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[Maxster_]

MacNasty wrote...

Didn't EDI say something about the IFF that it wouldn't work completely? And about the heat emissions, how could they protect them from a Reaper if even the Collector ship could stop the SR-1.

They can only cover normandy at a long range. Not in range of radar, ladar or visual.

[MacNasty]

Maxster_ wrote...

MacNasty wrote...

Didn't EDI say something about the IFF that it wouldn't work completely? And about the heat emissions, how could they protect them from a Reaper if even the Collector ship could stop the SR-1.

They can only cover normandy at a long range. Not in range of radar, ladar or visual.

Then how could that possibly work for the final scene?

[Maxster_]

MacNasty wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

MacNasty wrote...

Didn't EDI say something about the IFF that it wouldn't work completely? And about the heat emissions, how could they protect them from a Reaper if even the Collector ship could stop the SR-1.

They can only cover normandy at a long range. Not in range of radar, ladar or visual.

Then how could that possibly work for the final scene?

You meant "Harbringer stare"? In no way.

[Netsfn1427]

Harbinger didn't shoot the Normandy because there were higher priority targets on the field. Hundreds of soldiers and tanks were on the field, charging the beam. Harbinger was the only Reaper present. In theory, if even a small handful make it through, that could pose a problem.

The Normandy was irrelevant. It wasn't going to go into the beam because it would have been destroyed when it crashed on the Citadel. It doesn't have the firepower to challenge Harbinger. Harbinger could shoot it because "It's the NORMANDY!", or it could focus on the troops that actually posed a threat.

You can say that if you were Harbinger would have blown up the Normandy anyway. But that doesn't mean its sound logic to target an completely irrelevant target on the battlefield when other high priority targets remain. It's not a plothole.

[Maxster_]

Netsfn1427 wrote...

Harbinger didn't shoot the Normandy because there were higher priority targets on the field. Hundreds of soldiers and tanks were on the field, charging the beam. Harbinger was the only Reaper present. In theory, if even a small handful make it through, that could pose a problem.

The Normandy was irrelevant. It wasn't going to go into the beam because it would have been destroyed when it crashed on the Citadel. It doesn't have the firepower to challenge Harbinger. Harbinger could shoot it because "It's the NORMANDY!", or it could focus on the troops that actually posed a threat.

You can say that if you were Harbinger would have blown up the Normandy anyway. But that doesn't mean its sound logic to target an completely irrelevant target on the battlefield when other high priority targets remain. It's not a plothole.

Here we go again.
Explosion of the Normandy would've ended that retarded offence in swift and deadly way. A lot more effective than shooting individual soldiers.
Also entire priority:earth is unneeded and retarded. Instead of starting pointless ground offensive, command could just used normandy and other frigates to bring troops directly to the beam. That way Harbringer wouldn't even have time to react. Except turning the beam off, of course

[xeNNN]

tivesz wrote...

The only problem here, that Harbinger does have 6 big-ass eyes...there's no way he doesn't see the normandy floating around in the middle of the battlefield.

for all we know, reapers could just precieve things as lines of code.. lol so if something shows as a reaper code infront of a reaper it will ignore it, reapers have been proven to be clearly not as perfect and beyond our understanding plenty of times so.

[MacNasty]

xeNNN wrote...

tivesz wrote...

The only problem here, that Harbinger does have 6 big-ass eyes...there's no way he doesn't see the normandy floating around in the middle of the battlefield.

for all we know, reapers could just precieve things as lines of code.. lol so if something shows as a reaper code infront of a reaper it will ignore it, reapers have been proven to be clearly not as perfect and beyond our understanding plenty of times so.

If that was the case, the cycle would have ended a long time ago...

[Netsfn1427]

Maxster_ wrote...

Here we go again.
Explosion of the Normandy would've ended that retarded offence in swift and deadly way. A lot more effective than shooting individual soldiers.
Also entire priority:earth is unneeded and retarded. Instead of starting pointless ground offensive, command could just used normandy and other frigates to bring troops directly to the beam. That way Harbringer wouldn't even have time to react. Except turning the beam off, of course

You have no evidence to say that would have worked. Besides the fact that we don't know how wide the front for the offensive was, and how large of a blast radius the Normandy would have taken to explode, it also doesn't compensate for the fact that troops are already past the Normandy and closer to the beam. We see troops have very nearly made it to the beam after we wake up with Shepard and approach. Who's to say that those troops who died 10 yards away don't make it if Harbinger wasted time shooting a zero-priority target?

