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Dragoonlordz wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

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There is no way that it sold well.

-EA voted worst comp in the world...
-Two top dogs of Bioware "retiring" because of ME3 and SWTOR bad gamer reviews...
-Hate for the lack of devs connection to fans in the series is "still" on-going...
-People "still" want a different ending...
-Most of long time fans are gone...

Bioware lies.

However the long time fans ARE being replaced by newer fans to the series (PS3 owners and the like) that do NOT really care for a meaningful game that makes sense.


What gives you the impression you have been a fan longer than me? I do not see myself being replaced because I still enjoy Bioware games yet I am a very long time fan. You don't have to believe what Bioware tells you but they would know more than other people here whether or not it did or did not sell well. So if they say it sold well, I am far more likely to believe them than you as example.


In further corporate generated news Cigarettes are good for you and don't cause cancer, Alcohol "Realigns your humours" and Cocaine is the perfect pick me up!

See wut I did thar?


Yep, you made youself look very silly. There is actual proof of those things which anyone has access too regarding what is factual and what is not. What the person I responded to does not have is any sales data to back up the claim it that DLC did not sell well.


No, you've just made yourself look silly.

All of those things were stated by corporations at the time and were later proved to be complete liars.

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Dragoonlordz wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

KevShep wrote...

There is no way that it sold well.

-EA voted worst comp in the world...
-Two top dogs of Bioware "retiring" because of ME3 and SWTOR bad gamer reviews...
-Hate for the lack of devs connection to fans in the series is "still" on-going...
-People "still" want a different ending...
-Most of long time fans are gone...

Bioware lies.

However the long time fans ARE being replaced by newer fans to the series (PS3 owners and the like) that do NOT really care for a meaningful game that makes sense.


What gives you the impression you have been a fan longer than me? I do not see myself being replaced because I still enjoy Bioware games yet I am a very long time fan. You don't have to believe what Bioware tells you but they would know more than other people here whether or not it did or did not sell well. So if they say it sold well, I am far more likely to believe them than you as example.


In further corporate generated news Cigarettes are good for you and don't cause cancer, Alcohol "Realigns your humours" and Cocaine is the perfect pick me up!

See wut I did thar?


Yep, you made youself look very silly. There is actual proof of those things which anyone has access too regarding what is factual and what is not. What the person I responded to does not have is any sales data to back up the claim it that DLC did not sell well.


Neither does Chris, so why are you even arguing this?

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MegaSovereign wrote...

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"Largest selling DLC to date"

Somehow, I'm reminded of DA2 where everything was going so well right up until the last second


What do you mean?


Before the DA2 team admitted that the DLC sales for DA2 were abyssmal they continued to state how well everything was going, how much MORE was coming and how excited people were for new content.

Then two DLC's in, one cancelation and a Videogame pannel later we find out that DLC sales were damn near 1/5th or so of DA:O sales if I recall correctly And DA2's reception was warm and fuzzy by comparison

So when Chris says, despite absolutely everything pointing to the oposite, "biggest selling DLC to date" I'm more than a little skeptical.

A company, for any number of reasons won't come out and just flat out state "Yeah. Our **** isn't moving"

Weekes got his coat pulled for even SUGESTING they might sell poorly before Leviathan released. "Future content depends on the success of leviathan"

Then barely two days later a day or so before or after Levi released (don't recall) "Oh you don't have to worry about more content. We have lots planned and are working on it! Slip of the tongue:lol:." (Paraphrasing)

So yeah. I'm skeptical on the statement.

Also, though its nitpicking (I tend to do that) "Biggest Selling" could actually be Chris using word play. Which he's known to do in the past Biggest selling does not equal best. Could mean "BIGGEST" as in filesize.

I haven't downloaded Levi so I have no idea how big it is or how it compares to LotSB in size. But that could be a meaning *shrug* A nit pick as I said, but as I also said he's known to do it every now and again. (Usually did it to prank us rather than reassure people of the success of his company though)


You might just be over-analyzing this though.

