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[Dragoonlordz]

KevShep wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Would you buy the DLC if your experence was bad to start with? If yes then why?

I know that most poeple are not made of money and would then spend there money on things that return the payment in enjoyment. Why buy that if its about what you hate in the first place? 

I did not like DA2 but I bought all the story DLC because I thought I might enjoy it more than the core game.

I did enjoy them more than the core game. They gradually got better and better as each one was released.

I guess you have money to spend.

Iam passionate enough that if a game dev gets lazy or betrays its fans then I will not buy anything from them again.

Thats why IAM still here as well as other ME3 haters.

You have no idea whether I have much money to spend or not. This is another assumption that should not use.

You will probably find a vast amount of people are willing to buy DLC based on whether or not they will enjoy that content vs whether or not fixes the issue they have with another part of the original game. The reality is none of the conspiracy theories from those who hate the ending or the game have any any proof that it did not sell well. Between their lack of evidence and the word of someone who has access to more information about this subject than themselves, out of the two most people who are not confined to bitterness will take the word of the person with the data over the person without.

[KevShep]

CronoDragoon wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Would you buy the DLC if your experence was bad to start with? If yes then why?

I know that most poeple are not made of money and would then spend there money on things that return the payment in enjoyment. Why buy that if its about what you hate in the first place? 

I did not like DA2 but I bought all the story DLC because I thought I might enjoy it more than the core game.

I did enjoy them more than the core game. They gradually got better and better as each one was released.

I guess you have money to spend.

Iam passionate enough that if a game dev gets lazy or betrays its fans then I will not buy anything from them again.

Thats why IAM still here as well as other ME3 haters.

Anyone with videogames has money to spend, dude. Not going to address the rest of the grandstanding.

 
Uh, no not true. some of us have jobs and have to support ourselves.

[KevShep]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Would you buy the DLC if your experence was bad to start with? If yes then why?

I know that most poeple are not made of money and would then spend there money on things that return the payment in enjoyment. Why buy that if its about what you hate in the first place? 

I did not like DA2 but I bought all the story DLC because I thought I might enjoy it more than the core game.

I did enjoy them more than the core game. They gradually got better and better as each one was released.

I guess you have money to spend.

Iam passionate enough that if a game dev gets lazy or betrays its fans then I will not buy anything from them again.

Thats why IAM still here as well as other ME3 haters.

You have no idea whether I have much money to spend or not. This is another assumption that should not use.

You will probably find a vast amount of people are willing to buy DLC based on whether or not they will enjoy that content vs whether or not fixes the issue they have with another part of the original game. The reality is none of the conspiracy theories from those who hate the ending or the game have any any proof that it did not sell well. Between their lack of evidence and the word of someone who has access to more information about this subject than themselves, out of the two most people who are not confined to bitterness will take the word of the person with the data over the person without.

the lack of evidence to the opposed is even less. As Ive said I have evidence and you dont....see my OP

[CronoDragoon]

KevShep wrote...

Uh, no not true. some of us have jobs and have to support ourselves.

I have a job and I support myself. If I didn't have free money to spend, I wouldn't buy videogames, but save it or spent it on car repairs or home improvement. The fact that you have videogames means you have "money to spend". Please don't try the "look at me I have a paycheck!" condescension anymore.

[KevShep]

CronoDragoon wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Uh, no not true. some of us have jobs and have to support ourselves.

I have a job and I support myself. If I didn't have free money to spend, I wouldn't buy videogames, but save it or spent it on car repairs or home improvement. The fact that you have videogames means you have "money to spend". Please don't try the "look at me I have a paycheck!" condescension anymore.

I dont get to buy games but once or twice a year if that. I have to spend smart for it. 

[3DandBeyond]

David7204 wrote...

I should point out that mixed reviews by the BSN equates to very good reviews by pretty much everyone else.

Actually, it wasn't given really great reviews by IGN and the other big review sites.  Some called it meh, said it was good visually, fun, but pointless when you already know the ending.  You can google them and read the reviews.

[Dragoonlordz]

KevShep wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Would you buy the DLC if your experence was bad to start with? If yes then why?

I know that most poeple are not made of money and would then spend there money on things that return the payment in enjoyment. Why buy that if its about what you hate in the first place? 

