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[Verit]

Eterna5 wrote...
So? If this explains an oversight by Bioware who cares if they planned it or not.

I care. At least I cared.

Apollo47Delta wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

I think it was because Harbingers main priority was to stop all the other poor bastards from making it to the beam....

^THIS

What would it matter if anyone got through the beam?

Modifié par -Draikin-, 29 septembre 2012 - 10:49 .

[Mcfly616]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Apollo47Delta wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

I think it was because Harbingers main priority was to stop all the other poor bastards from making it to the beam....

^THIS

Yup, 'cause it's not like blowing up the Normandy would cause a hugeass explosion which would kill most of the people trying to make it the beam or anything.

well, I'm not going to speculate on how big of an explosion the Normandy would make or how many people it would kill on the ground. But I'm thinking, while Harbinger probably could have blown up the Normandy and got most of the other people on the ground, he was still prioritizing....why even chance it? Why risk letting even one person through? I don't think Harbinger was going to risk it. The Normandy is as harmless as a fly, up against him. Nothing to worry about. Those troops charging the beam on the other hand, HUUUGE threat.

[Mcfly616]

-Draikin- wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
So? If this explains an oversight by Bioware who cares if they planned it or not.

I care. At least I cared.

Apollo47Delta wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

I think it was because Harbingers main priority was to stop all the other poor bastards from making it to the beam....

^THIS

What would it matter if anyone got through the beam?

Did you even play the game?

We need to get to the Citadel in order to dock the Crucible. The beam leads to the Citadel. Making it the only possible way to get on the station, considering the arms are closed and the Reapers have consolidated power around it and will protect it at all costs. It's the only way to defeat them.

What did you think they were defending it for?

Modifié par Mcfly616, 29 septembre 2012 - 11:06 .

[Davik Kang]

Eterna5 wrote...

 Recently I've been playing through ME3 again and I noticed something interesting EDI said.  I can't remember the quote off by heart, but she says something along the lines of "I am adjusting the Reaper IFF to have the Normandy appear as Reaper Code on scanners.

Could this explain why The Normandy isn't targeted in the Swoard battle over Earth and when landing during the beam run? As far as I'm aware Reapers don't have eyes, it is logical they use scanners to see. So peerhaps Harbinger didn't shoot down the Normandy during the beam run because it appeared as Reaper tech on it's scanners.

Just throwing it out there, I could be completely wrong. 

This is a pretty good idea.  I don't think it matters if Herbinger has eyes or not, because if it recognises the Normandy as an ally, it won't shoot.

However...

K2LU533 wrote...

Your theory is wrong, the IFF doesn't stop Reapers chasing Normandy on the galaxy map.

Mezantine wrote...
Well the reapers always chase you around the galaxy map when you are scanning for resources so i don't think the IFF would have harby fooled.

This point is really good.  So unfortunately your idea probably doesn't explain it.

On a side note, for those of you talking about the beam run: do we know if the Reapers know that the plan is to activate the Crucible?  Rather than just re-take the Citadel?  Do they definitely know what the Crucible is?

I know the StarKid claims that they do, but a lot of what he says is open to interpretation, speculation and suspicion.  Not relevant to the original post, but still, I was wondering if anyone knows this.

[shodiswe]

Warden130 wrote...

tivesz wrote...

The only problem here, that Harbinger does have 6 big-ass eyes...there's no way he doesn't see the normandy floating around in the middle of the battlefield.

For all we know those could just be lights. Reapers may not see how you and I see.

Despite that, I don't actually think the IFF was the reason why Harbinger was didn't shoot at the Normandy. When the Normandy was doing it's evac, there were still plenty of other Makos and Soldiers legging it towards the beam. I think that Harbinger was being kept busy protecting the beam from everyone else and didn't really care what the Normandy was doing.

I think this is the best answer in this thread.

Also if EDI did distort the IFF it might have made the Normandy even less noticable seeing as Harby was already busy gunning ants and rats down.. That was high priority, the Normandy was not high priority. There for a masked and harder to notice Normandy would be very much ignored.

[Mcfly616]

Davik Kang wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

 Recently I've been playing through ME3 again and I noticed something interesting EDI said.  I can't remember the quote off by heart, but she says something along the lines of "I am adjusting the Reaper IFF to have the Normandy appear as Reaper Code on scanners.

Could this explain why The Normandy isn't targeted in the Swoard battle over Earth and when landing during the beam run? As far as I'm aware Reapers don't have eyes, it is logical they use scanners to see. So peerhaps Harbinger didn't shoot down the Normandy during the beam run because it appeared as Reaper tech on it's scanners.

Just throwing it out there, I could be completely wrong. 

This is a pretty good idea.  I don't think it matters if Herbinger has eyes or not, because if it recognises the Normandy as an ally, it won't shoot.

However...

K2LU533 wrote...

Your theory is wrong, the IFF doesn't stop Reapers chasing Normandy on the galaxy map.