Turning off the beam is a FAR bigger plothole. Or why there are no Reaper or Cerberus troops on the Citadel. But not shooting the Normandy? That's nothing. The gains you suggest it makes are speculatory. Making the decision Harbinger did stopped the offensive. The Normandy, meanwhile, was completely irrelavent to the battle.

In fact, what you're arguing is that the villian stop what its doing, focus on an irrelevant target on the battlefield, when it didn't do that in game and was completely successful in its goal. (Shepard surviving due to plot armor is another matter, and again, a bigger issue than not shooting the Normandy) It's not like the Normandy escaping did anything to Harbinger's detriment. It was as irrelevant as Harbinger thought it was.

[WhiteKnyght]

Maxster_ wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

The real reason Harbinger didn't shoot the Normandy down was because it wasn't ordered to. It was ordered to protect the beam and take out anybody who went for it. The Normandy was evacuating the injured.

Also if you paid attention to the space battles. It takes two or three shots from aReaper to sink a frigate. And those are standard ships. The Normandy SR-2 has Silaris diamond coated armor(Jacob's ME2 upgrade), which is very resilient. It would take more shots than usual to pierce it. Also when the Normandy was taking off, the Cyclonic barriers(Tali's ME2 Upgrade) would have kicked in, they are very good at taking abuse because they don't absorb blasts directly, but deflect them instead, and when they do fail, the normal shields come back at full strength,

So even if Harbinger did attack, short of getting the Normandy in a death grip, Joker would have had the ship out of there before Harby did any serious damage.

There's also the fact that while assaulting the Normandy, he'd be taking his attention away from protecting the beam. Which is disobeying his orders.

So why exactly beam run ever needed? Just order Normandy to get near the beam, unload squad and support. Harbringer wouldn't even have time to react.

He would just shoot the unloaded squadmembers as soon as they  walked out of the Normandy. Or the Normandy getting close for anything other than Evac would provoke him into attacking.

the bigger question is really why didn't the Reapers shut down the conduit when the Alliance got too close.

Or destroy it. It would keep the Alliance forces from getting into the Citadel and docking the Crucible. They could always install a new one later.

[Maxster_]

Netsfn1427 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Here we go again.
Explosion of the Normandy would've ended that retarded offence in swift and deadly way. A lot more effective than shooting individual soldiers.
Also entire priority:earth is unneeded and retarded. Instead of starting pointless ground offensive, command could just used normandy and other frigates to bring troops directly to the beam. That way Harbringer wouldn't even have time to react. Except turning the beam off, of course

You have no evidence to say that would have worked. Besides the fact that we don't know how wide the front for the offensive was, and how large of a blast radius the Normandy would have taken to explode, it also doesn't compensate for the fact that troops are already past the Normandy and closer to the beam. We see troops have very nearly made it to the beam after we wake up with Shepard and approach. Who's to say that those troops who died 10 yards away don't make it if Harbinger wasted time shooting a zero-priority target?

Did i said that guarenteed to work? It just a gamble with real chances of success, compared to that retarded ground offensive.
Every high ranked military officer, especially from Earth Alliance(or Turians for that matter) would come with a normal plan like one with frigates, instead of suicide plan of ground assault without space superiority and against overwhelming forces. Because incompetent officers tend to be removed in times of conflict, and Turians & humans have their share of battles recently.

Also, you ignoring that Harbringer was drawn to the beam because of that retarded offensive. If not for that stupid plan, there would be no Harbringer near the beam, and he wouldn't even have time to react, especially if iff works at short range, or works at all.

Turning off the beam is a FAR bigger plothole. Or why there are no Reaper or Cerberus troops on the Citadel. But not shooting the Normandy? That's nothing. The gains you suggest it makes are speculatory. Making the decision Harbinger did stopped the offensive. The Normandy, meanwhile, was completely irrelavent to the battle.

