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[Icinix]

Probably better than Feastday gifts and pranks.

[Tasker]

CronoDragoon wrote...

drayfish wrote...


Genuinely: those who don't think 'Leviathan' sold well do not have any evidence because Bioware will never release the details; people who think it sold wonderfully have absolutely no evidence either.  It is all - all of it - speculation and hearsay - and this goes particularly so for Priestly's comments. 
 

Too bad for your argument that Chris's comments are evidence, unless you believe he is speculating or utilizing hearsay.

Yeah, because BiowEAr have never lied to the fanbase in the past...  Oh, wait...

[Applepie_Svk]

Orkboy wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

drayfish wrote...


Genuinely: those who don't think 'Leviathan' sold well do not have any evidence because Bioware will never release the details; people who think it sold wonderfully have absolutely no evidence either.  It is all - all of it - speculation and hearsay - and this goes particularly so for Priestly's comments. 
 

Too bad for your argument that Chris's comments are evidence, unless you believe he is speculating or utilizing hearsay.

Yeah, because BiowEAr have never lied to the fanbase in the past...  Oh, wait...

I have a list... and it´s quite big 

[Katosu]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Orkboy wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

drayfish wrote...


Genuinely: those who don't think 'Leviathan' sold well do not have any evidence because Bioware will never release the details; people who think it sold wonderfully have absolutely no evidence either.  It is all - all of it - speculation and hearsay - and this goes particularly so for Priestly's comments. 
 

Too bad for your argument that Chris's comments are evidence, unless you believe he is speculating or utilizing hearsay.

Yeah, because BiowEAr have never lied to the fanbase in the past...  Oh, wait...

I have a list... and it´s quite big 

If it helps any, I didn't buy on principle. Just watched on Youtube instead. BioWare really lost a loyal customer in me. =/

[Wulfram]

Chris Priestly wrote...


It has been our largest selling DLC to date, but I'm not going into specific numbers.

Proves that Day 1 DLC isn't worth doing then, if a DLC coming out months later sells better.

[Obeded the 2nd]

Apparently 40% of me3 buyers also purchased from ashes or got it in the collectors edition thingy, so like a third of players bought leviathan isn't hard to believe.

[Comsky159]

My second favourite DLC after Overlord. Glad to hear it's been doing well; deservedly so.

[ElitePinecone]

Chris Priestly wrote...

It has been our largest selling DLC to date, but I'm not going into specific numbers.

Interesting - and promising for more SP DLC in the future, hopefully. 

[Reth Shepherd]

In a thread, you said that Levi sold better than any other DLC of Bioware's to date. Just to clarify, it sold better than From Ashes? And when it comes to From Ashes' sales, are you counting or not counting the ones that were bundled with the Collector's and the like?

I just sent him the preceding message asking for clarification. "Best selling to date" AFTER losing a significant chunk of the fanbase, and compared to a pre-'controversy' DLC that by reports many people bought or acquired bundled? I would seriously like to see some actual numbers or at least get some clarification on how they calculated those numbers. (Btw, if anyone has any ideas on how to get Jess Merizan to show those internal numbers she keeps saying contradicts the poll numbers, please message me! Or if you'd be willing to ask her on Twitter, as I don't have an account. Thanks!)

(For the record, Bioware HAS released sales numbers before, though not since the release of ME3! So it's not like it'd be unprecedented.)

[Siran]

Orkboy wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

drayfish wrote...


Genuinely: those who don't think 'Leviathan' sold well do not have any evidence because Bioware will never release the details; people who think it sold wonderfully have absolutely no evidence either.  It is all - all of it - speculation and hearsay - and this goes particularly so for Priestly's comments. 
 

Too bad for your argument that Chris's comments are evidence, unless you believe he is speculating or utilizing hearsay.

Yeah, because BiowEAr have never lied to the fanbase in the past...  Oh, wait...

Nice "Killer-Argument" you have there... Care to state facts? 

[GimmeDaGun]

Oh my, I can't believe that you're truly quarreling over this. Who gives a f. anyway? It's a great DLC, and as far as I could judge by the posts here on bsn (where hating on Bio. is the new trend), most of those who purchased it liked it a lot (even those who hate the ending of the game).
I personally loved it and to me it made the ME lore richer and more interesting. I don't know how well did it sell, but it seems that it sold well enough for Bio. to make more SP dlc-s, and that's what matters to me.

The rest is only an infantile speculation-war which goes down to the bones of these forums again: pro-enders vs. anti-enders. Blah...blah...blah...

Modifié par GimmeDaGun, 29 septembre 2012 - 12:48 .

[Reth Shepherd]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Oh my, I can't believe that you're truly quarreling over this. Who gives a f. anyway? It's a great DLC, and as far as I could judge by the posts here on bsn (where hating on Bio. is the new trend), most of those who purchased it liked it a lot (even those who hate the ending of the game).
I personally loved it and to me it made the ME lore richer and more interesting. I don't know how well did it sell, but it seems that it sold well enough for Bio. to make more SP dlc-s, and that's what matters to me.