Mezantine wrote...
Well the reapers always chase you around the galaxy map when you are scanning for resources so i don't think the IFF would have harby fooled.

This point is really good.  So unfortunately your idea probably doesn't explain it.

On a side note, for those of you talking about the beam run: do we know if the Reapers know that the plan is to activate the Crucible?  Rather than just re-take the Citadel?  Do they definitely know what the Crucible is?

I know the StarKid claims that they do, but a lot of what he says is open to interpretation, speculation and suspicion.  Not relevant to the original post, but still, I was wondering if anyone knows this.

Its literally said in the game by the Prothean VI, that TIM has went to the Citadel and informed the Reapers of your plans. And even if he didn't, I'm sure the Catalyst is still aware of what the Crucible is intended for......but I don't know if they would've been prepared and defending the Citadel had it not been for TIM

[KiwiQuiche]

Mcfly616 wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Apollo47Delta wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

I think it was because Harbingers main priority was to stop all the other poor bastards from making it to the beam....

^THIS

Yup, 'cause it's not like blowing up the Normandy would cause a hugeass explosion which would kill most of the people trying to make it the beam or anything.

well, I'm not going to speculate on how big of an explosion the Normandy would make or how many people it would kill on the ground. But I'm thinking, while Harbinger probably could have blown up the Normandy and got most of the other people on the ground, he was still prioritizing....why even chance it? Why risk letting even one person through? I don't think Harbinger was going to risk it. The Normandy is as harmless as a fly, up against him. Nothing to worry about. Those troops charging the beam on the other hand, HUUUGE threat.

Ah, remember the Alliance ship getting blown up by the Reaper at the intro? BOOM, big explosion, shock wave?

[Davik Kang]

Mcfly616 wrote...
Its literally said in the game by the Prothean VI, that TIM has went to the Citadel and informed the Reapers of your plans. And even if he didn't, I'm sure the Catalyst is still aware of what the Crucible is intended for......but I don't know if they would've been prepared and defending the Citadel had it not been for TIM

Ah ok thanks!  That's very interesting, I'll have a look into that.  Gotta check that out when I next playthrough.

[JBPBRC]

Mcfly616 wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Apollo47Delta wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

I think it was because Harbingers main priority was to stop all the other poor bastards from making it to the beam....

^THIS

Yup, 'cause it's not like blowing up the Normandy would cause a hugeass explosion which would kill most of the people trying to make it the beam or anything.

well, I'm not going to speculate on how big of an explosion the Normandy would make or how many people it would kill on the ground. But I'm thinking, while Harbinger probably could have blown up the Normandy and got most of the other people on the ground, he was still prioritizing....why even chance it? Why risk letting even one person through? I don't think Harbinger was going to risk it. The Normandy is as harmless as a fly, up against him. Nothing to worry about. Those troops charging the beam on the other hand, HUUUGE threat.

How so? Not only are the Three Husketeers and Marauder Shields camping out and waiting for anyone to get past, but The Illusive Man with his mind-control powers is there as well.

Oh hey, random Alliance soldier gets through. Oh wait, nevermind, TIM just made the poor guy take up his own pistol and kill himself. Threat neutralized.

Fact of the matter is, that whole scene makes no sense. Honestly its better to just uninstall the EC. Joker being a coward makes more sense than Harbinger just chillin' out.

Modifié par JBPBRC, 29 septembre 2012 - 11:58 .

[Humakt83]

There is only one reason Harbinger did not shot Normandy: He wanted Shepard alive.

[Verit]

Mcfly616 wrote.. Did you even play the game?

We need to get to the Citadel in order to dock the Crucible. The beam leads to the Citadel. Making it the only possible way to get on the station, considering the arms are closed and the Reapers have consolidated power around it and will protect it at all costs. It's the only way to defeat them.

What did you think they were defending it for?

I did play the game, unfortunately.  Yes, they were defending it since they didn't want us to hand over our secret weapon (the thing we built that turned out to be a giant battery) to them. However much sense that's supposed to make.

Also, and I know this may sound crazy, but they could have shut down the freaking beam if they were so scared that somebody might use it.

Sion1138 wrote...

When it's blatantly obvious that a writer didn't think things through in the least, you should go and try to rationalize their mistakes yourself.

Right? Is that what we're doing here?

That's indeed what's happening here.

Modifié par -Draikin-, 29 septembre 2012 - 12:17 .

[ioannisdenton]

As i saw the scene harbinger was shooting other people, his goal was to protect the beam not to destroy the normandy.

[Village_Idiot]

The scene is badly represented, but from a logical perspective, it does make sense.

Tactically, the Normandy is worthless at this point. It can't very well just crash into the Conduit, and I sincerely doubt it could do any significant damage to Harby (regardless, it isn't engaging him at this point anyway). Diverting firepower to take out the Normandy could have allowed Hammer to reach the conduit, and the Reapers clearly don't want this- why else would Harbinger be defending it?

[Xellith]

DarthKoza wrote...

