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[marshalleck]

You don't need to claim to speak for anyone but yourself.

[Emzamination]

^ Uncalled for Douche baggery

She is totally within her right to make a plea for respect for herself and anyone else that feels they're being treated less than human on this forum.Everyone deserves respect, even rude people like you.

Modifié par Emzamination, 29 septembre 2012 - 02:24 .

[Foolsfolly]

Avejajed wrote...

I know we're a hard lot to deal with- the BSN is full of people who argue, lament, **** and moan, complain, and insult your hard work.  But I just wanted to remind you guys that we're your fans. We're the most loyal, the most interested, and the most opinionated- but we're still fans. We wouldn't be here if we weren't. And sometimes I just don't think you like us very much, and that seems...awkward.

We may not seem like we do, but some of us do appreciate what you're doing- and what you're telling us, or not telling us, and maybe we seem a little crazy, and maybe we come off a little overzealous,  but that's because we're invested in what you do, and isn't that the point?

I've been reading Bioware according to Mom- which is a tumblr that everyone should read, by the way, and I know it's touched you guys- I know it makes you feel good about what you do every day.  I know we're not always like that. I know that we insult and complain and nag and generally do really stupid things- and sometimes have really stupid concerns and opinions. But really, at the end of the day, we're rooting for you. We've come to immerse ourselves in this world that you've created and we wouldn't be here otherwise.

Sometimes I think you guys come off really snarky and maybe kind of mean, and a lot of times you seem to me as though you just really, really dislike the BSN. And I get that it's hard to deal with us sometimes. But we're on your side, even if it doesn't seem like it. As many people as say they hate Bioware and hate the direction you've gone, they are all still here, still invested in what you do.

Your interaction is important to us. I don't like being treated with disdain. I'm not some lunatic fangirl or some hatemongering ball of negativity, and I think that would hold true with the rest of the board as well. We're your fans. We're loud, obnoxious, and probably hard to get along with, but we're still your fans and we're on your side.  Stop treating us like red-headed stepchildren, k? We're not some running twitter joke. We care the most.

I can agree with this.

...but some posters are asses and I laugh whenever I see a BioWare employee being snarky at them. Not that it changes the poster's ideas or complaining but it makes me smile.

[cJohnOne]

It's strange that the OP choose to speak for everyones on the BSN. Kind of hard to chew when you include everybody. Still a good opportunity to talk to the developers if you have anything to say.

Naturally I really enjoy when the developers post makes us feel like they're part of the community. Also they are usually of a higher quality of post then most of us and have better information.

Thank You developers. and thank the OP for being positive at any rate.

Modifié par cJohnOne, 29 septembre 2012 - 02:34 .

[brushyourteeth]

marshalleck wrote...

You don't need to claim to speak for anyone but yourself.

That's... what individual BSN identities are for, aren't they?


But actually, it just so happens that I've been feeling this way too.

Which is sad, because the emphasis was so strongly on making the new DAIII thread a much more positive place. 

Regardless, even if I disagreed, this post took courage and was written about as respectfully as anyone expressing this opinion could have hoped to without skirting around the issue. So I respect that.

I understand that what we write or suggest can at times be annoying to the writers and developers, but I feel that not all of us have earned the sarcasm given to us. Also, if I need to be put in my place, I'd personally rather it be done in a constructive, straightforward way. It's less amusing for other posters, I guess, but it will be a lot more helpful toward me understanding my error and how to not duplicate it in the future.

[Atalanta]

marshalleck wrote...

You don't need to claim to speak for anyone but yourself.

That may be the case, but you sure do claim to speak for BioWare a lot.

[Plaintiff]

What behaviour of the developers has caused you to feel disrespected?

[marshalleck]

Atalanta wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

You don't need to claim to speak for anyone but yourself.

That may be the case, but you sure do claim to speak for BioWare a lot.

How, precisely? I'm always pretty clear that my opinions are my own. And I never preface any statements with "we."

Modifié par marshalleck, 29 septembre 2012 - 02:56 .

[Atalanta]

marshalleck wrote...
 How, precisely? I'm always pretty clear that my opinions are my own. And I never preface any statements with "we."

This isn't the place for this convo ... if you want to discuss it you can PM me.

[marshalleck]

Right, didn't think so.

[Atalanta]

marshalleck wrote...

Right, didn't think so.

Sigh. Just go back and look at some of your previous comments, especially the ones that start with "BioWare will" or "BioWare won't." Unless your name is BioWare, I don't think you're speaking for yourself.

[Lithuasil]

I'm not sure if I should laugh or cry, but I'm fairly sure the OP's point (that all the BSN forumites deserve some respect) has been wholly disproven by now.

[Emzamination]

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

^^^ the Internet in all its glory.

Op has serious concerns about her forum environment.This isn't something to be made light of.

I recommend op send her concerns into the forum community manager -- chris priestly.He's really the only one that can address this and help effectively.

[cJohnOne]

Lithuasil wrote...

I'm not sure if I should laugh or cry, but I'm fairly sure the OP's point (that all the BSN forumites deserve some respect) has been wholly disproven by now.

Oh I missed the point.  Was that what the were your loyal fans part was suppose to mean?  I disagree people only deserve the repect that is normal not something special for being fans.

Modifié par cJohnOne, 29 septembre 2012 - 03:34 .

[Emzamination]

cJohnOne wrote...

Lithuasil wrote...

I'm not sure if I should laugh or cry, but I'm fairly sure the OP's point (that all the BSN forumites deserve some respect) has been wholly disproven by now.

Oh I missed the point.  Was that what the were your loyal fans part was suppose to mean?  I disagree people only deserve the repect that is normal not something special for being fans.

She isn't asking for any special respect but respect in general minus the condescension.I understand who and what she's talking about.

[Emzamination]

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

^^^ the Internet in all its glory.

Op has serious concerns about her forum environment.This isn't something to be made light of.

I recommend op send her concerns into the forum community manager -- chris priestly.He's really the only one that can address this and help effectively.

I was more so aiming that sentiment at those who replied who took what she said and flat out judged her in a very silly way. 

I see. my apologies.

Modifié par Emzamination, 29 septembre 2012 - 03:44 .

[Icinix]

The dynamic of these forums has definitely changed since the old forums and the early days.

At least there is a lot of staff still engaging - diminished and in a different light, but they're still there.

[Ophir147]

marshalleck wrote...

You don't need to claim to speak for anyone but yourself.

Yeah! Most of us hate Bioware. Like, really hate them. Why else would be be here?


Seriously, screw those guys.


Not kidding.

[ThatoneWarden99]

Still there, that is true, but for how long?

OP has a point, we do come across as an unruly crowd. There's only so much whining and demanding someone can take before they decide they don't give a damn anymore.

As it stands, this has been happening for too long.