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[deuce985]

Avejajed wrote...

Man he really looks like Jeremy Renner in that second gif. Took me a second to realize it was Supernatural. (It is supernatural, right?)

I always find Alan S. to be extremely respectful and tolerant, and Tonia as well. Alan especially I feels takes the time to understand where we're coming from and I've never seen him embrace the douchebaggery.

Yup, it's Dean(Jensen Ackles) from Supernatural.

Alan is definitely respectful. He even shares his personal perspective on things just like us. I've noticed Mike doesn't post on the forums as much anymore. He use to do it a lot, especially in DA2's development. Maybe he likes Twitter more, I don't know. I still don't see how somebody can embrace that social media as something to have educated discussions about anything. Especially with the annoying 150 character limit...jeez.

It's like you post one thought in your head and people often don't interpret it right due to the limited characters...

Modifié par deuce985, 29 septembre 2012 - 04:51 .

[addiction21]

deuce985 wrote...

I agree with OP. Although, I don't think Bioware comes off as snarky. The only dev that really does that is David but I don't think he intends it to be overly snarky towards us. He's just being like the other forum goers. If he didn't want to be here, he wouldn't post. It's hard to detect sarcasm on the internet but I believe Mr. Gaider does it a lot.

Gaider has little tact. He gives it just like how he takes it and lets all not forget he came from humble beginnings.  Restaruant worker and hotels before he was picked up over a decade ago and has written some of the most unforgettable characters.

I do not fault him for putting it out there like so many other posters do. The difference is he does not resort to this passive aggresive "oh woe is me" victimisation complex so many around here ascrib to.

Play the arm chair writer, developer, CEO etc etc etc... When one of those professionals that have lived the life tell you otherwise that you ignorant clamouring is wrong.

Suck it up. Deal with it.

[Emzamination]

I can completely understand the Devs no care attitude when you have users posting trash like this all year.

[Lithuasil]

deuce985 wrote...


Seriously. Why hang around a fan forum if you're not a "fan" or "don't care" or have "no hope things will ever change".

Jeez.

There's a whole lot of motives that one could assume these people to be guilty of, but I'm fairly sure explicitly spelling these motives out would be in violation of the code of conduct and the honorable intentions of this thread.

[Icinix]

PurebredCorn wrote...

Avejajed wrote...

As for specific examples where I have felt that the snark has gone from snark to mean- absolutely. For instance, in the dead mother thread- the OP asked very nicely if Bioware could possibly quit killing off the protaganist's parents. There were a lot of reasons why the OP gave this suggestion- and one of those reasons was that her own mother died when she was a teenager- and watching Hawke's mother die in her arms was a painful experience to play through. And not just imaginary painful, actually painful. So that request came from a personal place, and was suggested with grace, eloquence, and respect. To that, David Gaider said...and I quote.

"Ah, okay. Got it.

Written in notebook: "Next time kill two mothers instead of one. No point getting stale.""

Wow, that's a new low even for him.

I think its mostly just his humour ... it seems quite black. He does come across quite bitter sometimes, but I don't think its meant to be...at least not ALL of the time.

Modifié par Icinix, 29 septembre 2012 - 04:51 .

[ThatoneWarden99]

Icinix wrote...

ThatoneWarden99 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

ThatoneWarden99 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Indeed.

It has a flow on affect too - even something like Endless Space forums was filled with a lot of negativity because of past experiences with other unrelated developers. Its almost become expected for companies to do the wrong thing by the consumer then package is up as "providing the best experience for the user."

Whether or not we like to acknowledge it, there is always something that will not do justice to the consumers. Maybe not the majority, but some.

Due to that, it will always boil down to "providing the best experience for the user." They can only hope that they can appeal to what matters the most.

Yeah, but forcing an always on DRM for players and calling that "proving the best experience" massively shatters your credibility as a developer. (I'm only using that as an example - not as the be all and end all either.)

I don't believe people wake up one morning and decide to be angry on mass like they seem to be these days, I think its more of a reaction to the way gaming companies have been treating gamers. It takes years to build a good reputation - only a few bad calls to ruin it.

It's true, the general sentiment could be seen as a reaction. After all, before the ME3 and DA2 fiascos, the community seemed to be a much more happier place. Even after all the years that Bioware pass along, solidifying their reputation.

I feel that this mood could also affect the developer, and cause them to have troubles. In fact, I read an article on IGN that provided information that, the two good docters of Bioware may have left due to the feedback they recieved from the fans. After all, it is majorly demoralizing to see your own game be petitioned by the consumers.

That is why I feel relieved that the OP made a thread like this, a reminder that some still believe they can achieve good things. Sure, it might take a few years before things go back to normal, but now is as good as any moment to start.

Agreed totally. I hate those '..then why are you still here?' comments if I'm saying I didn't like some aspect of BioWare.