The rest is only an infantile speculation-war which goes down to the bones of these forums again: pro-enders vs. anti-enders. Blah...blah...blah...

The Levi sales are rather like a politician's tax reports right now. They may be telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. BUT right now what they are saying contradicts what evidence we have on this side of things, and they are refusing to show us the paperwork. (Not a Romney jab, btw, merely aimed at politicians in general) If Bioware would SHOW us their numbers, the controversy would vanish.

EDIT: In addition, please remember that DA2 was doing just great in spite of it's controversy as well...up until the sales numbers were released, and suddenly it was not only NOT doing well, but selling so poorly that all further DLC production was canceled. So it's not like Bioware doesn't have a record of overoptimism.

Modifié par Reth Shepherd, 29 septembre 2012 - 12:57 .

[Siran]

Reth Shepherd wrote...

The Levi sales are rather like a politician's tax reports right now. They may be telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. BUT right now what they are saying contradicts what evidence we have on this side of things, and they are refusing to show us the paperwork. (Not a Romney jab, btw, merely aimed at politicians in general) If Bioware would SHOW us their numbers, the controversy would vanish.

What "evidence"? You don't have any, that's the point. The BSN is not the centre of the world, a mere fraction of people who play ME3 (and its DLCs) are even active here, so no "poll" or statement here can be used to even try to extrapolate any kind of numbers or trends.

[SpamBot2000]

Obeded the 2nd wrote...

Apparently 40% of me3 buyers also purchased from ashes or got it in the collectors edition thingy, so like a third of players bought leviathan isn't hard to believe.

Oh, it would be. The 40% that apparently purchased From Ashes at launch, either as a part of the Collector's Edition or independently, made EA CEO John Riccitiello quite giddy in his praises. It would be very surprising indeed for Leviathan to match those figures in the best of circumstances, as the game had been out for nearly 6 months when it came out, and many people simply move on from games inside that time frame. That coupled with the 'special' nature of ME3, with a big segment of those previously most invested in the series declining to buy it (including myself) makes this claim seem a bit dubious.

But hey, maybe EA ordered their employees to each buy 20 copies to show us who DA MAN. After all, ME3 is an up and coming release on the platform of The Future, Wii U. And one that Riccitiello has declared the greatest game available for that late arrival to this generation console gaming.

[Reth Shepherd]

Siran wrote...

Reth Shepherd wrote...

The Levi sales are rather like a politician's tax reports right now. They may be telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. BUT right now what they are saying contradicts what evidence we have on this side of things, and they are refusing to show us the paperwork. (Not a Romney jab, btw, merely aimed at politicians in general) If Bioware would SHOW us their numbers, the controversy would vanish.

What "evidence"? You don't have any, that's the point. The BSN is not the centre of the world, a mere fraction of people who play ME3 (and its DLCs) are even active here, so no "poll" or statement here can be used to even try to extrapolate any kind of numbers or trends.

For one, how about the FACT that returns were so high that both Amazon and Gamestop were forced to put special measures in place? High returns don't seem to go particularly well with record DLC sales. Anyway, I'm off to work, if Priestly replies to me personally I'll post the results here!

[Siran]

Reth Shepherd wrote...

Siran wrote...

Reth Shepherd wrote...

The Levi sales are rather like a politician's tax reports right now. They may be telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. BUT right now what they are saying contradicts what evidence we have on this side of things, and they are refusing to show us the paperwork. (Not a Romney jab, btw, merely aimed at politicians in general) If Bioware would SHOW us their numbers, the controversy would vanish.

What "evidence"? You don't have any, that's the point. The BSN is not the centre of the world, a mere fraction of people who play ME3 (and its DLCs) are even active here, so no "poll" or statement here can be used to even try to extrapolate any kind of numbers or trends.

For one, how about the FACT that returns were so high that both Amazon and Gamestop were forced to put special measures in place? High returns don't seem to go particularly well with record DLC sales. Anyway, I'm off to work, if Priestly replies to me personally I'll post the results here!

You seem to forget, that Mass Effect 3 made $200 Million in March alone. That's from an official EA  financial statement. You don't even know, how many people returned their games in the first place, so I don't know what this has to do with any ME3 DLC sales.

Modifié par Siran, 29 septembre 2012 - 01:10 .

[GimmeDaGun]

Reth Shepherd wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Oh my, I can't believe that you're truly quarreling over this. Who gives a f. anyway? It's a great DLC, and as far as I could judge by the posts here on bsn (where hating on Bio. is the new trend), most of those who purchased it liked it a lot (even those who hate the ending of the game).
I personally loved it and to me it made the ME lore richer and more interesting. I don't know how well did it sell, but it seems that it sold well enough for Bio. to make more SP dlc-s, and that's what matters to me.

The rest is only an infantile speculation-war which goes down to the bones of these forums again: pro-enders vs. anti-enders. Blah...blah...blah...

The Levi sales are rather like a politician's tax reports right now. They may be telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. BUT right now what they are saying contradicts what evidence we have on this side of things, and they are refusing to show us the paperwork. (Not a Romney jab, btw, merely aimed at politicians in general) If Bioware would SHOW us their numbers, the controversy would vanish.

