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[Eterna]

anorling wrote...



Ah yes, the "Reaper IFF". I have dismissed that claim.

No you haven't. Contribute something useful to the discussion or leave. 

[torabashiri]

From the other side of the coin, I was curious why the Normandy never fired at Harbinger. Perhaps a little distraction might have helped those on the ground.

[Peranor]

Eterna5 wrote...

anorling wrote...



Ah yes, the "Reaper IFF". I have dismissed that claim.

No you haven't. Contribute something useful to the discussion or leave. 

Yes I have dismissed it.
The Reaper IFF explanation is just ridiculous. Apologetic even.

Bioware made a misstake with the Normandy scene in the EC. It happens. People make misstakes. But trying to come up with home-made reasons for Harby not to fire on Normandy will not work. Because there is no reason to be found in the game, Bioware forgot to add it. As I said, misstakes happen.  
And in my opinion there are far worse things wrong with the ending then the Normandy scene anyway.

Modifié par anorling, 01 octobre 2012 - 08:02 .

[The Twilight God]

anorling wrote...

Yes I have dismissed it.
The Reaper IFF explanation is just ridiculous. Apologetic even.

Bioware made a misstake with the Normandy scene in the EC. It happens. People make misstakes. But trying to come up with home-made reasons for Harby not to fire on Normandy will not work. Because there is no reason to be found in the game, Bioware forgot to add it. As I said, misstakes happen.  
And in my opinion there are far worse things wrong with the ending then the Normandy scene anyway.

You're ignorance regarding the story and events throughout the series does not constitute a mistaken on Bioware's part.

I don't agree with any "IFF cloak" myself, but just saying.

[BurningArmor]

torabashiri wrote...

From the other side of the coin, I was curious why the Normandy never fired at Harbinger. Perhaps a little distraction might have helped those on the ground.

Hmmm...Dare I say it?

Yes.

We can only speculate on this point. 

We have no idea what operational orders Joker was working under, and really do not know what Normandy was doing when called by Shepard.

It did make sense that during approach and departure from London that Normandy would not want to call attention to itself.  Remember that the Reaper Soverign destroyed at least eight Alliance Cruisers and a large number of Turian Cruisers at the Battle of the Citadel before Soverign was destroyed (ME1).  Not to mention the dreadnaughts destroyed in ME3. Harbinger was not likely to be a push over even with the thanix cannons aboard Normandy.

Modifié par BurningArmor, 01 octobre 2012 - 08:51 .

[liggy002]

torabashiri wrote...

From the other side of the coin, I was curious why the Normandy never fired at Harbinger. Perhaps a little distraction might have helped those on the ground.

If the Normandy had provoked Harbinger, he would have blown the Normandy to hell.

[Peranor]

The Twilight God wrote...

anorling wrote...

Yes I have dismissed it.
The Reaper IFF explanation is just ridiculous. Apologetic even.

Bioware made a misstake with the Normandy scene in the EC. It happens. People make misstakes. But trying to come up with home-made reasons for Harby not to fire on Normandy will not work. Because there is no reason to be found in the game, Bioware forgot to add it. As I said, misstakes happen.  
And in my opinion there are far worse things wrong with the ending then the Normandy scene anyway.

You're ignorance regarding the story and events throughout the series does not constitute a mistaken on Bioware's part.

I don't agree with any "IFF cloak" myself, but just saying.

Aw come on now. The whole Normandy evacuation scene was added in a hurry to try and make sense of the "teleporting crew members" as people called it. In that hurry Bioware just forgot to come up with a sensible reason for Harby not to open fire on the Normandy. But as I said, it's ok. That scene wasn't even supposed to be there in the first place. So it's no wonder they missed some details.
It has nothing to do with ignorance on my part.
People can of course speculate and try to come up with their own logical reason for Harby not to fire. But in the end thats just "headcanon". If people are looking for writers intent there is none to be found.

Modifié par anorling, 01 octobre 2012 - 10:45 .

[XqctaX]

Eterna5 wrote...

tivesz wrote...

The only problem here, that Harbinger does have 6 big-ass eyes...there's no way he doesn't see the normandy floating around in the middle of the battlefield.

Are you sure they're eyes? They could simply be lights or sensors. Do you have any source at all that claims that Reapers have eyes like Organics do. 

from a logical standpoint. why would a reaper need lights if  they cant see?

answer is: they would'nt need em and would not have them either.

[XxDarkTimexX]

Icinix wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

DOES IT REALLY MATTER???

people were ticked off their crewmates died....or disappeared and got back on the Normandy. The new scene fixes the beef...by explaining how they got back on the ship. It answered the question "so if everyone running to the beam got killed...did my team? and if they did...what are they doing on the garden planet when they are supposed to be dead?"

if we are gonna start knitpicking...WHY COME SAREN AND?OR SOVEREIGN DIDNT JUST BLAST SHEPARD back in the start of ME1??? HUH....?

