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[Zardoc]

Netsfn1427 wrote...

Slayer299 wrote...

Netsfn1427 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Except he was nowhere near the beam when that ground operation started. Therefore, beam is undefended, you just load some(or all) frigate packs with troops and unload right near the beam.

The beam wasn't undefended. A Destroyer was there. The Destroyer you have to take out before you get to the beam run. Harbinger shows up once the Destroyer gets taken out.

The problem there is that you are assuming the Destroyer could take out say 10 Frigates before they could react, when what would probably happen would go along this line;

Shep - "Frigate 1 is destroyed, Frigates #2 & #3 engage the Destroyer while the rest of the task group lands and disembarks their troops. Frigates #4 - #10, as soon as your troops are off assist #2 & #3 with the Destroyer or fall back to the rally point if its destroyed." 

Yes, troops can be lost during the landing/fight with the Destroyer, but its no where near going to shoot down all/most of the frigates doing the landing.

Why couldn't it take out the ships? Troops take time to unload. And frigates don't have the fire power to take out a Destroyer. I believe Thanix cannons' power are partially based on the power of their drive core. Dreadnoughts have greater firepower than frigates and captial ships have more power in the same cannons that dreadnoughts do. Given that the Destroyer on Rannoch takes the entire Quarian Fleet, with precise targeting to a specfic weakpoint, to bring down, there is almost no way a small number of frigates could have done enough to take down the Destroyer, or get the troops to the beam.

And yes, I'm aware the Quarians didn't have Thanix cannons. That said, I highly doubt 1 cannon is greater than the entire power of the Migrant Fleet, the largest fleet in the galaxy. If their combined might couldn't bring down a Destroyer without targeting it's weakpoint, 10 frigates aren't going to do it.

There is a difference between directly firing at a target and bombarding it from high orbit. I also doubt they fired with their full power, given that on of their admirals and Shepard were standing about 30 meters away from their target. Also, it is highly unlikely the entire quarian fleet fired on that Reaper. They would've pulverised the entire area.

May I also remind you that one shoot from a Cain or a Thannix Missile are enough to bring down a Destroyer?

Modifié par Zardoc, 01 octobre 2012 - 02:01 .

[Slayer299]

Netsfn1427 wrote...

Slayer299 wrote...

Netsfn1427 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Except he was nowhere near the beam when that ground operation started. Therefore, beam is undefended, you just load some(or all) frigate packs with troops and unload right near the beam.

The beam wasn't undefended. A Destroyer was there. The Destroyer you have to take out before you get to the beam run. Harbinger shows up once the Destroyer gets taken out.

The problem there is that you are assuming the Destroyer could take out say 10 Frigates before they could react, when what would probably happen would go along this line;

Shep - "Frigate 1 is destroyed, Frigates #2 & #3 engage the Destroyer while the rest of the task group lands and disembarks their troops. Frigates #4 - #10, as soon as your troops are off assist #2 & #3 with the Destroyer or fall back to the rally point if its destroyed." 

Yes, troops can be lost during the landing/fight with the Destroyer, but its no where near going to shoot down all/most of the frigates doing the landing.

Why couldn't it take out the ships? Troops take time to unload. And frigates don't have the fire power to take out a Destroyer. I believe Thanix cannons' power are partially based on the power of their drive core. Dreadnoughts have greater firepower than frigates and captial ships have more power in the same cannons that dreadnoughts do. Given that the Destroyer on Rannoch takes the entire Quarian Fleet, with precise targeting to a specfic weakpoint, to bring down, there is almost no way a small number of frigates could have done enough to take down the Destroyer, or get the troops to the beam.

And yes, I'm aware the Quarians didn't have Thanix cannons. That said, I highly doubt 1 cannon is greater than the entire power of the Migrant Fleet, the largest fleet in the galaxy. If their combined might couldn't bring down a Destroyer without targeting it's weakpoint, 10 frigates aren't going to do it.

And 1 Javelin missile does? Besides you're still skipping how its going to shoot down 10 frigates nearly at *once* while being shot by other ships. As for the Quarian fleet, their targeting seems to have some serious potholes when you watch the cut-scene and it takes 50 ships to hit it when its being laser targeted.

