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[edisnooM]

I haven't posted anything on BSN for a while, haven't really seen the point, but this topic has piqued my interest enough to reply. Probably not going to state anything groundbreaking though so feel free to give it a miss.

I find this entire situation very fascinating, BioWare and EA have in the past shown a great deal of pleasure in trumpeting their achievements. Making sure everyone is aware of how well they are doing and how successful they are. The sales numbers of ME3 being trotted out proudly at the beginning, and the attachment rate of From Ashes, even going so far as in the height of the ending furor to release a statement to the effect that ME3 had caused "One of the biggest fan reactions in gaming" and had "75 Perfect Scores", despite the ire this provoked amongst disgruntled fans.

They have always seemed to loudly announced their victories, and have shown a penchant for putting spin on their fumbles. But now they are conspicuously silent, and I cannot for the life of me think why. If the DLC is as successful as has been purported than that's PR gold. They should be making a press release, "In first month Leviathan outsells all previous DLC." Give it some context, stack it next LoTSB a DLC widely regarded as quite good, show how much better it sold. This is the sort of thing the execs should be salivating over, a golden egg they can toss to the press.

And yet silence. The only thing I have seen on sales has been Mr. Priestly's statements here, and begging his most evil pardon, but my trust for BioWare and their statements is at an all time low. The thing I question though is why don't they reveal the figures, if it was a rousing success, a vindication of their design, then they should be happily telling everyone in an official and proper manner with facts to back it up, and not in an offhanded comment on a forum.

The only thing I can think of is that either BioWare and EA have miraculously achieved humility (possible, but not a likely prospect) or there is perhaps more to this situation than we have been informed. And before anybody says it I freely admit I have no proof, only (and I hate this word) "speculations", but the maddening thing is that the people that have the proof one way or the other have shown no desire to reveal it.

[Cainne Chapel]

clarkusdarkus wrote...

Mastone wrote...

Siran wrote...

clarkusdarkus wrote...

you couldnt be anymore wrong, you do realise leviathan was the same regardless of what shepard went through it? same conversation, vega appearing,same wave of reapers,  its the same so no matter if i played or watched it................it was the same so judging it is the same.

So, your Shepard looked exactly like the guy who youtubed it, had the same LI as you, took the same squadmates with him, took the same weapons as you'd have, made the same decisions and turns. Its part of getting immersed in a game. And for that you have to actually play it. But yeah, you go ahead and judge every game by a youtube video, because, it's always the same, right?

No, but in the end it doesn't matter who you choose to be your LI, what your choices were or whatever you did basically I think that's more of his point tbh

exactly, i think them defending it clouds there judgement. There is no difference in me playing Leviathan than watching it ,hence me not purchasing it, its not unique...its the same for all. Vega appears, same convo with leviathan, same everything.

No my judgement isn't clouded, I'm merely stating that if thats your criteria for judging something, thats 90% of the games available, period.  Well technically it could go up to 95% depending on how you weigh certain categories

[clarkusdarkus]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

clarkusdarkus wrote...

oh come on, how it plays? it was pew pew shooting until the wave of reapers stopped, what seperated your playthrough of leviathan to the next? when the highlight of a dlc is a husk head then theres something wrong, i dont waste money hence why i dont buy any old crap.

Each to there own 

To be honest I just think your upset that your 'hold the wallet' is having little to no effect going by what Chris has said about it selling well.

lol...implying again

[Mastone]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

clarkusdarkus wrote...

oh come on, how it plays? it was pew pew shooting until the wave of reapers stopped, what seperated your playthrough of leviathan to the next? when the highlight of a dlc is a husk head then theres something wrong, i dont waste money hence why i dont buy any old crap.

Each to there own 

To be honest I just think your upset that your 'hold the wallet' is having little to no effect going by what Chris has said about it selling well.