Both Saren and Sovereign did try.

sort of

[Baihu1983]

Just very poor writing.

[Zso_Zso]

Does this invalidate IT ?

[Jadebaby]

Are you really just figuring this out now? Think how many people spammed "Reaper IFF" to every plot hole after the EC came out...

[The Twilight God]

anorling wrote...

People can of course speculate and try to come up with their own logical reason for Harby not to fire. But in the end thats just "headcanon". If people are looking for writers intent there is none to be found.

You can't think of a single rational for the concept that Harbinger wants Shepard alive?

If your train of thought is that you must be hand feed every detail and shouldn't be required to recall past events to decipher the context of present situations or that all events must be self-contained and not foreshadowed I'm not going to argue with you as you clearly want to believe what you want to believe. 

[Maxster_]

BurningArmor wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

BurningArmor wrote...

To my way of thinking, Harbinger was dealing with alot of stuff coming his way. Current day sensors / radars have a maximum number of targets that can be tracked at one time. If Reapers do not see as Humanoid organics do, Normandy's use of the Reaper IFF (ID-Friend or Foe) codes, could have made Normandy a low priority as a contact. Confirmed threats would be processed before Normandy which did not actively attack Harbinger.

Yeah, that's why any sane commanding officer(=Hackett) just would've ordered Normandy to unload team of specialists right before the beam, instead of retarded ground assault.

I think it was Admiral Anderson that was actually in charge of the London Fun Run while Admiral Hackett was using Sword Fleet to protect the Crucible.  Hackett also sent ships to keep Reapers from fortifying Harbinger's position.  Shepard was the guy crazy enough to call Normandy into a very hot landing zone.  I thought about the idea that the ground assault might not have been needed, but there still had to be something or some one to keep Harbinger busy.  I also agree that it was too bad the Normandy did not have an extra boarding party to drop off at the curb next to Marauder Shield's hiding place.


   

Harbringer descended near the beam because of that retarded ground assault. If Hackett and Anderson haven't suffered Massive Retardation Syndrome, they just used frigate packs to bring ground forces directly in front of the beam.
As for Shepard call for evacuation - it is retarded, and ooc for Shepard, Joker, and entire squad.

[Maxster_]

N7 Shadow 90 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

N7 Shadow 90 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

N7 Shadow 90 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

N7 Shadow 90 wrote...

You said that you like that scene, and people who saying that this scene is a plothole annoys you. There is no argument in that.
Also, it is clearly you don't want to give any arguments, because you do not have a valid ones. Also read thread name - you really believe, that the reason for Harbringer not to shoot down the Normandy, is that you like that scene?

I gave two reasons.

Nah, you didn't. You just stated that those reasons are irrelevant to you. Also, you didn't read the thread.
So tell me, why exactly you came to this thread?

1. I never said that those resons were irrelevent.
2. I did read the thread.
3.  I came here to express my feelings. Just like you. (And in a more civil way.)

Also, tell me why you are on the ME3 forums. Aren't forums supposed to be for fans? Everything you have said has been negative.

1. You did, when you offered 2 diametral opposite reasons, and stated that it is a brilliant scene, and everyone should appreciate that.
That clearly shows, that reason is irrelevant to you.

2. So why exactly you are repeating those retarded "reasons"?
If reaper iff is working that way, that reapers can't see Normandy at point blank range - 1) reapers are completely retarted, having no sensors, and easily fooled. 2) Entire priority:earth is completely unneeded, because you just need to go right to the beam on Normandy, and unload entire squad, and support troops there 3) Whoever came up with that mission(I presume that was Hackett), is completely retarded, and couldn't even promoted to a rank higher than lieutenant.

If Harbringer is just not destroyed the Normandy, it makes him completely retarded, because exploded normandy would be much more effective, than shooting individual soldiers. Also, priority:earth is still completely unneeded.

3. Yeah, that why you said that people that thinks not like you, annoys you. And offered nothing related to the topic.

4. Of course, i'm here just to annoy you. And also, the existance of people that eat everything they served, without questions or doubts, annoys me. Especially when sci-fi is on the menu.
Being serious, i like ME universe, and ME1 especially. And i despise that standalone pseudo-rpg shooter with auto-dialogue that called "ME3".
As for you assumption, that forums should be only for yes-man - that was actually funny, thanks
Also, look that those yes-man helped SWTOR, that should give you some clues

1. If I thought this was an actual plot hole then i would not like the scene as much, and I never said that 'everyone' should appreciate it. I simply said that it's a shame that hardly anybody appreciates it, because, in my opinion it is an awesome scene.
2. What's to say the Normandy wouldn't of got shot down by Reaper troops? And you really think they are going to fit enough support troops in the Normandy?
3. I said that it annoys me when people say this is a plot hole, because it is not one. I am talking about Harby not shooting down the Normandy specificly. I think that it's clear that Harby was trying to stop people getting to the beam. Why would he bother to shoot the Normandy and let people get to the beam?
4. As I have said I would not like the scene as much if I genuinely considered it a plot hole. And the fact that you like ME1 doesn't tell me why you are on the ME3 forums. If you don't like ME3 then fair enough, but is there honestly not anything better for you to do than spending your time on the forums of game you don't like complaining?