I did not like DA2 but I bought all the story DLC because I thought I might enjoy it more than the core game.

I did enjoy them more than the core game. They gradually got better and better as each one was released.

I guess you have money to spend.

Iam passionate enough that if a game dev gets lazy or betrays its fans then I will not buy anything from them again.

Thats why IAM still here as well as other ME3 haters.

You have no idea whether I have much money to spend or not. This is another assumption that should not use.

You will probably find a vast amount of people are willing to buy DLC based on whether or not they will enjoy that content vs whether or not fixes the issue they have with another part of the original game. The reality is none of the conspiracy theories from those who hate the ending or the game have any any proof that it did not sell well. Between their lack of evidence and the word of someone who has access to more information about this subject than themselves, out of the two most people who are not confined to bitterness will take the word of the person with the data over the person without.

the lack of evidence to the opposed is even less. As Ive said I have evidence and you dont....see my OP

You have evidence of why you do not trust them, you do not have evidence they are lying about sales of the leviathan DLC. The two things are not the same for the simple reason the DLC could of sold very well despite your lack of trust.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 29 septembre 2012 - 04:02 .

[eddieoctane]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Naturally, Leviathan would sell pretty well compared to previous DLC considering the addition of the PS3 base.

Which is why I said the only way to really consider how "well" Leviathan is selling is to look at DLC sales as a % of current game sales and compare that against LotSB sales against PC and 360 game sales. If Leviathan sold 300,000 more downloads than LotSB, but 45% of owners paid for the LotSB download and 30% paid for Leviathan, you have a valid metric. The addition of the PS3 release swelled the base and thus inflates all purely unit-based sales figures.

But without EA releasing the numbers in any form, Chris said absolutely nothing. It's like when any of us were kids and told our parents that we were doing fine in school despite not doing any social studies homework for the last 3 weeks. Even if you don't show your mom and dad your test grades, at the end of the year, that F is going to result in summer school or being held back, and they will find out. If the figures for Leviathan aren't as great as Chris claims, DLC will be canceled, support will be dropped, and BioWare will be confirmed as dead.

AresKeith wrote...

Bester76 wrote...

Honest question, as I really don't know the answer to this - where's the value in NOT telling us how many copies of Leviathan they've sold?

no company would tell that

When something is doing very, very well, companies love to flaunt things like sales figures. By not doing so, past precedent would mark BioWare's current behavior as indication of poor sales. Likewise, BioWare has in the past touted the performance of DLC sales in DA2 only to later admit the DLC wasn't meeting expectations and canceled it. We can only ever draw on past events as evidence ever, but the past would indicate that Leviathan isn't up to snuff.

Ultimately, though, getting the sales numbers as a % of owners who actually paid to download the DLC for a few different ME2 add-ons and Leviathan could put this whole matter to rest. As was said previously, if LotSB sold 500,000 and Levi sold 500,030, it is technically the better selling.

[Dragoonlordz]

eddieoctane wrote...

When something is doing very, very well, companies love to flaunt things like sales figures. By not doing so, past precedent would mark BioWare's current behavior as indication of poor sales. Likewise, BioWare has in the past touted the performance of DLC sales in DA2 only to later admit the DLC wasn't meeting expectations and canceled it. We can only ever draw on past events as evidence ever, but the past would indicate that Leviathan isn't up to snuff.

Ultimately, though, getting the sales numbers as a % of owners who actually paid to download the DLC for a few different ME2 add-ons and Leviathan could put this whole matter to rest. As was said previously, if LotSB sold 500,000 and Levi sold 500,030, it is technically the better selling.

It would not make any difference, the same people who do not trust them here now would not trust those figures either.

[N7 Lisbeth]

I see no reason to doubt Chris; Leviathan probably is their highest selling DLC to date. I'll wager, right here and now, this does not hold true for Omega.

See, Leviathan was supposed to tie into the endings. I hate the endings as they stand, so I bought Leviathan thinking hey, I want to show them DLCs can make money and I do want to see if the changes impacted how I felt about the ending. It did not. I suspect there were others like me that hoped for something more than they got in that respect as well. (I saw more than a few posts saying just that shortly after Leviathan's release.)

Omega doesn't change the endings, doesn't tie into the endings in any way, and more people are further disillusioned how irrelevant DLCs with the endings as they stand can be. Its sales will be far lower and that trend will continue.

