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[Vexille]

     Am I the only one tired of getting so many "Conveniently" Bi characters in bioware games? I have nothing against people who are Bi I just feel its a copout by bioware. I LIKED in ME3 how they actually wrote gay characters who seemed like real people and not walking stereotypes (looking at you DA2). I'm also fine with Bi characters when it makes sense and its written into their characters (I was fine with Zevran and Isabella for instance).

But I feel Bioware goes overboard and just starts making characters Bi... for the sake of being BI and adding nothing to their characters. Biggest offenders for me were characters who had appeared previously and are suddenly Bi, Kaidan and Anders come to mind here... some hints at it in the 1st game they appeared in would have been nice. Merril and Fenris struck me as poorly done "BIs" as they never seem to make mention of the fact that they are BI... hell I think "PCsexual" fits better since they wanna bang the PC regardless of gender, which to me is poor writing. I mean really, the PC just HAPPENS to put together a team thats like 50% switch hitters?


maybe I'm way off here but, I think the characters come out better when they are written as Gay/straight/BI from the get go. Some LI's being unavalible to certain genders is GOOD. One of my faorite moments in ME3 was getting shot down by the gay indian chick as manshep! Less Bi characters and NO PCsexual characters bioware!

[Xilizhra]

Your opinion has been noted. It won't help.

[Emzamination]

Reported

[Vexille]

Emzamination wrote...

Reported

for what exactly?

[Plaintiff]

In Thedas, everyone is bisexual. Because magic.

[Icinix]

Non Player Characters whose sexuality is determined by if the player hits on them or not irks me.

I prefer my non player characters set as a character and not changeable because the player chooses a heart icon.

[Overlord_Mephist]

Vexille wrote...

     Am I the only one tired of getting so many "Conveniently" Bi characters in bioware games? I have nothing against people who are Bi I just feel its a copout by bioware. I LIKED in ME3 how they actually wrote gay characters who seemed like real people and not walking stereotypes (looking at you DA2). I'm also fine with Bi characters when it makes sense and its written into their characters (I was fine with Zevran and Isabella for instance).

But it sounds like you do want walking stereotypes when it comes to sexuality....

[Lithuasil]

Vexille wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Reported

for what exactly?

Bringing up a topic that has been "discussed" in these parts slightly more times then Thedas has citizens, and most definitely has not gained any more merit since the last time it popped up, which feels like it was about three seconds ago.

[Emzamination]

Vexille wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Reported

for what exactly?

This type of thread is going to go nowhere productive.It never has and it never will.

[Palipride47]

I'm going to wade (toes first) in the waters here (with my sig) and explain why I support such a thing.

When you say "Fenris and Merrill were poorly done bis," it makes me think that you may see "bi" as a personality trait, something you flaunt, like Zevran and Isabella. 

Bisexual is not a personality trait or a caricature. It is equivalent to being straight. You do not "flaunt" straight. Was Alistair a "straight" stereotype? No, he was just a guy. Who had a particular orientation. Bisexuals don't "need to add anything," just like straight people don't. 

Maybe I can do word replacement, and show you where my view comes in...

Vexille wrote...

     Am I the only one tired of getting so many "Conveniently" ***STRAIGHT*** characters in bioware games? I have nothing against people who are ***STRAIGHT*** I just feel its a copout by bioware. I LIKED in ME3 how they actually wrote ***STRAIGHT*** characters who seemed like real people and not walking stereotypes (looking at you DA2). I'm also fine with ***STRAIGHT*** characters when it makes sense and its written into their characters (I was fine with Zevran and Isabella for instance).