[CoolHanc101]

Humakt83 wrote...

There is only one reason Harbinger did not shot Normandy: He wanted Shepard alive.

Now that's just absurd. If he wanted Shepard alive, why later shot him/her with the beam?

[Netsfn1427]

Zardoc wrote...

There is a difference between directly firing at a target and bombarding it from high orbit. I also doubt they fired with their full power, given that on of their admirals and Shepard were standing about 30 meters away from their target. Also, it is highly unlikely the entire quarian fleet fired on that Reaper. They would've pulverised the entire area.

May I also remind you that one shoot from a Cain or a Thannix Missile are enough to bring down a Destroyer?

They should have pulverized the area anyway. The targeting may have been precise, but bombarding from orbit meant that they were going to miss by some distance. Shep should have been killed there, but plot armor. We also don't know if the Destroyer's shields would have faltered had the fleet been closer. I don't think it's fair to assume so, since despite being weaker than Capital Ships, we never see anyone successfully take down a destroyer without using a giant thresher maw or hitting its weak point.

Bioware seemed to have created Destroyers with a precise Achilles Heel. The missles hit the weakpoint and the explosion is probably made worse because the Destroyer closes up, thus trapping the energy from the explosion inside. As for the Cain, the glorified AA gun was a Destroyer, but it's build had to be atypical of a normal Destroyer. Otherwise other Destroyers should have had the capabilities it showed, and they didn't. So the alterations made it weaker to ground assault.

The same vunerability from the Cain probably didn't exist for a normal Destroyer. Hence why it isn't used on the ground assault against the Destroyer guarding the beam.

[Netsfn1427]

Slayer299 wrote...

And 1 Javelin missile does? Besides you're still skipping how its going to shoot down 10 frigates nearly at *once* while being shot by other ships. As for the Quarian fleet, their targeting seems to have some serious potholes when you watch the cut-scene and it takes 50 ships to hit it when its being laser targeted.

It wouldn't be that hard. How long do you think it takes to unload troops off a frigate? Now how long to do you think it would take a Destroyer to fire ten or so shots, especially since the Frigates unloading troops can't move while they're unloading.

[Maxster_]

Netsfn1427 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

So, you agree that allied fleet officers are completely retarded. And Harbringer is completely retarded. Ok.
And also, explosion of the Normandy would be much more effective for that "task".
And, if Normandy instead bringed reinforcements, she would became priority? I like the idea of completely retarded mind reading Harbringer. That is convincing.

I already pointed out the unknown quantity that is the Normandy exploding, unless you truly believe that the assault was all happening on a narrow corridor that was 100 yards across. You have no evidence to prove that blowing up the Normandy is more effective than what Harbinger actually did, especially since it couldn't have been more effective since what Harbinger did stopped the assault. You can keep repeating it, but it proves nothing.

That is where you are wrong.
Earth intro, blowing cruiser. Tantalus drive core, Admiral Mikhailovich inspection
Normandy SR-1 have a drive core equvalent of a cruiser. SR-2 even bigger.

unless you truly believe that the assault was all happening on a narrow corridor that was 100 yards across.

So, you are making things up to back up your cause? That sure great argument.

What? Frigates are slower than infantry? ROFL.

Also, you again ignoring that there were no Harbringer at the start of that retarded ground assault.

So instead of that stupidity, command should just used Normandy and frigates to bring troops directly at the beam.
That way casualties for ground forces would be much less , than 100% in that retarded ground push.
Yeah, some frigates will be destroyed, by they are expendable anyway. You said that yourself.

Frigates will be slower that infantry if you have to unload those troops. What do you think they'll magically appear on the battlefield? The frigates have to slow to allow the unloading of troops. At that point, Harbinger blows them and their troops out of the sky as or before they unload the troops. Battle lost.

So you're saying that unloading infantry from frigates is slower than entire ground assault?
I like how you instantly making things up to defend the undefendable.