1. Plot holes are plot holes, they are objective. Your opinion are not. If you like to cover your eyes, or just don't know anything about ME lore - that is your decision, that have nothing to do with objectiveness.
I'm saying that this entire scene, is completely retarded, as entire priority:earth is completely unneeded, thus making commanding officers of the allied fleets complete idiots. If you did read the thread, why you didn't objecting real points, and just repeating same points, that already proved as false.

2. Yeah, military frigate grade shields penetrated by hand weapons, sure thing. That is why airplanes easily shut down by AK from 5 km, and tanks stopped by 9mm pistols.
As for enough support troops - sure, it would be like 50 more than in existing ending, encluding extraordinary specialists like Shepard(unwounded), Garrus, Vega, and Tali.

3. I like how you completely ignored explosion of Normandy, that would simultaneously destroy a lot more than single soldier by shot, also completely stopping entire retarded advance.
It is a plothole, and a glaring one. You just choose to ignore it.

4. Don't tell me what i should do with my time. If you are so annoyed - just deal with it.
I'm getting fun from my purchase, just the other way.

1. It is not a plot hole. As I have said why couldn't Harby of just been covering the beam? Why is that so hard to believe? If he shot the Normandy, then yes a lot of troops could have died, but some other troops could have got to the beam while Harby was distracted. How has this been proven false?
2. I was thinking more along the lines of a few Harvesters. And if the Normandy was shot down by one, then chances are that everybody on board would die. Including all the troops.
3. Yes it would, but, as I have said, it would have left the beam open for troops to get through.
4. You actually find it fun to spend your time complaining on a forum? 

1. It is a glaring plothole. It makes Harbringer a complete retard, especially considering his personality which we know from ME2.
This scene just maked up by EAWare, to cover teleported squadmates.

2. So, you are making things up?
If iff fools reapers in a point blank range(which makes them less advanced and more stupid than collectors(which are reaper pawns)) - then Harvester will not notice the Normandy, because they are not even sentient(meaning they are dumber than the reapers).
If iff is not working that way, any sane commanding officer would just use frigate packs(you know, allied fleet have a LOT of those, and they are fast).

3. Lol what? The large explosions that obliterate most of the running troops just make the beam open for troops to get through? You're implying that Harbringer would obliterate himself with the Normandy, or just don't understand what are you saying?

4. And should you care?

[Maxster_]

Eterna5 wrote...

anorling wrote...



Ah yes, the "Reaper IFF". I have dismissed that claim.

No you haven't. Contribute something useful to the discussion or leave. 

Like you by saying that without unneeded retarded earth:priority mission, ME3 would be boring?

[Maxster_]

anorling wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

anorling wrote...



Ah yes, the "Reaper IFF". I have dismissed that claim.

No you haven't. Contribute something useful to the discussion or leave. 

Yes I have dismissed it.
The Reaper IFF explanation is just ridiculous. Apologetic even.

Bioware made a misstake with the Normandy scene in the EC. It happens. People make misstakes. But trying to come up with home-made reasons for Harby not to fire on Normandy will not work. Because there is no reason to be found in the game, Bioware forgot to add it. As I said, misstakes happen.  
And in my opinion there are far worse things wrong with the ending then the Normandy scene anyway.

Yeah, everything after Shepard been hit by Harbringer beam, is on a whole another level of retardation. Starting with instant death of Shepard.

[knightnblu]

I thought that Harbinger was feeling magnanimous that day and decided to cut Shepard some slack at the beam. The Normandy was on a mission of mercy after all and Harby isn't such a bad guy for a killer.

[jstme]

There is no explanation to this hilariously stupid scene.
If reapers cannot see Normandy - there is no reason for entire priority earth. Drop people from the ship right next to beam.
If Harbinger is shooting only at dangerous targets that are approaching the beam - there is nothing more dangerous then an extremely fast military starfaring vessel with impressive combat record, capable of enormous speed, traveling in the general direction of the above mentioned beam.
Harbinger shoots much much much much much much much much much slower helicopters that are farther from the beam then the medevac scene - mind you.
It is another ME3 non-videogamey artistic HerpDerp.
Not to mention the whole stupid concept behind the issue of medevac of just 2 people from a field of carnage that is littered with scored of dead and wounded.