Maybe Harbringer - wanted to shot people - who running through the device, not at Normandy...

Are you saying that a ship being destroyed wouldnt create a huge explosion and block the path - thus stopping people charging at the beam?

[Village_Idiot]

Xellith wrote...

DarthKoza wrote...

Maybe Harbringer - wanted to shot people - who running through the device, not at Normandy...

Are you saying that a ship being destroyed wouldnt create a huge explosion and block the path - thus stopping people charging at the beam?

True enough, but it's hardly guaranteed the Normandy's destruction would impede Hammer. It could crash anywhere. And as I've said, diverting firepower away from those at the fore of the charge makes no tactical sense in this situation.

Modifié par Shadrach 88, 29 septembre 2012 - 12:42 .

[Davik Kang]

Xellith wrote...

DarthKoza wrote...

Maybe Harbringer - wanted to shot people - who running through the device, not at Normandy...

Are you saying that a ship being destroyed wouldnt create a huge explosion and block the path - thus stopping people charging at the beam?

I think that the Normandy was called in after a succesful shot, and Shepard and companions are waiting for the Normandy to evacuate them, so a number of soldiers have advanced beyond them at that point.  So I think it makes sense that the Harbinger would prioritise the ground forces closest to the beam.

Not saying that this scene makes total sense, just that blowing up the Normandy isn't the priority at that moment, because the Harbinger has to protect the beam as other Reaper ground forces had been defeated.

[GreyLycanTrope]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Apollo47Delta wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

I think it was because Harbingers main priority was to stop all the other poor bastards from making it to the beam....

^THIS

Yup, 'cause it's not like blowing up the Normandy would cause a hugeass explosion which would kill most of the people trying to make it the beam or anything.

well, I'm not going to speculate on how big of an explosion the Normandy would make or how many people it would kill on the ground. But I'm thinking, while Harbinger probably could have blown up the Normandy and got most of the other people on the ground, he was still prioritizing....why even chance it? Why risk letting even one person through? I don't think Harbinger was going to risk it. The Normandy is as harmless as a fly, up against him. Nothing to worry about. Those troops charging the beam on the other hand, HUUUGE threat.

Ah, remember the Alliance ship getting blown up by the Reaper at the intro? BOOM, big explosion, shock wave?

Selective memory loss.

[tobiasks]

Saying the reason Harbringer didn't shoot at the Normandy because his goal is to kill the people trying to get to the beam is pretty flawed. First of all, Shepard and his team tried to get to the beam, then his companion gets injured, and suddenly Harbringer does not care about any of them anymore. Also if Harbringer's main goal was to protect people from getting to the beam he does an awful job at it. After Shepard gets injured, Harbringer just flies away and it is up to Marauder Shields and the three husketeers to protect the beam. I mean why not just send a few people to the beam now Harbringer left?

Modifié par tobiasks, 29 septembre 2012 - 06:01 .

[Zardoc]

Eterna5 wrote...

 Recently I've been playing through ME3 again and I noticed something interesting EDI said.  I can't remember the quote off by heart, but she says something along the lines of "I am adjusting the Reaper IFF to have the Normandy appear as Reaper Code on scanners.

Could this explain why The Normandy isn't targeted in the Swoard battle over Earth and when landing during the beam run? As far as I'm aware Reapers don't have eyes, it is logical they use scanners to see. So peerhaps Harbinger didn't shoot down the Normandy during the beam run because it appeared as Reaper tech on it's scanners.

Just throwing it out there, I could be completely wrong. 

So how come the Normandy still gets chased by Reapers when scanning? And Reapers have eyes. And even if Harbinger saw the Normandy as a Reaper (which he didn't), there were still countless enemy signatures aka soldiers, including Shepard and his squad, right in front of it. Face it, you can't explain it with logic.



Edit: And I can only laugh at the people trying to reason that Harby wasn't shooting at the Normandy because he was attacking the other soldiers. If you paid any attention, Harbinger wasn't doing squat the entire length of the scene. Not even fending of the other soldiers. And even if, he has atleast 2 beams, it's not like he couldn't use one to destroy the Normandy for a second.

Modifié par Zardoc, 29 septembre 2012 - 02:19 .

[Samtheman63]

IT

[DarkArchville]

It's because he was holding the Idiot Ball.

http://tvtropes.org/.../Main/IdiotBall

[Village_Idiot]

Zardoc wrote...

If you paid any attention, Harbinger wasn't doing squat the entire length of the scene. Not even fending of the other soldiers. 

I agree with you here. A few shots of Harbinger fending off the Hammer charge would have done wonders to the way this scene was represented. As such, it simply looks as though Harby sits and waits politely whilst Shepard evacuates his/her squad. What a gent.

[NM_Che56]

Reaper IFF makes sense but that aside, the Normandy was FLEEING. Harbinger's objective was to stop ADVANCEMENT. Hammer was still advancing. Common sense alone would dictate that Harbinger was focused on the objective.