Yeah, that's why beam turned on and off in cutscenes.
Also, the entire reason of Harbringer descend was that ground offensive.
Also, saying that Normandy is irrelevant to the battle, you're also saying that other frigates also irrelevant. That means that they are all expendable, and supports frigates plan(to bring troops right near the beam). This way ground forces would sustain less losses, and also entire gamble have a lot more probability of success.
And yes, Joker ignored chain of command and abandoned his position and role in the fleet - and risks over 100 crew and advanced frigate to evacuate exactly TWO people, completely ignoring other wounded. That's tribunal, retarded, ooc for Joker, Shepard, and entire squad.

In fact, what you're arguing is that the villian stop what its doing, focus on an irrelevant target on the battlefield, when it didn't do that in game and was completely successful in its goal. (Shepard surviving due to plot armor is another matter, and again, a bigger issue than not shooting the Normandy) It's not like the Normandy escaping did anything to Harbinger's detriment. It was as irrelevant as Harbinger thought it was.

You completely missed the point. I'm saying, that entire priority:earth is retarded and unneeded.
1) beam from citadel. Don't tell me that reapers can't turn their own beam off.
2) Reaper iff working in point blank range - that mission completely retarded, and Hackett is an idiot. He could just used the Normandy to deliver troops at the beam.
3) Harbringer decides not to attack Normandy - he is completely retarded. Cycles should have ended on the first cycle.

In all of those cases, priority:earth is completely unneeded and retarded suicide.

[Maxster_]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

The real reason Harbinger didn't shoot the Normandy down was because it wasn't ordered to. It was ordered to protect the beam and take out anybody who went for it. The Normandy was evacuating the injured.

Also if you paid attention to the space battles. It takes two or three shots from aReaper to sink a frigate. And those are standard ships. The Normandy SR-2 has Silaris diamond coated armor(Jacob's ME2 upgrade), which is very resilient. It would take more shots than usual to pierce it. Also when the Normandy was taking off, the Cyclonic barriers(Tali's ME2 Upgrade) would have kicked in, they are very good at taking abuse because they don't absorb blasts directly, but deflect them instead, and when they do fail, the normal shields come back at full strength,

So even if Harbinger did attack, short of getting the Normandy in a death grip, Joker would have had the ship out of there before Harby did any serious damage.

There's also the fact that while assaulting the Normandy, he'd be taking his attention away from protecting the beam. Which is disobeying his orders.

So why exactly beam run ever needed? Just order Normandy to get near the beam, unload squad and support. Harbringer wouldn't even have time to react.

He would just shoot the unloaded squadmembers as soon as they  walked out of the Normandy. Or the Normandy getting close for anything other than Evac would provoke him into attacking.

Except he was nowhere near the beam when that ground operation started. Therefore, beam is undefended, you just load some(or all) frigate packs with troops and unload right near the beam.

the bigger question is really why didn't the Reapers shut down the conduit when the Alliance got too close.

Or destroy it. It would keep the Alliance forces from getting into the Citadel and docking the Crucible. They could always install a new one later.

Yeah. Entire priority:earth is stupid and glaring plothole, with or without EC.
Especially funny is bombardment of Earth by allied dreadnoughts. Great way to take back Earth.

[Boneyaards]

Harbinger's Priorities:

1. Make sure no one gets to the beam.

*Note: If there is time, make sure to destroy the Normandy and everyone on board.*

It's simple really. Do you kill the people who are fleeing? Or do you kill the people who are charging towards something that will cause your inevitable death? Obviously Harbinger needed to take out the numerous people attempting to reach the conduit to ensure his own survival before he takes pot-shots at the Normandy for his own enjoyment.

[Netsfn1427]

Maxster_ wrote...

Did i said that guarenteed to work? It just a gamble with real chances of success, compared to that retarded ground offensive.
Every high ranked military officer, especially from Earth Alliance(or Turians for that matter) would come with a normal plan like one with frigates, instead of suicide plan of ground assault without space superiority and against overwhelming forces. Because incompetent officers tend to be removed in times of conflict, and Turians & humans have their share of battles recently.

Also, you ignoring that Harbringer was drawn to the beam because of that retarded offensive. If not for that stupid plan, there would be no Harbringer near the beam, and he wouldn't even have time to react, especially if iff works at short range, or works at all.