EDIT: In addition, please remember that DA2 was doing just great in spite of it's controversy as well...up until the sales numbers were released, and suddenly it was not only NOT doing well, but selling so poorly that all further DLC production was canceled. So it's not like Bioware doesn't have a record of overoptimism.

Yeah, but unlike in real politics, here nothing really hangs on these statistics. I mean, it makes no sense to fight over something which changes nothing. If the dlc sells well (which is absolutely possible) it won't prove anything to those who hate the ending (some of them would call those who bought it bio.-fanboys or biosheep or whatever but that would be it), but if it does not sell that well (which is another possible scenario), it wouldn't prove anything either because it could have several other reasons other than the hate that a significant amount of people of the fanbase feel towards the ending, and bioware is already creating new dlc-s for the game: they've just announced that for another 6 months they are going to release dlc-s for ME3. It kind of indicates that they are indeed making money by releasing dlcs for this particular game.

Oh, and lets not forget about the amount of money they make by simple microtransactions with the MP gaming mode. Somewhere I saw last month's statistics about the top 10 most played online games released for the X-box. ME3 was like No.5 - 7. I can't post the link, because I didn't and still don't care enough to memorise or save such piece of info, I only know it by accident. This and the silly amount of money people tend to spend on stupid MP-packages (which can be purchased for free by playing the game) shows that there are quite a few who are still interested in the game and are willing to spend money on it. So I find it highly possible that the dlc has been doing quite well. But really why should we care? Lying about statistics from Bio.'s part wouldn't help them anyway. People who hate the game for it's conclusion or whatever reason they have had already made up their minds about purchasing dlc-s for ME3. 

What I see here is just another "ending thread" with a nice mimikri... or it has turned to be one.... yet again. Same old song, same old patterns. 

Modifié par GimmeDaGun, 29 septembre 2012 - 01:18 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

Reth Shepherd wrote...

EDIT: In addition, please remember that DA2 was doing just great in spite of it's controversy as well...up until the sales numbers were released, and suddenly it was not only NOT doing well, but selling so poorly that all further DLC production was canceled. So it's not like Bioware doesn't have a record of overoptimism.

Old Republic will not go free to play
About half a Year later: The Old Republic is going free to play.

GimmeDaGun wrote...
What I see here is just another "ending
thread" with a nice mimikri... or it has turned to be one.... yet again.
Same old song, same old patterns. 

We've been talking about the same things for the past 6 months, with the occasional DLC discussion. I'm not expecting that to change anytimes soon. The ME team wanted an ending that wasn't forgettable, they wanted anger too.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 29 septembre 2012 - 01:36 .

[NM_Che56]

Chris Priestly wrote...

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Seafood is always popular.

*chuckle*

It has been our largest selling DLC to date, but I'm not going into specific numbers.

unless anyone has facts to the contrary then there u have it.

[Binary_Helix 1]

The Old Republic was also suppose to be a WoW killer. Instead it turned out to be one of the biggest flops in gaming. It's not even a year old and it's 14 dollars at GameStop. A lot of Bioware games seems to go in the bargain bin pretty fast nowadays.

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 29 septembre 2012 - 02:47 .

[MegaSovereign]

It's really pathetic how far some of you are reaching. It's as if you're threatened by the very notion that the DLC is thriving. Seriously..

[LazyTechGuy]

Since Chris mentioned "largest selling", I assume he's not including the free DLC numbers from the Extended Cut or Multiplayer content.

[AnsinJung]

clennon8 wrote...

Assuming Mr. Priestly is being truthful (not always a safe assumption), it is disappointing that Leviathan is selling so well.

I will continue to hold the wallet.

That echoes my disappointment.  I have no desire to see mediocrity rewarded, even if the DLC is above average.  Obviously, the ending ruins the series for me.  If it was just some crappy ending that didn't turn the plot upside down (the Reapers), then it wouldn't reach backward and strangle the life out of everything else.  I found Deus Ex HR's endings to be rather blah, but I still put 140 hours into the game and plan on running through it occasionally in the future.  Additionally, I don't regret or hate the DLC, although I did wait until it was on sale.

Just because Mass Effect originally hit the ball out of the park with the fun characters and universe doesn't mean they can do whatever with it and expect to please fans indefinitely.  Ask yourselves if Mordin Solus was as good in Mass Effect 3 as in 2, including the quality of voice acting.  Then ask yourselves if Bioware really is doing their best anymore.

[Isichar]

MegaSovereign wrote...

It's really pathetic how far some of you are reaching. It's as if you're threatened by the very notion that the DLC is thriving. Seriously..

Obviously some people are just very spiteful, and wish to see Bioware hurt because of their choices around ME3. Personally I dont wish to see any harm come to the company nor do I wish anything bad against the people who work with Bioware... But I do view them as a completely different company then I did a couple years ago. Its like going from the old FF's to the new ones... sure it still has the FF name, but it may as well be called something else to those who remember the originals.