I don't think Chris Priestly would say that it sold bad even if it did sold bad...what I remember him writing down is that it was the best grossing DLC to date, but that he didn't go over the specifics with us... this is standard corporate talk, tell people you ar edoing great even when you are filing for bankrupcy ....

I personally hope they use the money to make a good game for once

[Cainne Chapel]

edisnooM wrote...

I haven't posted anything on BSN for a while, haven't really seen the point, but this topic has piqued my interest enough to reply. Probably not going to state anything groundbreaking though so feel free to give it a miss.

I find this entire situation very fascinating, BioWare and EA have in the past shown a great deal of pleasure in trumpeting their achievements. Making sure everyone is aware of how well they are doing and how successful they are. The sales numbers of ME3 being trotted out proudly at the beginning, and the attachment rate of From Ashes, even going so far as in the height of the ending furor to release a statement to the effect that ME3 had caused "One of the biggest fan reactions in gaming" and had "75 Perfect Scores", despite the ire this provoked amongst disgruntled fans.

They have always seemed to loudly announced their victories, and have shown a penchant for putting spin on their fumbles. But now they are conspicuously silent, and I cannot for the life of me think why. If the DLC is as successful as has been purported than that's PR gold. They should be making a press release, "In first month Leviathan outsells all previous DLC." Give it some context, stack it next LoTSB a DLC widely regarded as quite good, show how much better it sold. This is the sort of thing the execs should be salivating over, a golden egg they can toss to the press.

And yet silence. The only thing I have seen on sales has been Mr. Priestly's statements here, and begging his most evil pardon, but my trust for BioWare and their statements is at an all time low. The thing I question though is why don't they reveal the figures, if it was a rousing success, a vindication of their design, then they should be happily telling everyone in an official and proper manner with facts to back it up, and not in an offhanded comment on a forum.

The only thing I can think of is that either BioWare and EA have miraculously achieved humility (possible, but not a likely prospect) or there is perhaps more to this situation than we have been informed. And before anybody says it I freely admit I have no proof, only (and I hate this word) "speculations", but the maddening thing is that the people that have the proof one way or the other have shown no desire to reveal it.

Oddlye nough EA has been rather mum lately, period.

Fifa 13 and Madden have both done tremendously well, but overall the news coming from them has been relatively quiet as of late as a whole, so its not just a BW thing right now.

AS ffor BW in general, this post right here is proof positive that a tiny comment can cause quite a bit of rabble.  even if it was a relatively blank statement.

the BSN isn't exactly dev friendly these days.  Hell people complain about the announcement of ME3 coming to Wii-U which is relatively neutral news, then again they even complained about it going to PS3 so *shrugs*

[clarkusdarkus]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

clarkusdarkus wrote...

Mastone wrote...

Siran wrote...

clarkusdarkus wrote...

you couldnt be anymore wrong, you do realise leviathan was the same regardless of what shepard went through it? same conversation, vega appearing,same wave of reapers,  its the same so no matter if i played or watched it................it was the same so judging it is the same.

So, your Shepard looked exactly like the guy who youtubed it, had the same LI as you, took the same squadmates with him, took the same weapons as you'd have, made the same decisions and turns. Its part of getting immersed in a game. And for that you have to actually play it. But yeah, you go ahead and judge every game by a youtube video, because, it's always the same, right?

No, but in the end it doesn't matter who you choose to be your LI, what your choices were or whatever you did basically I think that's more of his point tbh

exactly, i think them defending it clouds there judgement. There is no difference in me playing Leviathan than watching it ,hence me not purchasing it, its not unique...its the same for all. Vega appears, same convo with leviathan, same everything.

No my judgement isn't clouded, I'm merely stating that if thats your criteria for judging something, thats 90% of the games available, period.  Well technically it could go up to 95% depending on how you weigh certain categories

No it was my criteria for judging Leviathan as i was unsure about it and im glad i did.........as i didnt waste money on it, to be honest whats wrong basing your purchases on research? i mean as in looking at content before u decide to buy it? id call that money management

[Mastone]

Siran wrote...