But I feel Bioware goes overboard and just starts making characters ***STRAIGHT***.. for the sake of being ***STRAIGHT***and adding nothing to their characters. Biggest offenders for me were characters who had appeared previously and are suddenly ***STRAIGHT***, Kaidan and Anders come to mind here... some hints at it in the 1st game they appeared in would have been nice. Merril and Fenris struck me as poorly done "***STRAIGHT***" as they never seem to make mention of the fact that they are ***STRAIGHT***.. hell I think "PCsexual" fits better since they wanna bang the PC regardless of gender, which to me is poor writing. I mean really, the PC just HAPPENS to put together a team thats like 50% switch hitters?


maybe I'm way off here but, I think the characters come out better when they are written as Gay/straight/BI from the get go. Some LI's being unavalible to certain genders is GOOD. One of my faorite moments in ME3 was getting shot down by the gay indian chick as manshep! Less ***STRAIGHT*** characters and NO PCsexual characters bioware!

Get it?

Modifié par Palipride47, 29 septembre 2012 - 04:23 .

[deuce985]

I sorta get what you're talking about.

I do agree, every character shouldn't be identified as being bi. That just seems completely unrealistic...

[Most Definitely Sane]

From what I can tell, it's either "Everyone's bi!" or "Let's make everyone but two men and a woman straight!"

Frankly, I prefer "everyone's bi."

[Vexille]

Overlord_Mephist wrote...

Vexille wrote...

     Am I the only one tired of getting so many "Conveniently" Bi characters in bioware games? I have nothing against people who are Bi I just feel its a copout by bioware. I LIKED in ME3 how they actually wrote gay characters who seemed like real people and not walking stereotypes (looking at you DA2). I'm also fine with Bi characters when it makes sense and its written into their characters (I was fine with Zevran and Isabella for instance).

But it sounds like you do want walking stereotypes when it comes to sexuality....

? I liked them because they at different points would make clear or drop hints at their orientation. I DID NOT like How certain characters sexualities seemed to be determined by player interaction.

[AlienWolf728]

inb4lock... also she wasn't Indian, she was British/English(?).

[Icinix]

AlienWolf728 wrote...

inb4lock... also she wasn't Indian, she was British/English(?).

I thought she was from London but was of Indian descent?

[Vexille]

Palipride47 wrote...

I'm going to wade (toes first) in the waters here (with my sig) and explain why I support such a thing.

When you say "Fenris and Merrill were poorly done bis," it makes me think that you may see "bi" as a personality trait, something you flaunt, like Zevran and Isabella. 

Bisexual i[/u][/b]s not a personality trait or a caricature[u]. It is equivalent to being straight. You do not "flaunt" straight. Was Alistair a "straight" stereotype? No, he was just a guy. Who had a particular orientation. Bisexuals don't "need to add anything," just like straight people don't. 

Maybe I can do word replacement, and show you where my view comes in...

Vexille wrote...

     Am I the only one tired of getting so many "Conveniently" ***STRAIGHT*** characters in bioware games? I have nothing against people who are ***STRAIGHT*** I just feel its a copout by bioware. I LIKED in ME3 how they actually wrote ***STRAIGHT*** characters who seemed like real people and not walking stereotypes (looking at you DA2). I'm also fine with ***STRAIGHT*** characters when it makes sense and its written into their characters (I was fine with Zevran and Isabella for instance).

But I feel Bioware goes overboard and just starts making characters ***STRAIGHT***.. for the sake of being ***STRAIGHT***and adding nothing to their characters. Biggest offenders for me were characters who had appeared previously and are suddenly ***STRAIGHT***, Kaidan and Anders come to mind here... some hints at it in the 1st game they appeared in would have been nice. Merril and Fenris struck me as poorly done "***STRAIGHT***" as they never seem to make mention of the fact that they are ***STRAIGHT***.. hell I think "PCsexual" fits better since they wanna bang the PC regardless of gender, which to me is poor writing. I mean really, the PC just HAPPENS to put together a team thats like 50% switch hitters?


maybe I'm way off here but, I think the characters come out better when they are written as Gay/straight/BI from the get go. Some LI's being unavalible to certain genders is GOOD. One of my faorite moments in ME3 was getting shot down by the gay indian chick as manshep! Less [b]***STRAIGHT*** characters and NO PCsexual characters bioware!

Get it?

Maybe I didnt make my point as clear as I would have liked. If you Had only romanced Merril as a male Hawk, would you have any idea Merril was BI by her interactions in the game?