You do realise that first reason - steal the Normandy to stop the reapers and Saren. -- completely contradicts the other reason - endanger fleet operations to evacuate exactly TWO expendable squadmates(and ignoring other wounded) in most important and desperate battle against threat(reapers) to all galactic civilizations?
Second is complete ooc for Shepard, Joker, and entire squad.

I'm pointing out that ME1 has a gaping plothole along similiar lines; Shepard suddenly has the authority to order ships or fleets what to do. In ME3 it's actually more believable; Joker's been willing to listen to any order Shepard says. Hackett has zero reason to listen to Shepard at the Battle of the Citadel considering Shepard would have been a person non-grata to the Alliance after stealing a war ship and risking galaxy wide war by going into the Terminus Syststems.

Yeah, Hackett suddenly decided to listen to strategic advice from simple commander, and not only listen but follow. Which is strange, even if Shepard is first human spectre and all that. Shepard never commanded any fleet, or frigate pack.
Not, in me3 is not believeable at all. First, complete opposite reasons  - in ME1 reason was to save everyone from the reapers no matter cost to the Shepard, Anderson and squad(completely selfless). In ME3 reason was to save 2 squadmates at expense of endangering entire fleet operation against the reapers, ignoring chain of command - completely selfish.
Thus, ME3 scene is complete ooc for Joker, Shepard and squad.

2. I know, i just selected few alternatives.

3. No, it is not right move. Because destroying the Normandy would immediately end that offensive, also finally ends that annoying little man and his crew. Or Harbringer suffered sudden change of personality and iq loss?

3. Back it up with evidence or drop the point. Prove that blowing up the Normandy would have stopped the offensive. Because I can prove in game that not wasting time shooting the Normandy was effective in stopping the offensive.

edit: for quote boxes.

Already.

[Maxster_]

Netsfn1427 wrote...

Slayer299 wrote...

Netsfn1427 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Except he was nowhere near the beam when that ground operation started. Therefore, beam is undefended, you just load some(or all) frigate packs with troops and unload right near the beam.

The beam wasn't undefended. A Destroyer was there. The Destroyer you have to take out before you get to the beam run. Harbinger shows up once the Destroyer gets taken out.

The problem there is that you are assuming the Destroyer could take out say 10 Frigates before they could react, when what would probably happen would go along this line;

Shep - "Frigate 1 is destroyed, Frigates #2 & #3 engage the Destroyer while the rest of the task group lands and disembarks their troops. Frigates #4 - #10, as soon as your troops are off assist #2 & #3 with the Destroyer or fall back to the rally point if its destroyed." 

Yes, troops can be lost during the landing/fight with the Destroyer, but its no where near going to shoot down all/most of the frigates doing the landing.

Why couldn't it take out the ships? Troops take time to unload. And frigates don't have the fire power to take out a Destroyer. I believe Thanix cannons' power are partially based on the power of their drive core. Dreadnoughts have greater firepower than frigates and captial ships have more power in the same cannons that dreadnoughts do. Given that the Destroyer on Rannoch takes the entire Quarian Fleet, with precise targeting to a specfic weakpoint, to bring down, there is almost no way a small number of frigates could have done enough to take down the Destroyer, or get the troops to the beam.
And yes, I'm aware the Quarians didn't have Thanix cannons. That said, I highly doubt 1 cannon is greater than the entire power of the Migrant Fleet, the largest fleet in the galaxy. If their combined might couldn't bring down a Destroyer without targeting it's weakpoint, 10 frigates aren't going to do it.

LOL.
I believe you have no idea about ME lore.
About bombarding planets.
So Shepard died with that reaper. Too bad.

[Maxster_]

Slayer299 wrote...

Netsfn1427 wrote...

Slayer299 wrote...

Netsfn1427 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Except he was nowhere near the beam when that ground operation started. Therefore, beam is undefended, you just load some(or all) frigate packs with troops and unload right near the beam.

The beam wasn't undefended. A Destroyer was there. The Destroyer you have to take out before you get to the beam run. Harbinger shows up once the Destroyer gets taken out.