Mastone wrote...

Siran wrote...

clarkusdarkus wrote...

you couldnt be anymore wrong, you do realise leviathan was the same regardless of what shepard went through it? same conversation, vega appearing,same wave of reapers,  its the same so no matter if i played or watched it................it was the same so judging it is the same.

So, your Shepard looked exactly like the guy who youtubed it, had the same LI as you, took the same squadmates with him, took the same weapons as you'd have, made the same decisions and turns. Its part of getting immersed in a game. And for that you have to actually play it. But yeah, you go ahead and judge every game by a youtube video, because, it's always the same, right?

No, but in the end it doesn't matter who you choose to be your LI, what your choices were or whatever you did basically I think that's more of his point tbh

Yes it did. It's part of the story I shaped in 3 games and how it ended. I don't need fluffy rainbows and happy blue children's faces to know hat.

Well as you know.. A story has a beginning an arc shapeed by choices and an end.
ME never was a game on rails it was about choices during a warstory...in the end the choices you made didn't have any impact on the ending..none whatsoever...for a rpg game based around (character) choice and alignment this is a huge let down... people who complain about the ending don't necesarily want the blue babies ending...just an ending that is in line with the rest of the game ( google spacemagic )

[clarkusdarkus]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

edisnooM wrote...

I haven't posted anything on BSN for a while, haven't really seen the point, but this topic has piqued my interest enough to reply. Probably not going to state anything groundbreaking though so feel free to give it a miss.

I find this entire situation very fascinating, BioWare and EA have in the past shown a great deal of pleasure in trumpeting their achievements. Making sure everyone is aware of how well they are doing and how successful they are. The sales numbers of ME3 being trotted out proudly at the beginning, and the attachment rate of From Ashes, even going so far as in the height of the ending furor to release a statement to the effect that ME3 had caused "One of the biggest fan reactions in gaming" and had "75 Perfect Scores", despite the ire this provoked amongst disgruntled fans.

They have always seemed to loudly announced their victories, and have shown a penchant for putting spin on their fumbles. But now they are conspicuously silent, and I cannot for the life of me think why. If the DLC is as successful as has been purported than that's PR gold. They should be making a press release, "In first month Leviathan outsells all previous DLC." Give it some context, stack it next LoTSB a DLC widely regarded as quite good, show how much better it sold. This is the sort of thing the execs should be salivating over, a golden egg they can toss to the press.

And yet silence. The only thing I have seen on sales has been Mr. Priestly's statements here, and begging his most evil pardon, but my trust for BioWare and their statements is at an all time low. The thing I question though is why don't they reveal the figures, if it was a rousing success, a vindication of their design, then they should be happily telling everyone in an official and proper manner with facts to back it up, and not in an offhanded comment on a forum.

The only thing I can think of is that either BioWare and EA have miraculously achieved humility (possible, but not a likely prospect) or there is perhaps more to this situation than we have been informed. And before anybody says it I freely admit I have no proof, only (and I hate this word) "speculations", but the maddening thing is that the people that have the proof one way or the other have shown no desire to reveal it.

Oddlye nough EA has been rather mum lately, period.

Fifa 13 and Madden have both done tremendously well, but overall the news coming from them has been relatively quiet as of late as a whole, so its not just a BW thing right now.

AS ffor BW in general, this post right here is proof positive that a tiny comment can cause quite a bit of rabble.  even if it was a relatively blank statement.

the BSN isn't exactly dev friendly these days.  Hell people complain about the announcement of ME3 coming to Wii-U which is relatively neutral news, then again they even complained about it going to PS3 so *shrugs*

FIFA/MADDEN will always sell well, thats there golden franchises as it was released not long ago regarding FIFA's pre-orders being a record or something. But then thats hardly news is it as those games sell by the bucketload..........

Best thing to come out of EA was Gameface 

[Siran]

Mastone wrote...

