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[Super.Sid]

Big Bad Wolf

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[Overlord_Mephist]

The dalish origin also gives some clues. Elven ruins with human designs, the eluvian, and the elven statue that has something to do with dalish beliefs according to Tamlen, which you also see in the home of some human bloodmage in denerim and in the fade I think

[WhiteKnyght]

ReggarBlane wrote...

The "Black City" is a rift in the Fade. I'm calling it now. Also, it leads to where the demons and taint originate.

What? This isn't one of those let's make wild theories threads?

Avernus: Blood magic comes from demons. They could counter every bit of lore I know. But the Darkspawn taint is alien to them, and it has power.

As for me, something tells me that the taint is just a small part of what's to come.

Methinks Flemeth really is a dragon(What better way to tease Hawke than with the truth) considering the fact that she was behind their return and can transform into one, plus other small details.

The Old gods could just be like her, powerful dragon mages that got a little ahead of themselves and ended up paying the price for it. Would explain Flemeth's desire to have the archdemon's soul.

What her long term plan is, I cant say. Whether she's actually trying to do good or she's trying to start The Scouring(Fire Emblem reference, big war between humans and Dragons) in Thedas, is yet to be seen.

[Aulis Vaara]

Plaintiff wrote...

Aulis Vaara wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

So many games have already used this "surprise" ending that it would actually be more original if Bioware just never confirmed the existence of any deities at all.

Such as?

Here's a list.

Haha, look at that. Dragon Age is already on it.

But that's not the trope we're talking about here. The Dread Wolf is not evil, it's a trickster, and more importantly it's the winning god in a pantheon. That's completely different from "god is evil".

[WardenWade]

Faerunner wrote...

WardenWade wrote...

This certainly seems possible to me too, cindercatz, that each group would be willing to see the same events through their own individual lens but not necessarily accept a different interpretation of the same.  What if everyone is right? 

It reminds me of how, for example, if you
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bring Leliana with you to rescue Deygan the hunter, she suggests that the Dalish just have a different way to seeing the Maker, by way of the Creators.  She too is putting her own stamp on the experience but it seems to me to be a similar sentiment.   

Agree on this, especially the part about Leliana. Though I think I can do you one better with characters from DA2. Dialogue with Merrill sometimes involves characters actually admitting that their own religions or cultures, not just others, might come from a more neutral source too.

At one point, Merrill tells Anders that "Your 'Maker' is a story you humans use to explain the world.  We [elves] have our own stories. We don't need to borrow yours." After Hawke's mother dies, after s/he remarks, "She's with the Maker," Merrill responds with "Or with Falon'Din. You never know." The most telling of all is this exchange between Merrill and Sebastian:

Sebastian: So what do you believe, Merrill?
Merrill: Our gods abandoned us long ago. They haven't answered our prayers since the fall of Arlathan.
Merrill: When we've proven that we're elves again, that we didn't lose everything, they'll come back to us.
Sebastian: We say the same of the Maker
Sebastian: Perhaps they're only different names for the same divine force that created the world.

When freaking Sebastian, Andraste's biggest fanboy since the Maker Himself, is willing to entertain the idea that the names and faces of different religions, including his own, might be based on a neutral phenomena, you know the idea is at least worth considering.

It would be so easy for Sebastian to insinuate that the Chantry's version of the divine force that created the world is the "right one." That the Maker as the Chantry describes Him is the one true interpretation and that the elves are mistaken or ethnocentric for putting their own elvish spin on it (as Leliana seems to insinuate). But no. He's willing to be perfectly fair and admit that it's possible that humans might not be fully correct either, and that there might be equal grains of truth from different cultures. That takes serious open-mindedness from someone so devout to his own religion.

We as the audience don't know for sure, but I think there might be something to the arguement that different Thedasian religions might be based on the same as-yet-unidentified neutral force, or even that different "gods" from different pathogens are all real and probably wrestling with each other.

Excellent points, Faerunner!  I had forgotten about that dialogue with Merrill and I didn't realize Sebastian said that.  It's interesting indeed to see a member of the Chantry admit it might all different names for the same thing, and a First to be so unconcerned with what one might call her god. 

As you mention, there may be one ultimate "truth" to Thedas that simply appears as different things to different people (and if so, why?).  Alternatively they may all exist at the same time, for the different races.  Either possibility is really intriguing to me.  The one thing each religious/racial group seems to have in common is a certain amount of pride, either way, that seems to be the greatest barrier for most to understanding the religious state of Thedas in general.  This is great food for thought.

Modifié par WardenWade, 30 septembre 2012 - 03:10 .

[WardenWade]

Aulis Vaara wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Aulis Vaara wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

So many games have already used this "surprise" ending that it would actually be more original if Bioware just never confirmed the existence of any deities at all.

Such as?

Here's a list.

Haha, look at that. Dragon Age is already on it.

But that's not the trope we're talking about here. The Dread Wolf is not evil, it's a trickster, and more importantly it's the winning god in a pantheon. That's completely different from "god is evil".

This is an interesting point, Aulis Vaara; I certainly agree.  It seems to me that it could be potentially limiting to think of Fen'Harel in a purely good/evil manner.  He seems very "gray" to me.  I'm curious if we will ever find out his "plan," such as it is/was...although, does he really look like a guy with a plan?

Modifié par WardenWade, 30 septembre 2012 - 11:22 .