Pre-release polls for Leviathan showed quite a bit of people who voted that they were planning to buy it.


I never even heard about an official poll for Levi, and if your mentioning the one or two that were seen here made by normal forum users I didn't even bother voting. I can't speak for EVERYONE of course but by that point I didn't really care for a poll that Bioware may or may not read.

Despite what a lot of Pro-enders seem to think people don't like repeating themselves over and over again. I didn't see a point in voting on a poll for a DLC that was already planned in which I already commented that I had no interest in buying. Many people here expressed no interest in buying. Why vote on a poll that was just a rehash of what we'd seen/said repeatedly leading up to the release date?

And if it was somewhere outside the BSN, like facebook or something, you have to remember that the people STILL discontent have also moved on/sold the game back. Why in the world would they get on facebook for a poll that doesn't affect them for a game they no longer own/care about?

A lot of things affect the natures of polls.

Not EVERY poll is invalid of course. Mikec9 and the EC poll I believe was VERY well done and very much valid because it was announced through several mediums, including Facebook, BSN, Gamefaqs, Gameinformer, Games Archive, Games Blender, HTL and IGN.

So yeah, with that one even if people who had sold their copies back may have gotten wind of it and voted along with people who are happy and don't join these forums/polls in general.

So I say that one since it was announced everywhere and got a sizable chunk of people, 12,000 or so, I can buy. But a rag tag poll here on the BSN after a massive portion of the unsatisfied have washed their hands of it? No.

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KevShep wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

KevShep wrote...

There is no way that it sold well.

-EA voted worst comp in the world...
-Two top dogs of Bioware "retiring" because of ME3 and SWTOR bad gamer reviews...
-Hate for the lack of devs connection to fans in the series is "still" on-going...
-People "still" want a different ending...
-Most of long time fans are gone...

Bioware lies.

However the long time fans ARE being replaced by newer fans to the series (PS3 owners and the like) that do NOT really care for a meaningful game that makes sense.


What gives you the impression you have been a fan longer than me or that the long time fans are being replaced? I do not see myself being replaced because I still enjoy Bioware games yet I am a very long time fan. You don't have to believe what Bioware tells you but they would know more than other people here whether or not it did or did not sell well. So if they say it sold well, I am far more likely to believe them than you as example.


Who said Iam talking about you?


I am a long time fan, a lot of the people who like the ending are long time fans, my point was you cannot generalise based on long time fans being replaced by new ones because not all people who dislike the ending are long time fans, not all of the ones that like it are long time fans, not all new fans like it and not all new fans don't. Your generalisation does not actual work.

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Hexley UK wrote...

No, you've just made yourself look silly.

All of those things were stated by corporations at the time and were later proved to be complete liars.


You are very ignorant to what I said. I said out of the two people, the one who actually has the data is more believable than a disgruntled fan with no access to such. Now if the disgruntled fan can prove his statement backed up with actual sales data which I would give more credence to his stance, until that time I said I would take Chris's word over his.

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Dragoonlordz wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

KevShep wrote...

There is no way that it sold well.

-EA voted worst comp in the world...
-Two top dogs of Bioware "retiring" because of ME3 and SWTOR bad gamer reviews...
-Hate for the lack of devs connection to fans in the series is "still" on-going...
-People "still" want a different ending...
-Most of long time fans are gone...

Bioware lies.

However the long time fans ARE being replaced by newer fans to the series (PS3 owners and the like) that do NOT really care for a meaningful game that makes sense.


What gives you the impression you have been a fan longer than me or that the long time fans are being replaced? I do not see myself being replaced because I still enjoy Bioware games yet I am a very long time fan. You don't have to believe what Bioware tells you but they would know more than other people here whether or not it did or did not sell well. So if they say it sold well, I am far more likely to believe them than you as example.


Who said Iam talking about you?