Um... not debating the genius or lack thereof of the plan from the Alliance side of things. Just talking about Harbinger and the beam and why it didn't shoot at the Normandy. The point I made was that Harbinger didn't need to waste time blasting an irrelevant target on the field when it had higher priority targets en route to the beam. The nature of the Alliance plan isn't important to this discussion.

Yeah, that's why beam turned on and off in cutscenes.
Also, the entire reason of Harbringer descend was that ground offensive.
Also, saying that Normandy is irrelevant to the battle, you're also saying that other frigates also irrelevant. That means that they are all expendable, and supports frigates plan(to bring troops right near the beam). This way ground forces would sustain less losses, and also entire gamble have a lot more probability of success.
And yes, Joker ignored chain of command and abandoned his position and role in the fleet - and risks over 100 crew and advanced frigate to evacuate exactly TWO people, completely ignoring other wounded. That's tribunal, retarded, ooc for Joker, Shepard, and entire squad.

Your plan makes no sense. You want frigates to fly in and drop troops off closer to the beam? You realize they'll be destroyed right? They'll move slower than the in-game assault on the beam did. They would have to slow and allow the troops to exit, in which time Harbinger blows them to smithereens since, unlike the Normandy, they are dumping contributing to the assault on the beam.

And it's hardly the first time Joker's listened to Shepard above all else. I mean shoot in ME1, Shepard, despite having just committed an offense that will get him disgraced, if not jailed, in stealing the Normandy from the Council and the Alliance, apparently has the ability to give orders that everyone, including Admiral Hackett, obeys at the battle of the Citadel. Never mind that even though Shep has zero authority, everyone listens because... well, because then we wouldn't get our end game choice of saving the Council or not.

That btw, is an ME1 plothole. Never see anyone complain about it though.

You completely missed the point. I'm saying, that entire priority:earth is retarded and unneeded.
1) beam from citadel. Don't tell me that reapers can't turn their own beam off.
2) Reaper iff working in point blank range - that mission completely retarded, and Hackett is an idiot. He could just used the Normandy to deliver troops at the beam.
3) Harbringer decides not to attack Normandy - he is completely retarded. Cycles should have ended on the first cycle.

In all of those cases, priority:earth is completely unneeded and retarded suicide.

This is a topic about why Harbinger didn't shoot the Normandy. The other mentions of Priority:Earth's problems aren't relevant. However:

1. Can't argue with that. It's a plothole.

2. I've never argued the Reaper IFF contributing. Others have, but I've never bought that as the reason.

3. It's not retarded. It's the right move. He stops the offensive and the Normandy plays no role in the battle, either in helping troops to the beam or in the larger space battle. You're saying the villian was wrong in doing something that worked exactly as it planned.

[Maxster_]

Boneyaards wrote...

Harbinger's Priorities:

1. Make sure no one gets to the beam.

*Note: If there is time, make sure to destroy the Normandy and everyone on board.*

It's simple really. Do you kill the people who are fleeing? Or do you kill the people who are charging towards something that will cause your inevitable death? Obviously Harbinger needed to take out the numerous people attempting to reach the conduit to ensure his own survival before he takes pot-shots at the Normandy for his own enjoyment.

Except Normandy explosion could do that much faster and decisive.
I also like that you implying that Harbringer reading everyone's minds.

[Eterna]

I don't think we need to argue this anymore, it's pretty much confirmed via this video: http://youtu.be/LEH8DhuG3F0  that EDi has disguised the Nomrandy as a Reaper, which for the time being is the best explanation as to why Harbinger didn't shoot it out of the sky.

[Netsfn1427]

Maxster_ wrote...

Except he was nowhere near the beam when that ground operation started. Therefore, beam is undefended, you just load some(or all) frigate packs with troops and unload right near the beam.

The beam wasn't undefended. A Destroyer was there. The Destroyer you have to take out before you get to the beam run. Harbinger shows up once the Destroyer gets taken out.

[Maxster_]

Netsfn1427 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Did i said that guarenteed to work? It just a gamble with real chances of success, compared to that retarded ground offensive.
Every high ranked military officer, especially from Earth Alliance(or Turians for that matter) would come with a normal plan like one with frigates, instead of suicide plan of ground assault without space superiority and against overwhelming forces. Because incompetent officers tend to be removed in times of conflict, and Turians & humans have their share of battles recently.