Well as you know.. A story has a beginning an arc shapeed by choices and an end.
ME never was a game on rails it was about choices during a warstory...in the end the choices you made didn't have any impact on the ending..none whatsoever...for a rpg game based around (character) choice and alignment this is a huge let down... people who complain about the ending don't necesarily want the blue babies ending...just an ending that is in line with the rest of the game ( google spacemagic )

Then somehow you seem to have missed how you're actions during the Geth / Quarian conflict or how you deal with the Genophage impacted the ending or how your alignment influenced the control ending. And those are just the major things. Just because you don't see every little detail you did on your journey in some sort of epilogue doesn't mean it had no impact. I'm afraid we won't see eye to eye here. To me, my story was completed with ME3, I saw what consequences my actions during all three games had, and not only in the ending. It rather seems to me you expected something ME could never deliver in the first place.

[Clayless]

Mastone wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...


Don't really see how other people buying something bothers you. You always have the option of getting over something you hate and don't want to support, after 8 months, and not getting worked up over something that makes no difference to your life.

Well it doesn't affect my life in a direct way, but it could be that it will affect my life in the future so that at some point you get a half finished game for which you have to pay the developer to properly finish it.
But the same could be said about you to, why can't you get over the fact that there are people who dislike the game and voice their opinion on the forum once in a while... so stop getting worked up over the fact that I have a different opinion ...you always have the option of getting over something you hate

People buying something doesn't affect your life but it MIGHT in the future if a different group of people decide to take an unrelated course of actions on a future hypothetical game? Really?

And please, you're vastly misunderstanding why I point out that people are getting worked up about something that doesn't affect their life/something they hate and are spending, probably more than they spent playing the entire series, of their time complaining about 8 months later on the official forums, and I'll give you a hint, it's not because it bothers me.

[Cainne Chapel]

clarkusdarkus wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

edisnooM wrote...

I haven't posted anything on BSN for a while, haven't really seen the point, but this topic has piqued my interest enough to reply. Probably not going to state anything groundbreaking though so feel free to give it a miss.

I find this entire situation very fascinating, BioWare and EA have in the past shown a great deal of pleasure in trumpeting their achievements. Making sure everyone is aware of how well they are doing and how successful they are. The sales numbers of ME3 being trotted out proudly at the beginning, and the attachment rate of From Ashes, even going so far as in the height of the ending furor to release a statement to the effect that ME3 had caused "One of the biggest fan reactions in gaming" and had "75 Perfect Scores", despite the ire this provoked amongst disgruntled fans.

They have always seemed to loudly announced their victories, and have shown a penchant for putting spin on their fumbles. But now they are conspicuously silent, and I cannot for the life of me think why. If the DLC is as successful as has been purported than that's PR gold. They should be making a press release, "In first month Leviathan outsells all previous DLC." Give it some context, stack it next LoTSB a DLC widely regarded as quite good, show how much better it sold. This is the sort of thing the execs should be salivating over, a golden egg they can toss to the press.

And yet silence. The only thing I have seen on sales has been Mr. Priestly's statements here, and begging his most evil pardon, but my trust for BioWare and their statements is at an all time low. The thing I question though is why don't they reveal the figures, if it was a rousing success, a vindication of their design, then they should be happily telling everyone in an official and proper manner with facts to back it up, and not in an offhanded comment on a forum.

The only thing I can think of is that either BioWare and EA have miraculously achieved humility (possible, but not a likely prospect) or there is perhaps more to this situation than we have been informed. And before anybody says it I freely admit I have no proof, only (and I hate this word) "speculations", but the maddening thing is that the people that have the proof one way or the other have shown no desire to reveal it.

Oddlye nough EA has been rather mum lately, period.

Fifa 13 and Madden have both done tremendously well, but overall the news coming from them has been relatively quiet as of late as a whole, so its not just a BW thing right now.