The problem there is that you are assuming the Destroyer could take out say 10 Frigates before they could react, when what would probably happen would go along this line;

Shep - "Frigate 1 is destroyed, Frigates #2 & #3 engage the Destroyer while the rest of the task group lands and disembarks their troops. Frigates #4 - #10, as soon as your troops are off assist #2 & #3 with the Destroyer or fall back to the rally point if its destroyed." 

Yes, troops can be lost during the landing/fight with the Destroyer, but its no where near going to shoot down all/most of the frigates doing the landing.

Why couldn't it take out the ships? Troops take time to unload. And frigates don't have the fire power to take out a Destroyer. I believe Thanix cannons' power are partially based on the power of their drive core. Dreadnoughts have greater firepower than frigates and captial ships have more power in the same cannons that dreadnoughts do. Given that the Destroyer on Rannoch takes the entire Quarian Fleet, with precise targeting to a specfic weakpoint, to bring down, there is almost no way a small number of frigates could have done enough to take down the Destroyer, or get the troops to the beam.

And yes, I'm aware the Quarians didn't have Thanix cannons. That said, I highly doubt 1 cannon is greater than the entire power of the Migrant Fleet, the largest fleet in the galaxy. If their combined might couldn't bring down a Destroyer without targeting it's weakpoint, 10 frigates aren't going to do it.

And 1 Javelin missile does? Besides you're still skipping how its going to shoot down 10 frigates nearly at *once* while being shot by other ships. As for the Quarian fleet, their targeting seems to have some serious potholes when you watch the cut-scene and it takes 50 ships to hit it when its being laser targeted.

With entire quarian fleet firing on that reaper, there would be a wasteland and Shepard would be dead.

[Maxster_]

Zardoc wrote...

Boneyaards wrote...

Harbinger's Priorities:

1. Make sure no one gets to the beam.

*Note: If there is time, make sure to destroy the Normandy and everyone on board.*

It's simple really. Do you kill the people who are fleeing? Or do you kill the people who are charging towards something that will cause your inevitable death? Obviously Harbinger needed to take out the numerous people attempting to reach the conduit to ensure his own survival before he takes pot-shots at the Normandy for his own enjoyment.

Little problem with your theory here. First, Harby isn't doing anything at all during the Normandy pickup. Second, he has atleast 2 beams, so it's not like he has to choose between shooting charging mooks and shooting the Normandy, since he can easily do both. Third, the Normandy was also unloading troops, making it a priority target. And fourth, Shepard was standing right in front of it. You know, the guy the Reapers in general and Harbinger in particular hate and try to get rid of? Easy kill, right there.

[color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">I don't think we need to argue this anymore, it's pretty much confirmed via this video: ] that EDi has disguised the Nomrandy as a Reaper, which for the time being is the best explanation as to why Harbinger didn't shoot it out of the sky.[/color]

I take it you didn't read much of this or any other thread regarding that particular topic, did you? This has been debunked pretty much the day the EC came out.

Yeah, there is so many plotholes in that *censored*, that is impossible to discuss every one at once.
Thanks for the addition.

[Maxster_]

Netsfn1427 wrote...

Slayer299 wrote...

And 1 Javelin missile does? Besides you're still skipping how its going to shoot down 10 frigates nearly at *once* while being shot by other ships. As for the Quarian fleet, their targeting seems to have some serious potholes when you watch the cut-scene and it takes 50 ships to hit it when its being laser targeted.

It wouldn't be that hard. How long do you think it takes to unload troops off a frigate? Now how long to do you think it would take a Destroyer to fire ten or so shots, especially since the Frigates unloading troops can't move while they're unloading.

So, instead of taking down that destroyer first, retarded frigate captains just starting unloading troops in front of a destroyer.
I guess only imbeciles join Earth Alliance army(and every other species army; especially funny with turians).
You really hate military, do you?

[Maxster_]

Netsfn1427 wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

There is a difference between directly firing at a target and bombarding it from high orbit. I also doubt they fired with their full power, given that on of their admirals and Shepard were standing about 30 meters away from their target. Also, it is highly unlikely the entire quarian fleet fired on that Reaper. They would've pulverised the entire area.