Also, you ignoring that Harbringer was drawn to the beam because of that retarded offensive. If not for that stupid plan, there would be no Harbringer near the beam, and he wouldn't even have time to react, especially if iff works at short range, or works at all.

Um... not debating the genius or lack thereof of the plan from the Alliance side of things. Just talking about Harbinger and the beam and why it didn't shoot at the Normandy. The point I made was that Harbinger didn't need to waste time blasting an irrelevant target on the field when it had higher priority targets en route to the beam. The nature of the Alliance plan isn't important to this discussion.

So, you agree that allied fleet officers are completely retarded. And Harbringer is completely retarded. Ok.
And also, explosion of the Normandy would be much more effective for that "task".
And, if Normandy instead bringed reinforcements, she would became priority? I like the idea of completely retarded mind reading Harbringer. That is convincing.

Yeah, that's why beam turned on and off in cutscenes.
Also, the entire reason of Harbringer descend was that ground offensive.
Also, saying that Normandy is irrelevant to the battle, you're also saying that other frigates also irrelevant. That means that they are all expendable, and supports frigates plan(to bring troops right near the beam). This way ground forces would sustain less losses, and also entire gamble have a lot more probability of success.
And yes, Joker ignored chain of command and abandoned his position and role in the fleet - and risks over 100 crew and advanced frigate to evacuate exactly TWO people, completely ignoring other wounded. That's tribunal, retarded, ooc for Joker, Shepard, and entire squad.

Your plan makes no sense. You want frigates to fly in and drop troops off closer to the beam? You realize they'll be destroyed right? They'll move slower than the in-game assault on the beam did. They would have to slow and allow the troops to exit, in which time Harbinger blows them to smithereens since, unlike the Normandy, they are dumping contributing to the assault on the beam.

What? Frigates are slower than infantry? ROFL.

Also, you again ignoring that there were no Harbringer at the start of that retarded ground assault.

So instead of that stupidity, command should just used Normandy and frigates to bring troops directly at the beam.
That way casualties for ground forces would be much less , than 100% in that retarded ground push.
Yeah, some frigates will be destroyed, by they are expendable anyway. You said that yourself.

And it's hardly the first time Joker's listened to Shepard above all else. I mean shoot in ME1, Shepard, despite having just committed an offense that will get him disgraced, if not jailed, in stealing the Normandy from the Council and the Alliance, apparently has the ability to give orders that everyone, including Admiral Hackett, obeys at the battle of the Citadel. Never mind that even though Shep has zero authority, everyone listens because... well, because then we wouldn't get our end game choice of saving the Council or not.

That btw, is an ME1 plothole. Never see anyone complain about it though.

You do realise that first reason - steal the Normandy to stop the reapers and Saren. -- completely contradicts the other reason - endanger fleet operations to evacuate exactly TWO expendable squadmates(and ignoring other wounded) in most important and desperate battle against threat(reapers) to all galactic civilizations?
Second is complete ooc for Shepard, Joker, and entire squad.

You completely missed the point. I'm saying, that entire priority:earth is retarded and unneeded.
1) beam from citadel. Don't tell me that reapers can't turn their own beam off.
2) Reaper iff working in point blank range - that mission completely retarded, and Hackett is an idiot. He could just used the Normandy to deliver troops at the beam.
3) Harbringer decides not to attack Normandy - he is completely retarded. Cycles should have ended on the first cycle.

In all of those cases, priority:earth is completely unneeded and retarded suicide.

This is a topic about why Harbinger didn't shoot the Normandy. The other mentions of Priority:Earth's problems aren't relevant. However:

1. Can't argue with that. It's a plothole.

2. I've never argued the Reaper IFF contributing. Others have, but I've never bought that as the reason.

3. It's not retarded. It's the right move. He stops the offensive and the Normandy plays no role in the battle, either in helping troops to the beam or in the larger space battle. You're saying the villian was wrong in doing something that worked exactly as it planned.