I am a long time fan, a lot of the people who like the ending are long time fans, my point was you cannot generalise based on long time fans being replaced by new ones because not all people who dislike the ending are long time fans, not all of the ones that like it are long time fans, not all new fans like it and not all new fans don't. Your generalisation does not actual work.


As I generalized so did you just now.

Point is, I have "some" data to go off of and you dont. The points I made seem clear that all is not right at Bioware.

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Chris Priestly wrote...
*chuckle*

It has been our largest selling DLC to date, but I'm not going into specific numbers.




:devil:


I find that hard to believe unless by some narrow metric. The DLC has only been out a month.


As others have said, the only thing that could push it over the top is PS3 sales due to all ME2 DLC being included. I wonder how Leviathan sales compare if you count every DLC bundled with the ME2 PS3 release as a sale.

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KevShep wrote...

However the long time fans ARE being replaced by newer fans to the series (PS3 owners and the like) that do NOT really care for a meaningful game that makes sense.

Pssh, not a day goes by without seeing rubbish like this.

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Not EVERY poll is invalid of course. Mikec9 and the EC poll I believe was VERY well done and very much valid because it was announced through several mediums, including Facebook, BSN, Gamefaqs, Gameinformer, Games Archive, Games Blender, HTL and IGN.


Well, you've still got the self-selection problem with that poll. Though it's about as good as anyone's going to do.

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No, you've just made yourself look silly.

All of those things were stated by corporations at the time and were later proved to be complete liars.


You are very ignorant to what I said. I said out of the two people, the one who actually has the data is more believable than a disgruntled fan with no access to such. Now if the disgruntled fan can prove his statement backed up with actual sales data which I said I would take Chris's word over his.


And you are very ignorant to what I said. I don't have numbers, no one does until Bioware releases it. But I don't need hard numbers. By sheer reception, events, Bioware's previous reactions to mediocre DLC sales, statements and actions with their own employees to the suggestion Leviathan might not sell well you can put two and two together.

If you can't that's more your problem than mine.

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Honest question, as I really don't know the answer to this - where's the value in NOT telling us how many copies of Leviathan they've sold?

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AlanC9 wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

Not EVERY poll is invalid of course. Mikec9 and the EC poll I believe was VERY well done and very much valid because it was announced through several mediums, including Facebook, BSN, Gamefaqs, Gameinformer, Games Archive, Games Blender, HTL and IGN.


Well, you've still got the self-selection problem with that poll. Though it's about as good as anyone's going to do.


Hmmm???Ya lost me, what self selection problem. A little confused:?

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KevShep wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I am a long time fan, a lot of the people who like the ending are long time fans, my point was you cannot generalise based on long time fans being replaced by new ones because not all people who dislike the ending are long time fans, not all of the ones that like it are long time fans, not all new fans like it and not all new fans don't. Your generalisation does not actual work.


As I generalized so did you just now.

Point is, I have "some" data to go off of and you dont. The points I made seem clear that all is not right at Bioware.


So prove it, show this data you claim to have which shows long time fans are being replaced by new ones that do not care about meaningful games that make sense. You claim have data then show it.

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Bester76 wrote...

Honest question, as I really don't know the answer to this - where's the value in NOT telling us how many copies of Leviathan they've sold?


no company would tell that

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Bester76 wrote...

Honest question, as I really don't know the answer to this - where's the value in NOT telling us how many copies of Leviathan they've sold?


They wouldn't even talk to us about the ending. Why should we expect communication now? Also, I don't believe any other DLC sales were made public.

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Bester76 wrote...

Honest question, as I really don't know the answer to this - where's the value in NOT telling us how many copies of Leviathan they've sold?


If the DLC sales are horrible and they release it then that makes investors nervous. You don't want to make the deep pockets nervous because then they pull back their money.

If the DLC sales are great...then I don't know what the downside could be to releasing them. In this case might even move to reassure some of those nervous investors since EA won worst company, the reception, the EC still largely being considered mediocre on average ect ect.

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Hudathan wrote...

KevShep wrote...