[Maxster_]

jstme wrote...

There is no explanation to this hilariously stupid scene.
If reapers cannot see Normandy - there is no reason for entire priority earth. Drop people from the ship right next to beam.
If Harbinger is shooting only at dangerous targets that are approaching the beam - there is nothing more dangerous then an extremely fast military starfaring vessel with impressive combat record, capable of enormous speed, traveling in the general direction of the above mentioned beam.
Harbinger shoots much much much much much much much much much slower helicopters that are farther from the beam then the medevac scene - mind you.
It is another ME3 non-videogamey artistic HerpDerp.
Not to mention the whole stupid concept behind the issue of medevac of just 2 people from a field of carnage that is littered with scored of dead and wounded.

Priority:earth is completely unneeded and retarded in any scenario. That whole mission is a result of Massive Retardation Syndrome, which got every character before or in ME3.

If Harbinger is shooting only at dangerous targets that are approaching
the beam - there is nothing more dangerous then an extremely fast
military starfaring vessel with impressive combat record, capable of
enormous speed, traveling in the general direction of the above
mentioned beam.

Also funny that Harbringer deliberately massively lowers power of his guns, to hunt those soldiers.
While he could only just one-shot entire retarded offensive by firing his main gun.

[jstme]

Maxster_ wrote...


Also funny that Harbringer deliberately massively lowers power of his guns, to hunt those soldiers.
While he could only just one-shot entire retarded offensive by firing his main gun.

Ha, never thought about that. Funny indeed.
Actually, i like ME3 humor aspect. Squad jokes, Conrad Verner involvment , Joker and ctr. Better then ME1 and ME2 in that aspect in my opinion. 
Changing large parts of main plot into complete joke though is too much.

Modifié par jstme, 01 octobre 2012 - 03:30 .

[Maxster_]

jstme wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...


Also funny that Harbringer deliberately massively lowers power of his guns, to hunt those soldiers.
While he could only just one-shot entire retarded offensive by firing his main gun.

Ha, never thought about that. Funny indeed.
Actually, i like ME3 humor aspect. Squad jokes, Conrad Verner involvment , Joker and ctr. Better then ME1 and ME2 in that aspect in my opinion. 
Changing large parts of main plot into complete joke though is too much.

Yeah, Garrus and Joker telling anecdotes was fun indeed. And some other things, mainly centered around squad on Normandy.
Problem is, entire plot of ME3 is a complete nonsense, retarded, and every character involved immediately loses like 100 iq. Started with Shepard in intro, and also Earth Alliance admirals(in intro).

[macrocarl]

There's the whole part about the Reapers being assigned jobs by Starkid too. Harby's job in ME2 was to collect enough human DNA. So since Shep was trying to thwart Harby's plan, Harby attacked. In ME3 at the end there Harby is told by Starkid to play laser beam elevator goalie. So he sat there and zapped anyone coming at the beam. The Normandy was decidedly leaving. Since it's explained that Starkid says when to get mad at lifeforms (the whole convo about fire and war at the end) Harby stuck to the beam goalie job.

[Maxster_]

macrocarl wrote...

There's the whole part about the Reapers being assigned jobs by Starkid too. Harby's job in ME2 was to collect enough human DNA. So since Shep was trying to thwart Harby's plan, Harby attacked. In ME3 at the end there Harby is told by Starkid to play laser beam elevator goalie. So he sat there and zapped anyone coming at the beam. The Normandy was decidedly leaving. Since it's explained that Starkid says when to get mad at lifeforms (the whole convo about fire and war at the end) Harby stuck to the beam goalie job.

Starchild played arcade game using Harbringer as protagonist. Power of Harbringer guns was deliberately lowered, and main gun was offline, to make this game more fun(who would play a game with instant win button?).

[Han Shot First]

Maxster_ wrote...

[Here we go again.
Explosion of the Normandy would've ended that retarded offence in swift and deadly way. A lot more effective than shooting individual soldiers.

No, it wouldn't.

The destruction of the Normandy SR1 was no where near that dramatic. Destroying the SR2 would have killed everyone aboard and a few Marines in the immediate vicinity, but it would not have even come close to annihilating the entire ground force.

The Normandy during the evac scene is simply not important from a military point of view. It doesn't pose a threat to Harbinger, it isn't directly involved in the attack, and it is in the rear evacuating wounded. The priorities were the dismounted infantry, tanks, and gunships that actually did pose a threat to Harbinger and who were closing rapidly on the beam. Harbinger stuck to his priority targets, like the disciplined professional that he is.