2. I know, i just selected few alternatives.

3. No, it is not right move. Because destroying the Normandy would immediately end that offensive, also finally ends that annoying little man and his crew. Or Harbringer suffered sudden change of personality and iq loss?

[Maxster_]

Netsfn1427 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Except he was nowhere near the beam when that ground operation started. Therefore, beam is undefended, you just load some(or all) frigate packs with troops and unload right near the beam.

The beam wasn't undefended. A Destroyer was there. The Destroyer you have to take out before you get to the beam run. Harbinger shows up once the Destroyer gets taken out.

Yeah, how long would that destroyer survive against like 10 frigates with thanix cannons? 2 seconds maximum.

Modifié par Maxster_, 01 octobre 2012 - 01:30 .

[Maxster_]

Eterna5 wrote...

I don't think we need to argue this anymore, it's pretty much confirmed via this video: http://youtu.be/LEH8DhuG3F0  that EDi has disguised the Nomrandy as a Reaper, which for the time being is the best explanation as to why Harbinger didn't shoot it out of the sky.

Yeah, sure. That's why Normandy could just unloaded Shepard squad and support right before the beam.

[Eterna]

Maxster_ wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

I don't think we need to argue this anymore, it's pretty much confirmed via this video: http://youtu.be/LEH8DhuG3F0  that EDi has disguised the Nomrandy as a Reaper, which for the time being is the best explanation as to why Harbinger didn't shoot it out of the sky.

Yeah, sure. That's why Normandy could just unloaded Shepard squad and support right before the beam.

That would be a very boring story.

[Maxster_]

Eterna5 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

I don't think we need to argue this anymore, it's pretty much confirmed via this video: http://youtu.be/LEH8DhuG3F0  that EDi has disguised the Nomrandy as a Reaper, which for the time being is the best explanation as to why Harbinger didn't shoot it out of the sky.

Yeah, sure. That's why Normandy could just unloaded Shepard squad and support right before the beam.

That would be a very boring story.

Sure, retarded crucible and catalyst are WAY better

[Slayer299]

Netsfn1427 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Except he was nowhere near the beam when that ground operation started. Therefore, beam is undefended, you just load some(or all) frigate packs with troops and unload right near the beam.

The beam wasn't undefended. A Destroyer was there. The Destroyer you have to take out before you get to the beam run. Harbinger shows up once the Destroyer gets taken out.

The problem there is that you are assuming the Destroyer could take out say 10 Frigates before they could react, when what would probably happen would go along this line;

Shep - "Frigate 1 is destroyed, Frigates #2 & #3 engage the Destroyer while the rest of the task group lands and disembarks their troops. Frigates #4 - #10, as soon as your troops are off assist #2 & #3 with the Destroyer or fall back to the rally point if its destroyed." 

Yes, troops can be lost during the landing/fight with the Destroyer, but its no where near going to shoot down all/most of the frigates doing the landing.

[Netsfn1427]

Maxster_ wrote...

So, you agree that allied fleet officers are completely retarded. And Harbringer is completely retarded. Ok.
And also, explosion of the Normandy would be much more effective for that "task".
And, if Normandy instead bringed reinforcements, she would became priority? I like the idea of completely retarded mind reading Harbringer. That is convincing.

I already pointed out the unknown quantity that is the Normandy exploding, unless you truly believe that the assault was all happening on a narrow corridor that was 100 yards across. You have no evidence to prove that blowing up the Normandy is more effective than what Harbinger actually did, especially since it couldn't have been more effective since what Harbinger did stopped the assault. You can keep repeating it, but it proves nothing.

What? Frigates are slower than infantry? ROFL.

Also, you again ignoring that there were no Harbringer at the start of that retarded ground assault.

So instead of that stupidity, command should just used Normandy and frigates to bring troops directly at the beam.
That way casualties for ground forces would be much less , than 100% in that retarded ground push.
Yeah, some frigates will be destroyed, by they are expendable anyway. You said that yourself.

Frigates will be slower that infantry if you have to unload those troops. What do you think they'll magically appear on the battlefield? The frigates have to slow to allow the unloading of troops. At that point, Harbinger blows them and their troops out of the sky as or before they unload the troops. Battle lost.