I'm here because I enjoy the forums, I enjoy BioWares games - even if I didn't think they were as good as they could be - I played them through to completition at least once and I still follow their other games with interest. But I'm not going to just up and leave if I don't like the way one thing is going, and I'm not going to suck it all up with a smile if I don't think its good.

You can still be a fan and have high hopes for something while bringing up criticisms at the same time. There will always be bad eggs, but they don't need to be the end of everything. Thats why you have bans, not to punish the poster, but make it better for the people still here.

Ah, the ban hammer can truly be good sometimes.

Likewise, I also enjoy the forums and the games. Sure, there might have been one or two things that I would have preferred be done differently, but i still enjoy them.

Sadly, it will be a while before the whole of the community can think the same of what they see.

[marshalleck]

addiction21 wrote...

Play the arm chair writer, developer, CEO etc etc etc... When one of those professionals that have lived the life tell you otherwise that you ignorant clamouring is wrong.

Suck it up. Deal with it.

Oh this again. You don't need to be a master chef to recognize the soup tastes bad.

[deuce985]

Always somebody who comes in the sandbox and ruins the fun for everyone...

Reminds me of that one time where I was playing with this girl in a sandbox and some kid out of nowhere came and slapped me in the head with a stuffed animal. Problem with that animal was it had two marble eyes that were hard as a rock and it made me cry. And I was having fun. I never understood why that kid beat me up in the sandbox to this day...

Modifié par deuce985, 29 septembre 2012 - 04:57 .

[ThatoneWarden99]

Icinix wrote...

PurebredCorn wrote...

Avejajed wrote...

As for specific examples where I have felt that the snark has gone from snark to mean- absolutely. For instance, in the dead mother thread- the OP asked very nicely if Bioware could possibly quit killing off the protaganist's parents. There were a lot of reasons why the OP gave this suggestion- and one of those reasons was that her own mother died when she was a teenager- and watching Hawke's mother die in her arms was a painful experience to play through. And not just imaginary painful, actually painful. So that request came from a personal place, and was suggested with grace, eloquence, and respect. To that, David Gaider said...and I quote.

"Ah, okay. Got it.

Written in notebook: "Next time kill two mothers instead of one. No point getting stale.""

Wow, that's a new low even for him.

I think its mostly just his humour ... it seems quite black. He does come across quite bitter sometimes, but I don't think its meant to be...at least not ALL of the time.

A brutal turn of the knife, so to speak.

Sometimes, I really have trouble understanding Mr. Gaider. It's not like we can exactly see or hear his tone or facial expression.

*Sighs deeply, before looking away from the screen, as if contemplating something. Finally turns back and presses submit*
Like so...

[Lithuasil]

marshalleck wrote...
Oh this again. You don't need to be a master chef to recognize the soup tastes bad.

While the above statement on it's own is highly debateable, the general, and unfortunately all too common strategy being adressed here is more akin to complaining the salad tastes bad, while you're halfway through chewing up the tablecloth.

[ThatoneWarden99]

Emzamination wrote...

I can completely understand the Devs no care attitude when you have users posting trash like this all year.

My faith in humanity, I can slowly feel it ebbing away.

It is too late for me...

[Icinix]

ThatoneWarden99 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

PurebredCorn wrote...

Avejajed wrote...

As for specific examples where I have felt that the snark has gone from snark to mean- absolutely. For instance, in the dead mother thread- the OP asked very nicely if Bioware could possibly quit killing off the protaganist's parents. There were a lot of reasons why the OP gave this suggestion- and one of those reasons was that her own mother died when she was a teenager- and watching Hawke's mother die in her arms was a painful experience to play through. And not just imaginary painful, actually painful. So that request came from a personal place, and was suggested with grace, eloquence, and respect. To that, David Gaider said...and I quote.

"Ah, okay. Got it.

Written in notebook: "Next time kill two mothers instead of one. No point getting stale.""

Wow, that's a new low even for him.

I think its mostly just his humour ... it seems quite black. He does come across quite bitter sometimes, but I don't think its meant to be...at least not ALL of the time.

A brutal turn of the knife, so to speak.

Sometimes, I really have trouble understanding Mr. Gaider. It's not like we can exactly see or hear his tone or facial expression.

*Sighs deeply, before looking away from the screen, as if contemplating something. Finally turns back and presses submit*
Like so...

Haha! Thats the other issue with the forums - I'll often find myself in a pyrmaid quote argument - but we're arguing for the same thing.

Its just too easy to misunderstand what someone is saying from text alone.

Modifié par Icinix, 29 septembre 2012 - 05:01 .

[marshalleck]

ThatoneWarden99 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

I can completely understand the Devs no care attitude when you have users posting trash like this all year.

My faith in humanity, I can slowly feel it ebbing away.

It is too late for me...

Cut down in the prime of life. That thread had potential.

[ThatoneWarden99]

Icinix wrote...