May I also remind you that one shoot from a Cain or a Thannix Missile are enough to bring down a Destroyer?

They should have pulverized the area anyway. The targeting may have been precise, but bombarding from orbit meant that they were going to miss by some distance. Shep should have been killed there, but plot armor. We also don't know if the Destroyer's shields would have faltered had the fleet been closer. I don't think it's fair to assume so, since despite being weaker than Capital Ships, we never see anyone successfully take down a destroyer without using a giant thresher maw or hitting its weak point.

So you are making things up again. So because of plot armor, few shots on that reaper, that we saw in game, represent the entire quarian fleet.
And Shepard not dead because of plot armor, and reaper destroyer is completely unbeatable because of Shepard's plot armor.
I like how you are inventing things to support a failed cause.

Bioware seemed to have created Destroyers with a precise Achilles Heel. The missles hit the weakpoint and the explosion is probably made worse because the Destroyer closes up, thus trapping the energy from the explosion inside. As for the Cain, the glorified AA gun was a Destroyer, but it's build had to be atypical of a normal Destroyer. Otherwise other Destroyers should have had the capabilities it showed, and they didn't. So the alterations made it weaker to ground assault.

The same vunerability from the Cain probably didn't exist for a normal Destroyer. Hence why it isn't used on the ground assault against the Destroyer guarding the beam.

So, inventing things again. Prove that with ingame information, please, i'm tired debunking your baseless fantasies.

[N1GHTHeR0]

I think Harbinger just wanted the plot to advance.

[DuffyMJ]

Didn't harbinger want to "preserve shepards body"?

[Deadlysyns]

DuffyMJ wrote...

Didn't harbinger want to "preserve shepards body"?

in number 2 yes i doubt he cared when Shepard was running to destroy him and his people. but Shepard would of survived the explosion he survived being shot by a Reaper 

[Omega Torsk]

I think the OP has a very good theory.

And I'll take "ALL MAH FEELZ" any day over Walters'... "artistic vision."

[Obadiah]

I played the beam run the other day, and I noticed there were a bunch of Reaper death ray sound effects going off while the Normandy was leaving. I think Harby probably was shooting at the Normandy, for some reason the beam effects didn't get into the scene.

*Shrug* Or maybe it was the IFF, The Reapers have some big ass lights on their "foreheads", but those may not be sensors of any kind.

[dorktainian]

i stopped associating mass effect with science after shep was resurrected after planetary re-entry and brain death. maybe harbinger has eyes that unly see bull.... plot mistakes?

[Maxster_]

dorktainian wrote...

i stopped associating mass effect with science after shep was resurrected after planetary re-entry and brain death. maybe harbinger has eyes that unly see bull.... plot mistakes?

Yeah, that was a big kick for me too.
They could just put Shepard in coma, for 2 years(although a bit cliche), but this...

[BurningArmor]

To my way of thinking, Harbinger was dealing with alot of stuff coming his way. Current day sensors / radars have a maximum number of targets that can be tracked at one time. If Reapers do not see as Humanoid organics do, Normandy's use of the Reaper IFF (ID-Friend or Foe) codes, could have made Normandy a low priority as a contact. Confirmed threats would be processed before Normandy which did not actively attack Harbinger.

[Maxster_]

BurningArmor wrote...

To my way of thinking, Harbinger was dealing with alot of stuff coming his way. Current day sensors / radars have a maximum number of targets that can be tracked at one time. If Reapers do not see as Humanoid organics do, Normandy's use of the Reaper IFF (ID-Friend or Foe) codes, could have made Normandy a low priority as a contact. Confirmed threats would be processed before Normandy which did not actively attack Harbinger.

Yeah, that's why any sane commanding officer(=Hackett) just would've ordered Normandy to unload team of specialists right before the beam, instead of retarded ground assault.

Modifié par Maxster_, 01 octobre 2012 - 05:56 .

[BurningArmor]

Maxster_ wrote...

BurningArmor wrote...