However the long time fans ARE being replaced by newer fans to the series (PS3 owners and the like) that do NOT really care for a meaningful game that makes sense.

Pssh, not a day goes by without seeing rubbish like this.


Iam speaking along the lines of gamers that are not into 100 hours games are the ones replacing the long timers that have left. I mentioned PS3 because most of its gamers are not as well known with the series as Xboxers and PCers.

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ld1449 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

No, you've just made yourself look silly.

All of those things were stated by corporations at the time and were later proved to be complete liars.


You are very ignorant to what I said. I said out of the two people, the one who actually has the data is more believable than a disgruntled fan with no access to such. Now if the disgruntled fan can prove his statement backed up with actual sales data which I said I would take Chris's word over his.


And you are very ignorant to what I said. I don't have numbers, no one does until Bioware releases it. But I don't need hard numbers. By sheer reception, events, Bioware's previous reactions to mediocre DLC sales, statements and actions with their own employees to the suggestion Leviathan might not sell well you can put two and two together.

If you can't that's more your problem than mine.


Not at all, I said if you ever come up with such proof then show it and I will believe you, until that time I will take Chris's word over yours. No point in throwing a tantrum about it. If you don't have the sales data as evidence then why are you and couple others whining about me not believing you over Chris. When you have proof show it and I will believe you, until that time I don't.

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AresKeith wrote...

Bester76 wrote...

Honest question, as I really don't know the answer to this - where's the value in NOT telling us how many copies of Leviathan they've sold?


no company would tell that


They did when they canceled DLC for DA2. The numbers really were the definition of scraping the barrel.

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AresKeith wrote...

Bester76 wrote...

Honest question, as I really don't know the answer to this - where's the value in NOT telling us how many copies of Leviathan they've sold?


no company would tell that


Well no, they wouldn't, but again I don't really see why not. Particularly if it's a 'best seller'.

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KevShep wrote...

Iam speaking along the lines of gamers that are not into 100 hours games are the ones replacing the long timers that have left. I mentioned PS3 because most of its gamers are not as well known with the series as Xboxers and PCers.

The ending debate has nothing to do with consoles, there are people on both sides of the argument regardless of platform.

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ld1449 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

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"Largest selling DLC to date"

Somehow, I'm reminded of DA2 where everything was going so well right up until the last second


What do you mean?


Before the DA2 team admitted that the DLC sales for DA2 were abyssmal they continued to state how well everything was going, how much MORE was coming and how excited people were for new content.

Then two DLC's in, one cancelation and a Videogame pannel later we find out that DLC sales were damn near 1/5th or so of DA:O sales if I recall correctly And DA2's reception was warm and fuzzy by comparison

So when Chris says, despite absolutely everything pointing to the oposite, "biggest selling DLC to date" I'm more than a little skeptical.

A company, for any number of reasons won't come out and just flat out state "Yeah. Our **** isn't moving"

Weekes got his coat pulled for even SUGESTING they might sell poorly before Leviathan released. "Future content depends on the success of leviathan"

Then barely two days later a day or so before or after Levi released (don't recall) "Oh you don't have to worry about more content. We have lots planned and are working on it! Slip of the tongue:lol:." (Paraphrasing)

So yeah. I'm skeptical on the statement.

Also, though its nitpicking (I tend to do that) "Biggest Selling" could actually be Chris using word play. Which he's known to do in the past Biggest selling does not equal best. Could mean "BIGGEST" as in filesize.

I haven't downloaded Levi so I have no idea how big it is or how it compares to LotSB in size. But that could be a meaning *shrug* A nit pick as I said, but as I also said he's known to do it every now and again. (Usually did it to prank us rather than reassure people of the success of his company though)


You might just be over-analyzing this though.

Pre-release polls for Leviathan showed quite a bit of people who voted that they were planning to buy it.


I never even heard about an official poll for Levi, and if your mentioning the one or two that were seen here made by normal forum users I didn't even bother voting. I can't speak for EVERYONE of course but by that point I didn't really care for a poll that Bioware may or may not read.