Of course, this is supposition on my part based on the reasons why I and everyone I know bought Leviathan, so it's a small sample size. We'll just have to watch and see.

Modifié par N7 Lisbeth, 29 septembre 2012 - 04:06 .

[KevShep]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Would you buy the DLC if your experence was bad to start with? If yes then why?

I know that most poeple are not made of money and would then spend there money on things that return the payment in enjoyment. Why buy that if its about what you hate in the first place? 

I did not like DA2 but I bought all the story DLC because I thought I might enjoy it more than the core game.

I did enjoy them more than the core game. They gradually got better and better as each one was released.

I guess you have money to spend.

Iam passionate enough that if a game dev gets lazy or betrays its fans then I will not buy anything from them again.

Thats why IAM still here as well as other ME3 haters.

You have no idea whether I have much money to spend or not. This is another assumption that should not use.

You will probably find a vast amount of people are willing to buy DLC based on whether or not they will enjoy that content vs whether or not fixes the issue they have with another part of the original game. The reality is none of the conspiracy theories from those who hate the ending or the game have any any proof that it did not sell well. Between their lack of evidence and the word of someone who has access to more information about this subject than themselves, out of the two most people who are not confined to bitterness will take the word of the person with the data over the person without.

the lack of evidence to the opposed is even less. As Ive said I have evidence and you dont....see my OP

You have evidence of why you do not trust them, you do not have evidence they are lying about sales of the leviathan DLC. The two things are not the same for the simple reason the DLC could of sold very well despite your lack of trust.

 then where is the evidence that points to it that it mite sell well?

The lack of trust is a big reason that most gamers have about there direction. This also means the DLC's.

[3DandBeyond]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Lt_Kitty wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...
*chuckle*

It has been our largest selling DLC to date, but I'm not going into specific numbers.

Nothing personal, but I'm inclined not to believe you.

Oh well, my $10 could have bought you a cold beer and a burger (maybe cupcakes?).  More for me I suppose

actually the way I see it it could go either way.

With the furor the game is still generating it wouldnt be that hard for me to believe.

Though selling more than LOTSB would be a feat.  But then again LOTSB did come out nearly 9 months later so...*shrug*

Good news either way though

I think the earlier point someone was trying to make is that PS3 owners didn't have to buy LOTSB, it was included with the game. 

[CronoDragoon]

3DandBeyond wrote...

I think the earlier point someone was trying to make is that PS3 owners didn't have to buy LOTSB, it was included with the game. 

The PS3 fanbase is also comparatively much smaller though, so even if Leviathan minus PS3 did not outsell LotSB minus PS3 it's impressive that it came close, I think.

Not that I think it deserves it, but that's more of a comment on how much I love LotsB. 

[AlanC9]

eddieoctane wrote...

If the figures for Leviathan aren't as great as Chris claims, DLC will be canceled, support will be dropped, and BioWare will be confirmed as dead.

Is the italed bit hyperbole?

[AlanC9]

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

I see no reason to doubt Chris; Leviathan probably is their highest selling DLC to date. I'll wager, right here and now, this does not hold true for Omega.

 Unless Omega was significantly more appealing than Leviathan, that would be the expected result. The active ME3 community is, of course, shrinking.

[Dragoonlordz]

KevShep wrote...

 then where is the evidence that points to it that it mite sell well?

The lack of trust is a big reason that most gamers have about there direction. This also means the DLC's.

I do not have your trust issues. My evidence is the word of someone who has more information on how well it sold vs your word (with your trust issues) that it did not.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 29 septembre 2012 - 04:31 .

[JPN17]

Lt_Kitty wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...
*chuckle*

It has been our largest selling DLC to date, but I'm not going into specific numbers.

Nothing personal, but I'm inclined not to believe you.

Oh well, my $10 could have bought you a cold beer and a burger (maybe cupcakes?).  More for me I suppose

I agree. LOTSB came out when ME popularity was at an all time high. The DLC was billed as a bridging DLC to ME3 (which it did quite effectively) and it also featured LIara who was a very popular character from ME. LOTSB also happened to be the best DLC that has been released in the Mass Effect series and got a ton of praise. Leviathan on the other hand came out after ME3 destroyed a huge chunk of the fanbase. If Leviathan is selling so well Chris, why won't you show us the numbers?