I feel a character should be written as gay/straight/Bi... Merril and Fenris seemed to be to just be assigned a sexual orientation based on the PC... I didnt like that

Modifié par Vexille, 29 septembre 2012 - 04:30 .

[AlienWolf728]

Icinix wrote...

AlienWolf728 wrote...

inb4lock... also she wasn't Indian, she was British/English(?).

I thought she was from London but was of Indian descent?

^ Most likely knows more than I do, I haven't played ME3 in months. 

Modifié par AlienWolf728, 29 septembre 2012 - 04:27 .

[Icinix]

AlienWolf728 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

AlienWolf728 wrote...

inb4lock... also she wasn't Indian, she was British/English(?).

I thought she was from London but was of Indian descent?

^ Most likely knows more than I do, I haven't played ME3 in months. 

Haha! Me neither actually! I have no idea...

[Quicksilver26]

Anders came off vary gayish to me in da:a with his gold earring and Ser Pounce-a-lot. i kinda don't see how every one seem to think he was so striate

[Palipride47]

Vexille wrote...

Palipride47 wrote...

I'm going to wade (toes first) in the waters here (with my sig) and explain why I support such a thing.

When you say "Fenris and Merrill were poorly done bis," it makes me think that you may see "bi" as a personality trait, something you flaunt, like Zevran and Isabella. 

Bisexual i[/u][/b]s not a personality trait or a caricature[u]. It is equivalent to being straight. You do not "flaunt" straight. Was Alistair a "straight" stereotype? No, he was just a guy. Who had a particular orientation. Bisexuals don't "need to add anything," just like straight people don't. 

Maybe I can do word replacement, and show you where my view comes in...

Vexille wrote...

     Am I the only one tired of getting so many "Conveniently" ***STRAIGHT*** characters in bioware games? I have nothing against people who are ***STRAIGHT*** I just feel its a copout by bioware. I LIKED in ME3 how they actually wrote ***STRAIGHT*** characters who seemed like real people and not walking stereotypes (looking at you DA2). I'm also fine with ***STRAIGHT*** characters when it makes sense and its written into their characters (I was fine with Zevran and Isabella for instance).

But I feel Bioware goes overboard and just starts making characters ***STRAIGHT***.. for the sake of being ***STRAIGHT***and adding nothing to their characters. Biggest offenders for me were characters who had appeared previously and are suddenly ***STRAIGHT***, Kaidan and Anders come to mind here... some hints at it in the 1st game they appeared in would have been nice. Merril and Fenris struck me as poorly done "***STRAIGHT***" as they never seem to make mention of the fact that they are ***STRAIGHT***.. hell I think "PCsexual" fits better since they wanna bang the PC regardless of gender, which to me is poor writing. I mean really, the PC just HAPPENS to put together a team thats like 50% switch hitters?


maybe I'm way off here but, I think the characters come out better when they are written as Gay/straight/BI from the get go. Some LI's being unavalible to certain genders is GOOD. One of my faorite moments in ME3 was getting shot down by the gay indian chick as manshep! Less [b]***STRAIGHT*** characters and NO PCsexual characters bioware!

Get it?

Maybe I didnt make my point as clear as I would have liked. If you Had only romanced Merril as a male Hawk, would you have any idea Merril was BI by her interactions in the game?

No. And I'm fine with that. It was

A. how a bisexual person (or at least, me, as a bisexual person) interacts with society. I'm not going to say "oh yeah, I'm bi, btw" if I'm interested in a guy. I'm interested in the guy, that info doesn't matter. 

B. there waas horrible fallout when Anders was shown to hit on you regardless of gender. Men who wanted to play heteros DID NOT LIKE THAT. 

[deuce985]

Quicksilver26 wrote...

Anders came off vary gayish to me in da:a with his gold earring and Ser Pounce-a-lot. i kinda don't see how every one seem to think he was so striate

<_<

How did his cat signify he was "gayish"?

Modifié par deuce985, 29 septembre 2012 - 04:31 .

[Palipride47]

Quicksilver26 wrote...