Despite what a lot of Pro-enders seem to think people don't like repeating themselves over and over again. I didn't see a point in voting on a poll for a DLC that was already planned in which I already commented that I had no interest in buying. Many people here expressed no interest in buying. Why vote on a poll that was just a rehash of what we'd seen/said repeatedly leading up to the release date?

And if it was somewhere outside the BSN, like facebook or something, you have to remember that the people STILL discontent have also moved on/sold the game back. Why in the world would they get on facebook for a poll that doesn't affect them for a game they no longer own/care about?

A lot of things affect the natures of polls.

Not EVERY poll is invalid of course. Mikec9 and the EC poll I believe was VERY well done and very much valid because it was announced through several mediums, including Facebook, BSN, Gamefaqs, Gameinformer, Games Archive, Games Blender, HTL and IGN.

So yeah, with that one even if people who had sold their copies back may have gotten wind of it and voted along with people who are happy and don't join these forums/polls in general.

So I say that one since it was announced everywhere and got a sizable chunk of people, 12,000 or so, I can buy. But a rag tag poll here on the BSN after a massive portion of the unsatisfied have washed their hands of it? No.


Look, Chris had no reason to respond to this thread. Calling him out when he hasn't really said anything shocking is uncalled for and IMO a bit excessive.

Naturally, Leviathan would sell pretty well compared to previous DLC considering the addition of the PS3 base.

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Dragoonlordz wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I am a long time fan, a lot of the people who like the ending are long time fans, my point was you cannot generalise based on long time fans being replaced by new ones because not all people who dislike the ending are long time fans, not all of the ones that like it are long time fans, not all new fans like it and not all new fans don't. Your generalisation does not actual work.


As I generalized so did you just now.

Point is, I have "some" data to go off of and you dont. The points I made seem clear that all is not right at Bioware.


So prove it, show this data you claim to have which shows long time fans are being replaced by new ones that do not care about meaningful games that make sense. You claim have data then show it.


I dont mean any disrespect first off. Second Ive already stated some evidence that it did not sell well.

You dont have a DLC sell well if your in damage control as well as having your top dogs quit the company because of ME3 and SWTOR(thats a major sign).

The only way that it can sell well is if its new blood ( or new fans).

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Hudathan wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Iam speaking along the lines of gamers that are not into 100 hours games are the ones replacing the long timers that have left. I mentioned PS3 because most of its gamers are not as well known with the series as Xboxers and PCers.

The ending debate has nothing to do with consoles, there are people on both sides of the argument regardless of platform.


Correct, just like has nothing to do with long time or short time fanbases for exactly the same reason.

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Dragoonlordz wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

No, you've just made yourself look silly.

All of those things were stated by corporations at the time and were later proved to be complete liars.


You are very ignorant to what I said. I said out of the two people, the one who actually has the data is more believable than a disgruntled fan with no access to such. Now if the disgruntled fan can prove his statement backed up with actual sales data which I said I would take Chris's word over his.


And you are very ignorant to what I said. I don't have numbers, no one does until Bioware releases it. But I don't need hard numbers. By sheer reception, events, Bioware's previous reactions to mediocre DLC sales, statements and actions with their own employees to the suggestion Leviathan might not sell well you can put two and two together.

If you can't that's more your problem than mine.


Not at all, I said if you ever come up with such proof then show it and I will believe you, until that time I will take Chris's word over yours. No point in throwing a tantrum about it. If you don't have the sales data as evidence then why are you and couple others whining about me not believing you over Chris. When you have proof show it and I will believe you, until that time I don't.


Are we whining about you not believing us? Or are you ****ing about us not believing Chris?

Am I throwing a tantrum? Or am I responding in a manner beffiting to the level of discussion you bring to the table?

Does Chris have the sales data? Has he seen it first hand? Perhaps he has. Perhaps he hasn't. Perhaps he just decided to state the truth or state his wishful thinking?

Do you know for certain