To my way of thinking, Harbinger was dealing with alot of stuff coming his way. Current day sensors / radars have a maximum number of targets that can be tracked at one time. If Reapers do not see as Humanoid organics do, Normandy's use of the Reaper IFF (ID-Friend or Foe) codes, could have made Normandy a low priority as a contact. Confirmed threats would be processed before Normandy which did not actively attack Harbinger.

Yeah, that's why any sane commanding officer(=Hackett) just would've ordered Normandy to unload team of specialists right before the beam, instead of retarded ground assault.

I think it was Admiral Anderson that was actually in charge of the London Fun Run while Admiral Hackett was using Sword Fleet to protect the Crucible.  Hackett also sent ships to keep Reapers from fortifying Harbinger's position.  Shepard was the guy crazy enough to call Normandy into a very hot landing zone.  I thought about the idea that the ground assault might not have been needed, but there still had to be something or some one to keep Harbinger busy.  I also agree that it was too bad the Normandy did not have an extra boarding party to drop off at the curb next to Marauder Shield's hiding place.


   

Modifié par BurningArmor, 01 octobre 2012 - 07:00 .

[N7 Shadow 90]

Maxster_ wrote...

N7 Shadow 90 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

N7 Shadow 90 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

N7 Shadow 90 wrote...

You said that you like that scene, and people who saying that this scene is a plothole annoys you. There is no argument in that.
Also, it is clearly you don't want to give any arguments, because you do not have a valid ones. Also read thread name - you really believe, that the reason for Harbringer not to shoot down the Normandy, is that you like that scene?

I gave two reasons.

Nah, you didn't. You just stated that those reasons are irrelevant to you. Also, you didn't read the thread.
So tell me, why exactly you came to this thread?

1. I never said that those resons were irrelevent.
2. I did read the thread.
3.  I came here to express my feelings. Just like you. (And in a more civil way.)

Also, tell me why you are on the ME3 forums. Aren't forums supposed to be for fans? Everything you have said has been negative.

1. You did, when you offered 2 diametral opposite reasons, and stated that it is a brilliant scene, and everyone should appreciate that.
That clearly shows, that reason is irrelevant to you.

2. So why exactly you are repeating those retarded "reasons"?
If reaper iff is working that way, that reapers can't see Normandy at point blank range - 1) reapers are completely retarted, having no sensors, and easily fooled. 2) Entire priority:earth is completely unneeded, because you just need to go right to the beam on Normandy, and unload entire squad, and support troops there 3) Whoever came up with that mission(I presume that was Hackett), is completely retarded, and couldn't even promoted to a rank higher than lieutenant.

If Harbringer is just not destroyed the Normandy, it makes him completely retarded, because exploded normandy would be much more effective, than shooting individual soldiers. Also, priority:earth is still completely unneeded.

3. Yeah, that why you said that people that thinks not like you, annoys you. And offered nothing related to the topic.

4. Of course, i'm here just to annoy you. And also, the existance of people that eat everything they served, without questions or doubts, annoys me. Especially when sci-fi is on the menu.
Being serious, i like ME universe, and ME1 especially. And i despise that standalone pseudo-rpg shooter with auto-dialogue that called "ME3".
As for you assumption, that forums should be only for yes-man - that was actually funny, thanks
Also, look that those yes-man helped SWTOR, that should give you some clues

1. If I thought this was an actual plot hole then i would not like the scene as much, and I never said that 'everyone' should appreciate it. I simply said that it's a shame that hardly anybody appreciates it, because, in my opinion it is an awesome scene.
2. What's to say the Normandy wouldn't of got shot down by Reaper troops? And you really think they are going to fit enough support troops in the Normandy?
3. I said that it annoys me when people say this is a plot hole, because it is not one. I am talking about Harby not shooting down the Normandy specificly. I think that it's clear that Harby was trying to stop people getting to the beam. Why would he bother to shoot the Normandy and let people get to the beam?
4. As I have said I would not like the scene as much if I genuinely considered it a plot hole. And the fact that you like ME1 doesn't tell me why you are on the ME3 forums. If you don't like ME3 then fair enough, but is there honestly not anything better for you to do than spending your time on the forums of game you don't like complaining?

