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[Ticonderoga117]

IFF wouldn't work because Harby would be able to sense the Normandy (Radar, lidar, IR, what have you) and know that the Normandy not only doesn't look like a Reaper, but is WAY too small.

Stealth wouldn't work because the Normandy would be heated from re-entry and would be glowing on the IR.

Other people rushing the beam doesn't work because destroying the Normandy right on top of the ONLY path to the beam would stop the flow of troops. Plus! Plus the fact the Normandy is armed with a Thanix cannon that could quite possibly harm Harby as he's defending. Remember, Capital class Reapers' shields aren't as effective on the ground because they need the extra power to keep from collapsing. Also, if he truly was defending, he would've stayed on the ground even after everyone died.

From these conclusions, the beam run is stupid and not well thought out. There were easier ways to explain this type of thing and they didn't because... I have no idea.

[Xamufam]

when you scan planets the reapers attacks the normandy

[Sundance31us]

I'm just going to leave this here.

Mass Effect 3 EDI acts like a Reaper

[Eterna]

IFF wouldn't work because Harby would be able to sense the Normandy (Radar, lidar, IR, what have you) and know that the Normandy not only doesn't look like a Reaper, but is WAY too small.

Maybe, maybe not.

when you scan planets the reapers attacks the normandy

I've already offered an explanation for this.

Modifié par Eterna5, 29 septembre 2012 - 07:18 .

[Ticonderoga117]

Eterna5 wrote...
Maybe, maybe not.

What does that mean? The Reapers would have to have something like that to be able to do anything, never mind shoot Alliance Commanders. If anything, the sensors they have would be much better and more refined so they could easily tell the Normandy is NOT a Reaper. The IFF may work at range, but when you're staring at Harby right next door, you're dead.

[Eterna]

Sundance31us wrote...

I'm just going to leave this here.

Mass Effect 3 EDI acts like a Reaper

That's....kinda creepy EDI.

[RadicalDisconnect]

A Taliban insurgent might have an American radio and know all the protocols. But when he's standing in the open 10 feet in front of American soldiers, do you think that radio and protocols will disguise him in any way?

Modifié par RadicalDisconnect, 29 septembre 2012 - 07:29 .

[Ticonderoga117]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

A Taliban might have an American radio and know all the protocols. But when he's standing in the open 10 feet in front of American soldiers, do you think that radio and protocols will disguise him in any way?

Apparantly they do.

[RadicalDisconnect]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

A Taliban might have an American radio and know all the protocols. But when he's standing in the open 10 feet in front of American soldiers, do you think that radio and protocols will disguise him in any way?

Apparantly they do.

Bioware logic. 

[Eterna]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
Maybe, maybe not.

What does that mean? The Reapers would have to have something like that to be able to do anything, never mind shoot Alliance Commanders. If anything, the sensors they have would be much better and more refined so they could easily tell the Normandy is NOT a Reaper. The IFF may work at range, but when you're staring at Harby right next door, you're dead.

The IFF disguises the Normandy as a Reaper device. It's probably similar to how Reapers can tell the difference between a human nd a Husk. There scans reveal the reaper tech on their scanners. 

If reapers can't see, which seems likely, they rely on scanners to identify enemy vessels. And that scene where the Nirmandy is taking off at the beam and Harbinger appears to be "looking" at it could be him being confused and trying to identify it because something seems off. 

 Also, the guy above posted a video that affirms EDI was taking precautions to make the Normandy appear as a Reaper. 

[GreyLycanTrope]

Mcfly616 wrote...

hate to burst your bubble, but that Ship that gets blown up in Vancouver is many times larger than the Normandy. So much for that Shockwave theory

So what you're saying it that there will be no shockwave at all if a ship the size of the Normandy explodes when it is that close to the ground, good know.

[Eterna]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

A Taliban might have an American radio and know all the protocols. But when he's standing in the open 10 feet in front of American soldiers, do you think that radio and protocols will disguise him in any way?

If they where blind then yes. Can you prove Reapers have eyes? That they see like Humans do?

[Maxster_]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

A Taliban might have an American radio and know all the protocols. But when he's standing in the open 10 feet in front of American soldiers, do you think that radio and protocols will disguise him in any way?

Apparantly they do.

Bioware logic. 

That's an oxymoron.

[RadicalDisconnect]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

hate to burst your bubble, but that Ship that gets blown up in Vancouver is many times larger than the Normandy. So much for that Shockwave theory

So what you're saying it that there will be no shockwave at all if a ship the size of the Normandy explodes when it is that close to the ground, good know.