You do realise that first reason - steal the Normandy to stop the reapers and Saren. -- completely contradicts the other reason - endanger fleet operations to evacuate exactly TWO expendable squadmates(and ignoring other wounded) in most important and desperate battle against threat(reapers) to all galactic civilizations?
Second is complete ooc for Shepard, Joker, and entire squad.

I'm pointing out that ME1 has a gaping plothole along similiar lines; Shepard suddenly has the authority to order ships or fleets what to do. In ME3 it's actually more believable; Joker's been willing to listen to any order Shepard says. Hackett has zero reason to listen to Shepard at the Battle of the Citadel considering Shepard would have been a person non-grata to the Alliance after stealing a war ship and risking galaxy wide war by going into the Terminus Syststems.

2. I know, i just selected few alternatives.

3. No, it is not right move. Because destroying the Normandy would immediately end that offensive, also finally ends that annoying little man and his crew. Or Harbringer suffered sudden change of personality and iq loss?

3. Back it up with evidence or drop the point. Prove that blowing up the Normandy would have stopped the offensive. Because I can prove in game that not wasting time shooting the Normandy was effective in stopping the offensive.

edit: for quote boxes.

Modifié par Netsfn1427, 01 octobre 2012 - 01:47 .

[Zardoc]

Boneyaards wrote...

Harbinger's Priorities:

1. Make sure no one gets to the beam.

*Note: If there is time, make sure to destroy the Normandy and everyone on board.*

It's simple really. Do you kill the people who are fleeing? Or do you kill the people who are charging towards something that will cause your inevitable death? Obviously Harbinger needed to take out the numerous people attempting to reach the conduit to ensure his own survival before he takes pot-shots at the Normandy for his own enjoyment.

Little problem with your theory here. First, Harby isn't doing anything at all during the Normandy pickup. Second, he has atleast 2 beams, so it's not like he has to choose between shooting charging mooks and shooting the Normandy, since he can easily do both. Third, the Normandy was also unloading troops, making it a priority target. And fourth, Shepard was standing right in front of it. You know, the guy the Reapers in general and Harbinger in particular hate and try to get rid of? Easy kill, right there.

[color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">I don't think we need to argue this anymore, it's pretty much confirmed via this video: ] that EDi has disguised the Nomrandy as a Reaper, which for the time being is the best explanation as to why Harbinger didn't shoot it out of the sky.[/color]

I take it you didn't read much of this or any other thread regarding that particular topic, did you? This has been debunked pretty much the day the EC came out.

Modifié par Zardoc, 01 octobre 2012 - 01:51 .

[Netsfn1427]

Slayer299 wrote...

Netsfn1427 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Except he was nowhere near the beam when that ground operation started. Therefore, beam is undefended, you just load some(or all) frigate packs with troops and unload right near the beam.

The beam wasn't undefended. A Destroyer was there. The Destroyer you have to take out before you get to the beam run. Harbinger shows up once the Destroyer gets taken out.

The problem there is that you are assuming the Destroyer could take out say 10 Frigates before they could react, when what would probably happen would go along this line;

Shep - "Frigate 1 is destroyed, Frigates #2 & #3 engage the Destroyer while the rest of the task group lands and disembarks their troops. Frigates #4 - #10, as soon as your troops are off assist #2 & #3 with the Destroyer or fall back to the rally point if its destroyed." 

Yes, troops can be lost during the landing/fight with the Destroyer, but its no where near going to shoot down all/most of the frigates doing the landing.

Why couldn't it take out the ships? Troops take time to unload. And frigates don't have the fire power to take out a Destroyer. I believe Thanix cannons' power are partially based on the power of their drive core. Dreadnoughts have greater firepower than frigates and captial ships have more power in the same cannons that dreadnoughts do. Given that the Destroyer on Rannoch takes the entire Quarian Fleet, with precise targeting to a specfic weakpoint, to bring down, there is almost no way a small number of frigates could have done enough to take down the Destroyer, or get the troops to the beam.

And yes, I'm aware the Quarians didn't have Thanix cannons. That said, I highly doubt 1 cannon is greater than the entire power of the Migrant Fleet, the largest fleet in the galaxy. If their combined might couldn't bring down a Destroyer without targeting it's weakpoint, 10 frigates aren't going to do it.