Anders came off vary gayish to me in da:a with his gold earring and Ser Pounce-a-lot. i kinda don't see how every one seem to think he was so striate

Haha, *flamer stereotype* gaydar went off a bit with that one. 

His lines in in DAO about the "quick trysts", and DA2 about his time at the brothels and  the Fereldan Circle, where "everyone was kissing everyone" just confirmed it. 

Also, lucky Amell Warden getting thrown in Fereldan Circle, why the hell couldn't I kiss everyone?! Kirkwall Circle just sounded dryer than a Bob Jones University mixer. 

Modifié par Palipride47, 29 septembre 2012 - 04:35 .

[Quicksilver26]

oh and Sexuality is fluid, whether you're gay or you're straight or you're bisexual, you just go with the flow.

[Vexille]

Palipride47 wrote...

Vexille wrote...

Palipride47 wrote...

I'm going to wade (toes first) in the waters here (with my sig) and explain why I support such a thing.

When you say "Fenris and Merrill were poorly done bis," it makes me think that you may see "bi" as a personality trait, something you flaunt, like Zevran and Isabella. 

Bisexual i[/u][/b]s not a personality trait or a caricature[u]. It is equivalent to being straight. You do not "flaunt" straight. Was Alistair a "straight" stereotype? No, he was just a guy. Who had a particular orientation. Bisexuals don't "need to add anything," just like straight people don't. 

Maybe I can do word replacement, and show you where my view comes in...

Vexille wrote...

     Am I the only one tired of getting so many "Conveniently" ***STRAIGHT*** characters in bioware games? I have nothing against people who are ***STRAIGHT*** I just feel its a copout by bioware. I LIKED in ME3 how they actually wrote ***STRAIGHT*** characters who seemed like real people and not walking stereotypes (looking at you DA2). I'm also fine with ***STRAIGHT*** characters when it makes sense and its written into their characters (I was fine with Zevran and Isabella for instance).

But I feel Bioware goes overboard and just starts making characters ***STRAIGHT***.. for the sake of being ***STRAIGHT***and adding nothing to their characters. Biggest offenders for me were characters who had appeared previously and are suddenly ***STRAIGHT***, Kaidan and Anders come to mind here... some hints at it in the 1st game they appeared in would have been nice. Merril and Fenris struck me as poorly done "***STRAIGHT***" as they never seem to make mention of the fact that they are ***STRAIGHT***.. hell I think "PCsexual" fits better since they wanna bang the PC regardless of gender, which to me is poor writing. I mean really, the PC just HAPPENS to put together a team thats like 50% switch hitters?


maybe I'm way off here but, I think the characters come out better when they are written as Gay/straight/BI from the get go. Some LI's being unavalible to certain genders is GOOD. One of my faorite moments in ME3 was getting shot down by the gay indian chick as manshep! Less [b]***STRAIGHT*** characters and NO PCsexual characters bioware!

Get it?

Maybe I didnt make my point as clear as I would have liked. If you Had only romanced Merril as a male Hawk, would you have any idea Merril was BI by her interactions in the game?

No. And I'm fine with that. It was

A. how a bisexual person (or at least, me, as a bisexual person) interacts with society. I'm not going to say "oh yeah, I'm bi, btw" if I'm interested in a guy. I'm interested in the guy, that info doesn't matter. 

B. there waas horrible fallout when Anders was shown to hit on you regardless of gender. Men who wanted to play heteros DID NOT LIKE THAT. 

I hope I didnt offend (as that was not my intention) I just felt it was lazy writing (maybe I'm way off and its more realistic, as you said) But in your example of Alistar and his straightness, I swear I remember several instances of banter/conversation that gave the impression he was straight regardless of your PC's gender.

[Icinix]

Quicksilver26 wrote...

Anders came off vary gayish to me in da:a with his gold earring and Ser Pounce-a-lot. i kinda don't see how every one seem to think he was so striate

His character as a whole did appear to get totally butchered and put back together different between Awakening and DA2.

Also - I don't think a gold earings and a love of cats implies anything really.