AS ffor BW in general, this post right here is proof positive that a tiny comment can cause quite a bit of rabble.  even if it was a relatively blank statement.

the BSN isn't exactly dev friendly these days.  Hell people complain about the announcement of ME3 coming to Wii-U which is relatively neutral news, then again they even complained about it going to PS3 so *shrugs*

FIFA/MADDEN will always sell well, thats there golden franchises as it was released not long ago regarding FIFA's pre-orders being a record or something. But then thats hardly news is it as those games sell by the bucketload..........

Best thing to come out of EA was Gameface 

True but Fifa and Madden both did BETTER than average this year (Granted they've also been some of the better reviewed versions of the series in years).  But the point still stands, even WITH that success they've been rather quiet lately as a whole.

Not a big fan of sports games myself so I dont know they're compelete history but thats waht I've been hearing

[edisnooM]

@Cainne Chapel

Well to be fair, when you're given only crumbs of information every scrap is a feast. :-)

As for dev-friendly I do think some people may take it a bit far, but odd things happen when you're seemingly ignored and disregarded. I do think that a consistent dialogue from the beginning could have alleviated a lot of the anger, the turtling strategy has only exasperated it I think.

[Cainne Chapel]

Mastone wrote...

Well as you know.. A story has a beginning an arc shapeed by choices and an end.
ME never was a game on rails it was about choices during a warstory...in the end the choices you made didn't have any impact on the ending..none whatsoever...for a rpg game based around (character) choice and alignment this is a huge let down... people who complain about the ending don't necesarily want the blue babies ending...just an ending that is in line with the rest of the game ( google spacemagic )

Look Mastone, I'm as much as a ME fanboy as anyone I know, knows.

That said, ME was ALWAYS on rails, it was never a freeform open story, even in ME1.  Choices at best were like frosting on a cake, you could change it sure and it could change the overall flavor, but the cake is still the same underneath.  The choices over the course of the game barely if ever effected the end choice in all 3 games (in most BW games honestly)

As for space magic, the whole series is built on it strangely, is it at least cursory explained? sure, but its still "the force", psychic power,s pace magic, whatever you want to call it.  Now we can argue if it could of been done better (as all things could).

But in the end I too was happy with it and my shepards felt like MY shepards at the end of the day despite the original non closured ending.  The EC did go a long way it making it better overall

[Cainne Chapel]

edisnooM wrote...

@Cainne Chapel

Well to be fair, when you're given only crumbs of information every scrap is a feast. :-)

As for dev-friendly I do think some people may take it a bit far, but odd things happen when you're seemingly ignored and disregarded. I do think that a consistent dialogue from the beginning could have alleviated a lot of the anger, the turtling strategy has only exasperated it I think.

Thats true, they could talk more, but I would reckon you would only expend so much of your time post launch to answering the same angst ridden questions that still exist to this day some months later.

In the early days (up until EC) they were decently active, but I guess it is a lot to expect devs to be on top things 6+ months later.  Very few games i know of are still that active that far after release outside of a few quips and quotes here and there.

[Mastone]

Siran wrote...

Mastone wrote...

Well as you know.. A story has a beginning an arc shapeed by choices and an end.
ME never was a game on rails it was about choices during a warstory...in the end the choices you made didn't have any impact on the ending..none whatsoever...for a rpg game based around (character) choice and alignment this is a huge let down... people who complain about the ending don't necesarily want the blue babies ending...just an ending that is in line with the rest of the game ( google spacemagic )

Then somehow you seem to have missed how you're actions during the Geth / Quarian conflict or how you deal with the Genophage impacted the ending or how your alignment influenced the control ending. And those are just the major things. Just because you don't see every little detail you did on your journey in some sort of epilogue doesn't mean it had no impact. I'm afraid we won't see eye to eye here. To me, my story was completed with ME3, I saw what consequences my actions during all three games had, and not only in the ending. It rather seems to me you expected something ME could never deliver in the first place.

