Other than the storyline practically guiding you too. It says he killed 8 people, including children. Why the hell would you want a companion like that?
Why not kill him?
Why do people let Sten out of the cage?
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Posté 28 septembre 2012 - 01:12
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He is a strong warrior. he has a dominating,fearsome presence and he is sincere in his need to repent.
Storyline wise you aren't really in the position to turn down able bodies, if that were the case i would never recruit Oghren or Zevran if i am already a rogue.
I much prefer Sten after he has Asala back, Its quite uplifting to hear him praise me for finding his sword.
Plus he doesn't steal my kills like Alistair.
Storyline wise you aren't really in the position to turn down able bodies, if that were the case i would never recruit Oghren or Zevran if i am already a rogue.
I much prefer Sten after he has Asala back, Its quite uplifting to hear him praise me for finding his sword.
Plus he doesn't steal my kills like Alistair.
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Posté 28 septembre 2012 - 02:22
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Did Sten say he killed 8 people? If he did then it makes sense not to let him out of the cage. But other wise he turns out to be a good companion except for going to haven that is.
So are you assuming information you shouldn't have or am I?
So are you assuming information you shouldn't have or am I?
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Posté 28 septembre 2012 - 02:46
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No, that is what I was told by him upon letting him out.
That is the reason he was in the cage in the first place. I don't know if it turns out he is framed or not as I haven't played much further into the story, however he seemed pretty sure he'd done it.
That is the reason he was in the cage in the first place. I don't know if it turns out he is framed or not as I haven't played much further into the story, however he seemed pretty sure he'd done it.
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Posté 28 septembre 2012 - 03:09
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He admits he killed them. Just ask him. He'll repeat it again in camp, later.
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Posté 28 septembre 2012 - 03:34
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Yes, he did kill the family. However, it was't in cold blood. It was in a complete blind panic upon losing his sword that drove him to lash out in "hot blood." Not an excuse, I know, but he deeply regrets it afterwards. He actually waits for the authorities to come, allows himself to be captured and willingly stays in the cage for 20-30 days. In fact, he resists leaving as he feels dying of starvation or darkspawn would be his proper atonement, and he only changes his mind if you offer to help him redeem himself in another way, i.e. save the world from the Blight.
All in all, one might wanto to recruit Sten if they felt his wish for atonement was sincere (which it is), if they wanted to help him atone, because they wanted to save him being left to starve or die at darkspawn hands, or even just because he's a big, strong, skilled warrior and the Wardens (all two of them) need all the help they can get at that point. People have their reasons.
All in all, one might wanto to recruit Sten if they felt his wish for atonement was sincere (which it is), if they wanted to help him atone, because they wanted to save him being left to starve or die at darkspawn hands, or even just because he's a big, strong, skilled warrior and the Wardens (all two of them) need all the help they can get at that point. People have their reasons.
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Posté 28 septembre 2012 - 08:42
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I have done both and had my reasons for doing both (most of which have been brought up already). I did have one Cousland so traumatized by what happened in Highever, when she found out he killed an entire family who took him in, including the children, she left him there to rot. Had there been an option, she'd have killed him in the cage where he stood. After listening to him talk about the Qun way of dealing with mages, my mage Warden also left him there. I head canon'ed that she knew about Saraabas, and had no desire to help someone who would do such a thing.
My daughter (who loves the character) was absolutely livid...but that was just a bonus...
My daughter (who loves the character) was absolutely livid...but that was just a bonus...
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Posté 28 septembre 2012 - 11:12
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Or a Warden could just be evil and not care about the consequences of his actions as long as they aren't directly his problem. Seriously though, I played my second Warden as a colossal jerk. And just to put a cherry on the top of the cake I taught Sten how to nullify the one weapon that gave the qunari pause, too.
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Posté 29 septembre 2012 - 12:13
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Whatever he did, he seems adult and rational about it at Lothering. He admits his crimes and is content to bare his punishment. That alone suggests he's unlikely to rip my head off the moment I open the cage. And putting him to what will undoubtedly be good use fighting the darkspawn seems a much better idea than simply letting him die in a cage.