[KevShep]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

KevShep wrote...

 then where is the evidence that points to it that it mite sell well?

The lack of trust is a big reason that most gamers have about there direction. This also means the DLC's.

I do not have your trust issues. My evidence is the word of someone who has more information on how well it sold vs your word (with your trust issues) that it did not.

my evidence is with all the current events aimed at Bioware, you missed that part.

Modifié par KevShep, 29 septembre 2012 - 04:35 .

[drayfish]

Chris Priestly wrote...

*chuckle*

It has been our largest selling DLC to date, but I'm not going into specific numbers.

*smug snort*

This thread has devolved into the most intractable argument ever on the BSN, but I'm not willing to back that up with empirical evidence, thus rendering my statement meaningless.






Genuinely: those who don't think 'Leviathan' sold well do not have any evidence because Bioware will never release the details; people who think it sold wonderfully have absolutely no evidence either.  It is all - all of it - speculation and hearsay - and this goes particularly so for Priestly's comments. 

Some may wish to embrace them wholly; some may wish to dismiss them utterly.  Both are totally valid responses because no definitive facts have been provided either way.*  You are all intelligent, thoughtful people - don't fall down a rabbit hole of pontification and hostility based on the absolute lack of evidence that has been lobbed, unverified, into the room.

Also (and at the risk of sounding paranoid), how is it that this thread is neither campaign nor story related (and has even had a mod contribute to it), yet it remains open?  Threads questioning the sincerity of Bioware's seeking out audience input for the new ME4 get wiped from existence, yet tilting at the windmills of DLC sales spool on for pages?  I guess unsubstantiated positivity has a longer shelf-life now.


* Although I would add that the burden of proof ultimately lies with Bioware, and they've provided none. 

[Jamie9]

I hope this is true, because I would like to see about 2 more SP DLC after Omega.

[dreamgazer]

Not an exact science in the slightest, but you might be able to get a ballpark idea based on the number of user ratings on XBOX Marketplace:

Shadow Broker: ~5,900
Cerberus Network: ~6,000
Project Overlord: ~5,000
Stolen Memory: ~6,500
Arrival: ~2,000
EDIT: From Ashes: 11,200
Leviathan: ~8,000


Keep in mind that you can vote for DLC without purchasing it, but that goes for the other pieces of DLC, too.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 29 septembre 2012 - 05:17 .

[KevShep]

dreamgazer wrote...

Not an exact science in the slightest, but you might be able to get a ballpark idea based on the number of user ratings on XBOX Marketplace:

Shadow Broker: ~5,900
Cerberus Network: ~6,000
Project Overlord: ~5,000
Stolen Memory: ~6,500
Arrival: ~2,000
EDIT: From Ashes: 11,200
Leviathan: ~8,000


Keep in mind that you can vote for DLC without purchasing it, but that goes for the other pieces of DLC, too.

I gave it one star even though I did NOT buy it.

I saw it on youtube and that saved me $10 on story, everything else (like combat ) I can do in SP so there is no need to buy the DLC.

Modifié par KevShep, 29 septembre 2012 - 05:39 .

[CronoDragoon]

drayfish wrote...


Genuinely: those who don't think 'Leviathan' sold well do not have any evidence because Bioware will never release the details; people who think it sold wonderfully have absolutely no evidence either.  It is all - all of it - speculation and hearsay - and this goes particularly so for Priestly's comments. 
 

Too bad for your argument that Chris's comments are evidence, unless you believe he is speculating or utilizing hearsay.

[AlanC9]

KevShep wrote...

I saw it on youtube and that saved me $10 on story, everything else (like combat ) I can do in SP so there is no need to buy the DLC.

And this is different from any other DLC....how? Or do you just give all DLC one star?

[KevShep]

AlanC9 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

I saw it on youtube and that saved me $10 on story, everything else (like combat ) I can do in SP so there is no need to buy the DLC.

And this is different from any other DLC....how? Or do you just give all DLC one star?

its different because I cared about the story and immersion before ME3. I just cant get behind a kill all reapers button (very lazy by Bioware) and a catalyst with flawed logic that is contradicting itself in more ways then one yet it has the power to see its flawed but yet it cant.