Okay Siran I"ll play along...what did it matter when you saved the Geth or the Quarians or both?
Did you actually see the rebuilding of the society they ( both) build up or was it done in a cheap voice over sentence...
I saved the rachni Queen twice but it didn't impact anything.
if you ****ed up erveything but made sure you were online often enough you would get a high rating and still get a decent ending ...that's not even remotely realistic or fitting for a choice based game

If Bioware couldn't deliver  a multiple ending story based on choice (  I am not talking about every little detail only the storyimpacting ones) they shouldn't have lied through their teeth about it....and endings do matter the greatest storytellers of all time will disagree with you about the fact that an ending is just a byproduct.

And yes we will disagree on this part but that's okay with me

[locsphere]

David7204 wrote...

I should point out that mixed reviews by the BSN equates to very good reviews by pretty much everyone else.

^
This

You want a real video game review? Seek out where the majority of the fans meet. The rest is just patting each other on the backs. 

[Mastone]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Mastone wrote...

Well as you know.. A story has a beginning an arc shapeed by choices and an end.
ME never was a game on rails it was about choices during a warstory...in the end the choices you made didn't have any impact on the ending..none whatsoever...for a rpg game based around (character) choice and alignment this is a huge let down... people who complain about the ending don't necesarily want the blue babies ending...just an ending that is in line with the rest of the game ( google spacemagic )

Look Mastone, I'm as much as a ME fanboy as anyone I know, knows.

That said, ME was ALWAYS on rails, it was never a freeform open story, even in ME1.  Choices at best were like frosting on a cake, you could change it sure and it could change the overall flavor, but the cake is still the same underneath.  The choices over the course of the game barely if ever effected the end choice in all 3 games (in most BW games honestly)

As for space magic, the whole series is built on it strangely, is it at least cursory explained? sure, but its still "the force", psychic power,s pace magic, whatever you want to call it.  Now we can argue if it could of been done better (as all things could).

But in the end I too was happy with it and my shepards felt like MY shepards at the end of the day despite the original non closured ending.  The EC did go a long way it making it better overall

I won't hold it against you.. I used to be a fanboy myself so I can relate .
Well sure they build a framework on which they developed the story, but when I played ME1 I really had to make relevant choices and there were some nice twists during this ride.... I could pick who survived Virmire, if I made friends with Wrex, if I let the council die or not, in ME2 that was much much less but I figured they saved everything for the grand finale...instead they really stopped focussing on the RPG aspect of ME and went for a gear of wars approach...but didn't tell people they were doing this....instead they lied about it.
The spacemagic is something so out of canon for mass effect that this among other things totally messed up the game and the canon.

to me this is why ME will never regain my confidence.. simply because of the fact they are going the shooter route...if I want to play a shooter I would buy battlefield or modern warfare or one of countless others ...i like rpg's but sadly Bioware stopped making them since ME2 -ish

[Siran]

Mastone wrote...

Okay Siran I"ll play along...what did it matter when you saved the Geth or the Quarians or both?
Did you actually see the rebuilding of the society they ( both) build up or was it done in a cheap voice over sentence...

How long do you think an epilogue that shows everything would have gone? I don't need a 2h epilogue to show me how the Quarians reclaim Rannoch (bits of that are already shown in ME3 anyway, even before the ending) or the Krogan getting babies. The EC gives enough information and closure that you can picture that they fare on. I'm sorry, but a little imagination in a sci-fi fantasy RPG isn't that hard to do, is it? If your main concern is "I didn't see each and every choice play out" than I'm afraid ME3 could have never satisfied you since you can't let it go. You don't want it to end.

I saved the rachni Queen twice but it didn't impact anything.

