Hawke, and that hasn't really been a problem. Don't even get the Teagan fans started... LOL 

Ah. I should have guessed that there had been discussion on that in the Cullen LI threads.

[R2s Muse]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Well, actually, Cullen was 24 in DA:O, according to his chr file. So, that puts him around 31ish in Act 3 and 34ish in 9:40. So... totally swoon worthy and romaceable, even for a young PC! It's something we've discussed quite a bit, actually.

Moreover, ostensibly Anders is also much older than Hawke, and that hasn't really been a problem. Don't even get the Teagan fans started... LOL 

Ah. I should have guessed that there had been discussion on that in the Cullen LI threads.

You know it! 

(edit: Besides, even if he were in his 40's, you really think that would stop most of us??

That said, I think the bigger issue with age in a companion is the fact that this older person would suddenly be reset to around the level of the PC. I find that harder to believe that someone who was "commander" rank in DA2 is suddenly a level 3 or 4 character. But then again... they did with Anders after Awakenings.)

Modifié par R2s Muse, 28 septembre 2012 - 05:04 .

[Plaintiff]

I know young people IRL who have dated/are dating partners in their forties, so even if Cullen was about that age, it's not an issue for me.

[cindercatz]

I'm not pro-Cullen companion at all, but I don't see any problem with the age gap. I do have a problem with them continuing to not acknowledge that there is one. The characters' ages should improve storytelling, not be ignored and skirted around.

Modifié par cindercatz, 28 septembre 2012 - 05:11 .

[Fast Jimmy]

Plaintiff wrote...

I know young people IRL who have dated/are dating partners in their forties, so even if Cullen was about that age, it's not an issue for me.

Oh, I don't have a problem with it from a social norms perspective, I would just be surprised if Bioware didn't mention it during the romance and, if they did, if that would make any of the gigglesqueak fans of Cullen and other LIs for DA3 a little more wary.

And I mean gigglesqueak in the most endearing, non-offensive way possible.

[Dintonta]

MichaelStuart wrote...

I must also ask.
Is being young also too much of a suspension of disbelief?

I mean who many times have we seen the young hero thrust out into the world with little real experience, go on to save the world.

The opposite way (below 18) wouldn't hinder my suspension of disbelief either.
I've already answered why in this thread How Old Do YOU Imagine Your Warden To Be?
Story of lady
Another famous exemple is the king Baldwin IV of Jerusalem, who was considered an excellent general by the age of 16. (His role is played by Edward Norton in Ridley Scott's movie : "Kingdom of Heaven".)

[R2s Muse]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

I know young people IRL who have dated/are dating partners in their forties, so even if Cullen was about that age, it's not an issue for me.

Oh, I don't have a problem with it from a social norms perspective, I would just be surprised if Bioware didn't mention it during the romance and, if they did, if that would make any of the gigglesqueak fans of Cullen and other LIs for DA3 a little more wary.

And I mean gigglesqueak in the most endearing, non-offensive way possible.

LOL Honestly, I may have to adopt that gigglesqueak term... as it is most... apropos on occasion.

But really, even if there is an age difference, like with Anders, like with Teagan, I doubt the character will look it. Even throughout DA2, I would posit that Cullen looked at least 30.  So I'd be willing to bet that no one will likely know, nor bat an eye. And, if they do make an issue of it in dialogue or some such, then hooray; all the thirty- and forty-something players will just nod and say, "about time..."