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Posté 29 septembre 2012 - 12:21
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Be prepared: a lot of Dragon Age is going to be like that. It's part of what makes DA's choices more nuanced than Mass Effect's. You need to find your own reasons for letting him out or letting him die.
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Posté 29 septembre 2012 - 03:12
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Jade8aby88 wrote...
No, that is what I was told by him upon letting him out.
That is the reason he was in the cage in the first place. I don't know if it turns out he is framed or not as I haven't played much further into the story, however he seemed pretty sure he'd done it.
I let him out for a few reasons:
- Even that early in the game if he went crazy pants I had enough companions to defend myself
- Simple curiousity over why he'd done it
- His sincere regret that he'd done it, along with waiting several days for the knights to find him
- If the Chantry wanted him dead they should have just hanged him rather than leaving him to the darkspawn
There are excellent RP reasons to leave him caged, obviously, but it was more my own desire to see what he was like and try to learn why he'd done it that I freed him. Plus, he's the most surprisingly eloquent member of the party. "Either you have an enviable memory or a pitiable life to know nothing of regret."
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Posté 29 septembre 2012 - 01:10
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Song in honour of this thread:
Who let the Sten out
(Qun, Qun, Qun, Qun)
(Qun, Qun, Qun, Qun)
(Qun, Qun, Qun, Qun)
(Qun, Qun, Qun, Qun)
Who let the Sten out (Qun, Qun, Qun, Qun)
Who let the Sten out (Qun, Qun, Qun, Qun)
(Qun, Qun, Qun, Qun)
When the fight was nice, Lothering was jumpin' (Ashkost say hissra!)
And everybody havin' a ball (Anaan esaam Qun!)
I tell the fellas "start the name callin'" (Katara, bas!)
And the girls report to the call
The poor Sten show down
Who let the Sten out (Qun, Qun, Qun, Qun)
Who let the Sten out (Qun, Qun, Qun, Qun)
Who let the Sten out (Qun, Qun, Qun, Qun)
Who let the Sten out (Qun, Qun, Qun, Qun)
I see ya' Chantry sister head up our road
She really want to skip town
Get back off me, bigs off me
Get back you giant hornless banger
Who let the Sten out (Qun, Qun, Qun, Qun)
Who let the Sten out (Qun, Qun, Qun, Qun)
Who let the Sten out (Qun, Qun, Qun, Qun)
Who let the Sten out (Qun, Qun, Qun, Qun)
I'm gonna tell {Ashkost say hissra!}
To any girls calling them kossith {Katara, bas!}
Tell the dummy "Hey Man, It's part of the Party!" {Ebost issala!}
You fetch a women in front and her mans behind {Nehraa Beresaad!}
The Qun runs out now
Who let the Sten out (Qun, Qun, Qun, Qun)
Who let the Sten out (Qun, Qun, Qun, Qun)
Who let the Sten out (Qun, Qun, Qun, Qun)
Who let the Sten out (Qun, Qun, Qun, Qun)
Say, A giant is nuttin' if he don't have a sword All giant hold ya' sword, all giant hold it
A giant is nuttin' if he don't have a sword All giant hold ya' sword, all giant hold it
Wait for y'all my Sten, the party is on
I gotta get my girl I got my mind on
Do you see the rays comin' from my eye
What could you be friend
That templar man that's breakin' them down?
Me and My chain mail mail
And I can't seek a lot, any kossith will do
I'm figurin' that's why they call me faithful
'Cause I'm the man of the land
When they see me they doah-ooooo(Shok!)
Who let the Sten out (Qun, Qun, Qun, Qun)
Who let the Sten out (Qun, Qun, Qun, Qun)
Who let the Sten out (Qun, Qun, Qun, Qun)
Who let the Sten out (Qun, Qun, Qun, Qun)
Who let the Sten out
(Qun, Qun, Qun, Qun)
(Qun, Qun, Qun, Qun)
(Qun, Qun, Qun, Qun)
(Qun, Qun, Qun, Qun)
Who let the Sten out (Qun, Qun, Qun, Qun)
Who let the Sten out (Qun, Qun, Qun, Qun)
(Qun, Qun, Qun, Qun)
When the fight was nice, Lothering was jumpin' (Ashkost say hissra!)