ThatoneWarden99 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

PurebredCorn wrote...

Avejajed wrote...

As for specific examples where I have felt that the snark has gone from snark to mean- absolutely. For instance, in the dead mother thread- the OP asked very nicely if Bioware could possibly quit killing off the protaganist's parents. There were a lot of reasons why the OP gave this suggestion- and one of those reasons was that her own mother died when she was a teenager- and watching Hawke's mother die in her arms was a painful experience to play through. And not just imaginary painful, actually painful. So that request came from a personal place, and was suggested with grace, eloquence, and respect. To that, David Gaider said...and I quote.

"Ah, okay. Got it.

Written in notebook: "Next time kill two mothers instead of one. No point getting stale.""

Wow, that's a new low even for him.

I think its mostly just his humour ... it seems quite black. He does come across quite bitter sometimes, but I don't think its meant to be...at least not ALL of the time.

A brutal turn of the knife, so to speak.

Sometimes, I really have trouble understanding Mr. Gaider. It's not like we can exactly see or hear his tone or facial expression.

*Sighs deeply, before looking away from the screen, as if contemplating something. Finally turns back and presses submit*
Like so...

Haha! Thats the other issue with the forums - I'll often find myself in a pyrmaid quote argument - but we're arguing for the same thing.

Its just too easy to misunderstand what someone is saying from text alone.

For some reason, it reminds me of "lets eat grandma" and "let eat, grandma"

Slightly disturbing, but I think it proves the point.

It is easy to misunderstand if you don't read into it, if only slightly

[ThatoneWarden99]

marshalleck wrote...

ThatoneWarden99 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

I can completely understand the Devs no care attitude when you have users posting trash like this all year.

My faith in humanity, I can slowly feel it ebbing away.

It is too late for me...

Cut down in the prime of life. That thread had potential.

Alas, we shall never know what would have happened to this poor thread.

Sad, too sad 

Modifié par ThatoneWarden99, 29 septembre 2012 - 05:06 .

[Atalanta]

Avejajed wrote...
As for specific examples where I have felt that the snark has gone from snark to mean- absolutely. For instance, in the dead mother thread- the OP asked very nicely if Bioware could possibly quit killing off the protaganist's parents. There were a lot of reasons why the OP gave this suggestion- and one of those reasons was that her own mother died when she was a teenager- and watching Hawke's mother die in her arms was a painful experience to play through. And not just imaginary painful, actually painful. So that request came from a personal place, and was suggested with grace, eloquence, and respect. To that, David Gaider said...and I quote.

"Ah, okay. Got it.

Written in notebook: "Next time kill two mothers instead of one. No point getting stale."

Ouch. I am a fan of The Gaider, but I see your point.

[Palipride47]

Atalanta wrote...

Avejajed wrote...
As for specific examples where I have felt that the snark has gone from snark to mean- absolutely. For instance, in the dead mother thread- the OP asked very nicely if Bioware could possibly quit killing off the protaganist's parents. There were a lot of reasons why the OP gave this suggestion- and one of those reasons was that her own mother died when she was a teenager- and watching Hawke's mother die in her arms was a painful experience to play through. And not just imaginary painful, actually painful. So that request came from a personal place, and was suggested with grace, eloquence, and respect. To that, David Gaider said...and I quote.

"Ah, okay. Got it.

Written in notebook: "Next time kill two mothers instead of one. No point getting stale."

Ouch. I am a fan of The Gaider, but I see your point.

Yeah, I was commenting in that thread, and OP for dead mom thread made that point. I missed it, saw Avejajed's comment, then promptly felt like an ass. I didn't remember if I offended, I was noticing a trope, and commenting on it (I though that was OPs point, it was overused). Maybe...hopefully(?)....Gaider missed that too, like I did. Otherwise, ick, and he needs a big smack of a humility bat. I'll take one too. 

Modifié par Palipride47, 29 septembre 2012 - 05:17 .

[FINE HERE]

marshalleck wrote...

ThatoneWarden99 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

I can completely understand the Devs no care attitude when you have users posting trash like this all year.

My faith in humanity, I can slowly feel it ebbing away.

It is too late for me...

Cut down in the prime of life. That thread had potential.

You're someone that likes to watch the world burn, aren't you, Marshalleck?

[marshalleck]

FINE HERE wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

ThatoneWarden99 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

I can completely understand the Devs no care attitude when you have users posting trash like this all year.

My faith in humanity, I can slowly feel it ebbing away.

It is too late for me...

Cut down in the prime of life. That thread had potential.

You're someone that likes to watch the world burn, aren't you, Marshalleck?

I've got my 'smores ready.

[Icinix]

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...
Actually, that was incredibly honest. 

It was - and I think there would be more people on these forums who have got more out of gaming than just entertainment than would probably admit it.

Modifié par Icinix, 29 septembre 2012 - 05:20 .

[deuce985]