Concerning the Rachni I agree to a certain point. That choice wasn't handled as well as it could have been, considering how major it was in ME1. In the end they either betray you (if you chose to keep the cloned Queen) or they help you and maybe even repopulate Tuchanka (if you saved the "real" Queen") and sabotaged the cure. Not as big as I'd hoped, but I can live with it.

if you ****ed up erveything but made sure you were online often enough you would get a high rating and still get a decent ending ...that's not even remotely realistic or fitting for a choice based game

I don't even know, what you mean by that. If someone failed to save the Geth, or waited to long to save Jack on Grissom Academy, or told Kelly to stay on the Citadel, those choices stay, they are not changed by how often you were online or played the Multiplayer (I'm guessing that's what you mean). You can play the Multiplayer to influence the last choice you make, meaning if you get the Synthesis ending or the "breath" scene but those are influenced by your war assets - be they collected through single player campaign actions or through the Multiplayer teams you promote. But you don't save the Geth or Quarians through Multiplayer, let alone cure the Krogans.

Modifié par Siran, 29 septembre 2012 - 10:31 .

[Mastone]

Siran wrote...

Mastone wrote...

Okay Siran I"ll play along...what did it matter when you saved the Geth or the Quarians or both?
Did you actually see the rebuilding of the society they ( both) build up or was it done in a cheap voice over sentence...

How long do you think an epilogue that shows everything would have gone? I don't need a 2h epilogue to show me how the Quarians reclaim Rannoch (bits of that are already shown in ME3 anyway, even before the ending) or the Krogan getting babies. The EC gives enough information and closure that you can picture that they fare on. I'm sorry, but a little imagination in a sci-fi fantasy RPG isn't that hard to do, is it? If your main concern is "I didn't see each and every choice play out" than I'm afraid ME3 could have never satisfied you.

I saved the rachni Queen twice but it didn't impact anything.

Concerning the Rachni I agree to a certain point. That choice wasn't handled as well as it could have been, considering how major it was in ME1. In the end they either betray you (if you chose to keep the cloned Queen) or they help you and maybe even repopulate Tuchanka (if you saved the "real" Queen") and sabotaged the cure. Not as big as I'd hoped, but I can live with it.

if you ****ed up erveything but made sure you were online often enough you would get a high rating and still get a decent ending ...that's not even remotely realistic or fitting for a choice based game

I don't even know, what you mean by that. If someone failed to save the Geth, or waited to long to save Jack on Grissom Academy, or told Kelly to stay on the Citadel, those choices stay, they are not changed by how often you were online or played the Multiplayer (I'm guessing that's what you mean). You can play the Multiplayer to influence the last choice you make, meaning if you get the Synthesis ending or the "breath" scene but those are influenced by your war assets - be they collected through single player campaign actions or through the Multiplayer teams you promote. But you don't save the Geth or Quarians through Multiplayer, let alone cure the Krogans.

Again I am not going for a perfect blue babies ending...my point is, that it professes to be a game where choices matter, while in the end it matters more if you spend more time on a multiplayer than the choices you make.

I am also not proclaiming that they should put in every little choice and incorporate it in a pixar style movie, I would applaude them for doing it and I wish they (still) had that kind of dedication...but sadly they went for quick conceptart slides and a voiceover.... in the end they fell short in a lot of ways .
That you still like it is of course your right, but for me they failed miserably it's like if tolkien in the end just destroyed middle earth by a comet that comes down destroying everything in a green explosion.
tell me would you have liked lord of the rings then? ( if you like lotr at all that is)

[edisnooM]

@Cainne Chapel

Huh, well maybe I missed something, but in the early days I remember them being decidedly inactive, a couple "We're listening" and "If you only knew what we had planned, you'd keep your savegames for ever", but not a lot of discussion with fans that I remember. I mean Hudson and Walters up and vanished and are still MIA. Compared to how vocal they seemed immediately preceding ME3's launch that's a bit of a contrast.

I saw several people with very well thought out and serious diagnosis of problems with the ending, from design standpoints, narratively, thematically, not "angst ridden" (and here's another word I hate)"whining", but legitimate questions and concerns, and they were never acknowledged in any form that I recall. There was actually one thread that went on for over 200 pages with some of the best analysis and polite discourse I'd seen, without a single response from anyone at BioWare.