And everybody havin' a ball (Anaan esaam Qun!)
I tell the fellas "start the name callin'" (Katara, bas!)
And the girls report to the call
The poor Sten show down
Who let the Sten out (Qun, Qun, Qun, Qun)
Who let the Sten out (Qun, Qun, Qun, Qun)
Who let the Sten out (Qun, Qun, Qun, Qun)
Who let the Sten out (Qun, Qun, Qun, Qun)
I see ya' Chantry sister head up our road
She really want to skip town
Get back off me, bigs off me
Get back you giant hornless banger
Who let the Sten out (Qun, Qun, Qun, Qun)
Who let the Sten out (Qun, Qun, Qun, Qun)
Who let the Sten out (Qun, Qun, Qun, Qun)
Who let the Sten out (Qun, Qun, Qun, Qun)
I'm gonna tell {Ashkost say hissra!}
To any girls calling them kossith {Katara, bas!}
Tell the dummy "Hey Man, It's part of the Party!" {Ebost issala!}
You fetch a women in front and her mans behind {Nehraa Beresaad!}
The Qun runs out now
Who let the Sten out (Qun, Qun, Qun, Qun)
Who let the Sten out (Qun, Qun, Qun, Qun)
Who let the Sten out (Qun, Qun, Qun, Qun)
Who let the Sten out (Qun, Qun, Qun, Qun)
Say, A giant is nuttin' if he don't have a sword All giant hold ya' sword, all giant hold it
A giant is nuttin' if he don't have a sword All giant hold ya' sword, all giant hold it
Wait for y'all my Sten, the party is on
I gotta get my girl I got my mind on
Do you see the rays comin' from my eye
What could you be friend
That templar man that's breakin' them down?
Me and My chain mail mail
And I can't seek a lot, any kossith will do
I'm figurin' that's why they call me faithful
'Cause I'm the man of the land
When they see me they doah-ooooo(Shok!)
Who let the Sten out (Qun, Qun, Qun, Qun)
Who let the Sten out (Qun, Qun, Qun, Qun)
Who let the Sten out (Qun, Qun, Qun, Qun)
Who let the Sten out (Qun, Qun, Qun, Qun)
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Posté 29 septembre 2012 - 01:20
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Je ne regrette rien. 
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Posté 29 septembre 2012 - 06:33
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got that goddamn song stuck in my head now!
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Posté 29 septembre 2012 - 10:36
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Needed a warrior besides Alistair besides aside from the HN none of the PCs can really claim a moral high ground when it comes to Sten IMO.
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Posté 29 septembre 2012 - 11:30
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A Dalish who spares the humans rather than killing them? A Mage who risks his neck in a failed attempt to save Jowan, honestly believing him innocent? And the City Elf's massacre had an actual reason for it.
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Posté 30 septembre 2012 - 06:02
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Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...
Needed a warrior besides Alistair besides aside from the HN none of the PCs can really claim a moral high ground when it comes to Sten IMO.
... Really? The City Elf saving the brides and bridesmaids in his/her wedding from being beaten, gang-raped and possibly murdered by the local noblemen (who we know have done it before) doesn't get any points? Or the Mage who potentially risks their life to save their best friend from a fate worse than death? Or the casteless dwarf who potentially risks their neck to let one of their boss's targets escape to the surface instead of murdering him? Or the Dalish letting humans escape when they could kill them? (Dunno about the DN.)
Or basically any Warden that spends their time helping people and hounds in Ostagar that they don't have to but do anyway (like feeding the starving prisoner, curing the sick dog, bandaging the wounded soldier in the Wilds,etc.) None of that counts?
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Posté 02 octobre 2012 - 02:53
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From a legal standpoint no The CE still commited mass murder,the mage helped a blood mage escape from the Circle, The Casteless killed people for a mob boss and it's implied that the Dalish kill humans who wander too close to their camp*atleast in the Origin* and I'm pretty sure the DN was involed in some less then pleasant stuff simply because of how Dwarf politics work all I'm saying is that untill you ask him you don't know why he did what he did for all the Warden knows at that point he could have had a valid reason to do what he did*like the Warden*.Faerunner wrote...
Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...
Needed a warrior besides Alistair besides aside from the HN none of the PCs can really claim a moral high ground when it comes to Sten IMO.
... Really? The City Elf saving the brides and bridesmaids in his/her wedding from being beaten, gang-raped and possibly murdered by the local noblemen (who we know have done it before) doesn't get any points? Or the Mage who potentially risks their life to save their best friend from a fate worse than death? Or the casteless dwarf who potentially risks their neck to let one of their boss's targets escape to the surface instead of murdering him? Or the Dalish letting humans escape when they could kill them? (Dunno about the DN.)
Or basically any Warden that spends their time helping people and hounds in Ostagar that they don't have to but do anyway (like feeding the starving prisoner, curing the sick dog, bandaging the wounded soldier in the Wilds,etc.) None of that counts?
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Posté 02 octobre 2012 - 09:01
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Ferelden law is way too sticky.
Murder is murder regardless of whether it is passion based, paid, a necessity or down to trespassing.
My warden kills bandits and forest animals alike on sight even though i have seen no evidence of banditting (?) and these animals are just protecting their natural habitat/following base instinct.
Sten put himself in the cage,he handed himself in. My city elf admitted to slaughtering vaughn and a castle full of soldiers and was willing to pay the price, Duncan rescued my city elf so its only fitting that my warden rescues sten.
Murder is murder regardless of whether it is passion based, paid, a necessity or down to trespassing.
My warden kills bandits and forest animals alike on sight even though i have seen no evidence of banditting (?) and these animals are just protecting their natural habitat/following base instinct.
Sten put himself in the cage,he handed himself in. My city elf admitted to slaughtering vaughn and a castle full of soldiers and was willing to pay the price, Duncan rescued my city elf so its only fitting that my warden rescues sten.
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Posté 02 octobre 2012 - 10:00
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Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...
From a legal standpoint no The CE still commited mass murder,the mage helped a blood mage escape from the Circle, The Casteless killed people for a mob boss and it's implied that the Dalish kill humans who wander too close to their camp*atleast in the Origin* and I'm pretty sure the DN was involed in some less then pleasant stuff simply because of how Dwarf politics work all I'm saying is that untill you ask him you don't know why he did what he did for all the Warden knows at that point he could have had a valid reason to do what he did*like the Warden*.
The mage could also simply be following Irving's orders, in which case Jowan's escape was never intended and even Greagoir admits later on that you couldn't be blamed for what happened and that Irving screwed up.
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Posté 02 octobre 2012 - 08:19
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Because he is just so anxoius to come out of theWhy do people let Sten out of the cage?
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Posté 03 octobre 2012 - 07:18
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One of the main themes of DAO is redemption - ins't it reasonable to offer Sten a route to his own redemption?
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Posté 03 octobre 2012 - 09:46
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sylvanaerie wrote...
...My daughter (who loves the character) was absolutely livid...but that was just a bonus...
:lol:
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Posté 03 octobre 2012 - 09:50
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True but I just can't bring myself to condemn my friend to a fate he sees worse then death.Fiacre wrote...
Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...
From a legal standpoint no The CE still commited mass murder,the mage helped a blood mage escape from the Circle, The Casteless killed people for a mob boss and it's implied that the Dalish kill humans who wander too close to their camp*atleast in the Origin* and I'm pretty sure the DN was involed in some less then pleasant stuff simply because of how Dwarf politics work all I'm saying is that untill you ask him you don't know why he did what he did for all the Warden knows at that point he could have had a valid reason to do what he did*like the Warden*.
The mage could also simply be following Irving's orders, in which case Jowan's escape was never intended and even Greagoir admits later on that you couldn't be blamed for what happened and that Irving screwed up.
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Posté 03 octobre 2012 - 10:00
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In all my play throughs, every decision I make I try to base it on who my warden is and her/his background. But I never gave much thought when it came to releasing Sten until I read this thread. something to ponder. However, Lilianna will give you a reason if she is with you at the time.
and I love completing Sten's personal quest
oh and mousestalker...thanks a lot!
and I love completing Sten's personal quest
oh and mousestalker...thanks a lot!