1. Plot holes are plot holes, they are objective. Your opinion are not. If you like to cover your eyes, or just don't know anything about ME lore - that is your decision, that have nothing to do with objectiveness.
I'm saying that this entire scene, is completely retarded, as entire priority:earth is completely unneeded, thus making commanding officers of the allied fleets complete idiots. If you did read the thread, why you didn't objecting real points, and just repeating same points, that already proved as false.

2. Yeah, military frigate grade shields penetrated by hand weapons, sure thing. That is why airplanes easily shut down by AK from 5 km, and tanks stopped by 9mm pistols.
As for enough support troops - sure, it would be like 50 more than in existing ending, encluding extraordinary specialists like Shepard(unwounded), Garrus, Vega, and Tali.

3. I like how you completely ignored explosion of Normandy, that would simultaneously destroy a lot more than single soldier by shot, also completely stopping entire retarded advance.
It is a plothole, and a glaring one. You just choose to ignore it.

4. Don't tell me what i should do with my time. If you are so annoyed - just deal with it.
I'm getting fun from my purchase, just the other way.

1. It is not a plot hole. As I have said why couldn't Harby of just been covering the beam? Why is that so hard to believe? If he shot the Normandy, then yes a lot of troops could have died, but some other troops could have got to the beam while Harby was distracted. How has this been proven false?
2. I was thinking more along the lines of a few Harvesters. And if the Normandy was shot down by one, then chances are that everybody on board would die. Including all the troops.
3. Yes it would, but, as I have said, it would have left the beam open for troops to get through.
4. You actually find it fun to spend your time complaining on a forum? 

Modifié par N7 Shadow 90, 01 octobre 2012 - 06:47 .

[xsdob]

tivesz wrote...

The only problem here, that Harbinger does have 6 big-ass eyes...there's no way he doesn't see the normandy floating around in the middle of the battlefield.

Here's a problem with that...how do you know those are actually eyes?

They could be his sensors, and their placement is merely cooincidental or an asthetic choice of the development team to make it clear that this reaper is harbinger.

As far as I can tell from reapers and soverign, they don't really have eyes, more like the sensory parts like the xenomorphs, no eyes but can find prey just fine.

[The Twilight God]

The Reapers have openly expressed a desire to get Shepard. Sovereign wanted Shepard on its side. Harbinger wanted Shepard's corpse. Harbinger directed the Collectors to recover Shepard intact in all fights where it is present. In the Arrival DLC, Harbinger expressed that it wanted Shepard alive and had its minion take Shepard alive. Harbinger spares Shepard during the Conduit Run. The Reapers wanted Shepard's code integrated into themselves. There is something about him that TIM, the Reapers and the Leviathans acknowledge.

The Twilight God wrote...


Why would TIM need Shepard to believe him? He has the physical capacity to open the arms himself. He was there prior to Shepard's arrival and could have rendered the entire Hammer operation unnecessary.  It is the Reapers who need Shepard to believe. They are trying to indoctrinate Shepard through TIM as the Reapers tried to indoctrinate Kahlee Sanders through Paul Grayson. The Reapers are trying to convince Shepard. The Reapers could have had TIM use dominate on Shepard and immediately put a bullet in his head.

Harbinger could have killed Shepard during the run to the conduit. Instead, Harbinger allowed Shepard to live. Why would he do that if he had no ulterior motive in mind? The beam he fires in Shepard's path is to the left of Shepard (changed in the EC) as not to strike him. Yet it knocks flying aircraft out of the sky with pinpoint accuracy. There are two soldiers running ahead of Shepard who Harbinger blasts away in two pinpoint shots. If Reapers have eyes and/or it detected the Normandy despite the stealth drive it stands to reason it did not blow it up for fear of killing Shepard in the resulting explosion. It simply isn't plausible that Harbinger would allow Shepard to live and carry on without any ulterior motive.

Modifié par The Twilight God, 01 octobre 2012 - 07:04 .

[Peranor]

Ah yes, the "Reaper IFF". I have dismissed that claim.