I mean they don't have to interact with fans, it's not a requirement for them, but I don't think they should be overly surprised if some fans are still upset when their concerns and problems were not acknowledged, much less addressed.

[Mastone]

edisnooM wrote...

@Cainne Chapel

Huh, well maybe I missed something, but in the early days I remember them being decidedly inactive, a couple "We're listening" and "If you only knew what we had planned, you'd keep your savegames for ever", but not a lot of discussion with fans that I remember. I mean Hudson and Walters up and vanished and are still MIA. Compared to how vocal they seemed immediately preceding ME3's launch that's a bit of a contrast.

I saw several people with very well thought out and serious diagnosis of problems with the ending, from design standpoints, narratively, thematically, not "angst ridden" (and here's another word I hate)"whining", but legitimate questions and concerns, and they were never acknowledged in any form that I recall. There was actually one thread that went on for over 200 pages with some of the best analysis and polite discourse I'd seen, without a single response from anyone at BioWare.

I mean they don't have to interact with fans, it's not a requirement for them, but I don't think they should be overly surprised if some fans are still upset when their concerns and problems were not acknowledged, much less addressed.

Hello "moonside"
Well tbh I don't think they can acknowledge each and every fan grievance...but that being said they should work on the issues in general.
My guess is that they dismiss these serious shortcomings as entitling little whiners and actually think they made an awesome game and continue on this dark and dampy road

[Mastone]

john_sheparrd wrote...

great that it selled so well !!
loved it

Well we look a like ...but we differ a lot on the insde I guess hahahaha

[MegaSovereign]

Mastone wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Mastone wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

clarkusdarkus wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Mastone wrote...

I haven't spend even a penny on Bioware after the **** of the ME franchise and watched this on YouTube.
The thing is, is that the ending is so absolutely terrible and overshadowing that it ruins everything I do in the game.
ME1 made me want more, ME2 was not as good but entertaining nonetheless and I bought every DLC that came out when I finished ME3 I was first outraged about the stupidity of the game, the writers and everything ME after a while it was indifference and now I find myself not understanding why people like this and keep supporting the game and the business that made it when after all that has transpired ( the lying, first day DLC, horrible ending and lots more I guess) they still continue to do so....

just like i don't understand why people like you still come here to gripe 8 months after the fact. 

watch out.......got a badass over here:bandit:

It's not that badass to point out that you don't understand why people who hate the franchise and want the business to fail still come here almost 8 months later.

Anyway good to see it's sold well. Can't wait for Omega.

LOL, I don't want the bussines of Bioware to fail I just want that they see that they have failed and yes I understand different people have different opinions, I just don't get why people with half a brain still buy content for a game that has failed to deliver on its promises on the verge of lying.
It's not griping by the way.... I 'm just one of those people who can't say it's a lovely day when it's pouring outside and get annoyed by people who say the sun shines somewhere beyond the clouds and are looking for a mere glimpse of sunlight to prove to me that it is a sunny day after all.

Wow, so you think only stupid people bought Leviathan?

**** off.

Well that isn't overly friendly....the sad thing is these are your own words, I would simply go for naive or over optimistic...but if you instead go for stupid be my guest

Yea sorry for confusing having less than "half a brain "with being stupid.

I just don't get why people with half a brain still buy content for a
game that has failed to deliver on its promises on the verge of lying.

^ Yup nothing insulting about what you said! Silly me!

[The Spamming Troll]

Chris Priestly wrote...

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Seafood is always popular.

*chuckle*

It has been our largest selling DLC to date, but I'm not going into specific numbers.

seriously?

hmmmmm, this little tid bit is making me think, and its not good when TST starts a thinkin!

bioware isnt gonig to make another mass effect game that im going to like. if leviathon is their biggest seller, of their most complained about game, then how am i to expect something different??? theyll make some games that other people will like, but not one i will like. im not a fan of bioware, im a fan of ME1, and that sucks for me.