Here's a size comparison. No idea how strong the shockwave would be. I'm not sure if it would affect the Mako in any way though. Thanks to Nach77.

Modifié par RadicalDisconnect, 29 septembre 2012 - 07:31 .

[Maxster_]

Eterna5 wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

A Taliban might have an American radio and know all the protocols. But when he's standing in the open 10 feet in front of American soldiers, do you think that radio and protocols will disguise him in any way?

If they where blind then yes. Can you prove Reapers have eyes? That they see like Humans do?

Obviously you can prove otherwise. Because Harbringer didn't saw Normady before him.

[RiouHotaru]

Fawx9 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

The reason is simple. While the Normandy is holding steady, people are STILL trying to reach the beam. Watch the cutscene again. There's no reason for Harbinger to target the Normandy when there are still people trying to reach the beam.

The explosion would kill them...

Also Harby has no idea if they are picking people up or dopping off a hammer/mako squad. Theres no reason for him to risk NOT blowing it up and potential reinforcements.

Also the two guys shooting at nothing? Get your asses to the beam.

The whole scene was just to cover up unexplained teleportation. Because of that the scene itself feels out of place without ignoring major inconsistancies(No retreat, evacing edi doll, etc).

No it's not a cover-up.  Everyone here is thinking like a human would.  Harbinger is not human.  Therefore, applying human logic to the situation isn't applicible.  Just because YOU would do it, doesn't mean Harbinger would.

[RadicalDisconnect]

Eterna5 wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

A Taliban might have an American radio and know all the protocols. But when he's standing in the open 10 feet in front of American soldiers, do you think that radio and protocols will disguise him in any way?

If they where blind then yes. Can you prove Reapers have eyes? That they see like Humans do?

They don't have to be eyes. The Reapers need basic situational awareness of their surroundings. Considering that they traverse on land, I would imagine that they have sophisticated terrain-mapping sensors and can thus make out their surroundings much like humans can with their eyes or a bat with acoustics. At such close ranges, it doesn't make sense for Harbinger to not be able to identify the Normandy as hostile, considering that he can identify much smaller Makos and ground personnel.

Modifié par RadicalDisconnect, 29 septembre 2012 - 07:34 .

[RiouHotaru]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

A Taliban insurgent might have an American radio and know all the protocols. But when he's standing in the open 10 feet in front of American soldiers, do you think that radio and protocols will disguise him in any way?

Depends, are the American soldiers robots programmed to attack anything attempting to approach them?

[Ticonderoga117]

Eterna5 wrote...
The IFF disguises the Normandy as a Reaper device. It's probably similar to how Reapers can tell the difference between a human nd a Husk. There scans reveal the reaper tech on their scanners. 

If reapers can't see, which seems likely, they rely on scanners to identify enemy vessels. And that scene where the Nirmandy is taking off at the beam and Harbinger appears to be "looking" at it could be him being confused and trying to identify it because something seems off. 

 Also, the guy above posted a video that affirms EDI was taking precautions to make the Normandy appear as a Reaper. 

That's not how IFF works.

Most likely Reapers use both visual and electronic means of detection. Thus, while the IFF gives them a "This is a friendly" result, the sensors say otherwise and since sensors aren't reliant on a an external device to function, the sensors would have a higher priority of giving "correct" data.

The Normandy can't take the shape or signature of a Reaper. Only the IFF.

So yeah, as soon as the Normandy gets within spitting distance without the Stealth systems... she's toast.

[Eterna]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
The IFF disguises the Normandy as a Reaper device. It's probably similar to how Reapers can tell the difference between a human nd a Husk. There scans reveal the reaper tech on their scanners. 

If reapers can't see, which seems likely, they rely on scanners to identify enemy vessels. And that scene where the Nirmandy is taking off at the beam and Harbinger appears to be "looking" at it could be him being confused and trying to identify it because something seems off. 

 Also, the guy above posted a video that affirms EDI was taking precautions to make the Normandy appear as a Reaper. 

That's not how IFF works.

I know, hence why EDI said she was modifying it to disguise the Normandy as Reaper tech. 

[RadicalDisconnect]

Double post.

Modifié par RadicalDisconnect, 29 septembre 2012 - 07:44 .

[RadicalDisconnect]

Eterna5 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
The IFF disguises the Normandy as a Reaper device. It's probably similar to how Reapers can tell the difference between a human nd a Husk. There scans reveal the reaper tech on their scanners. 

If reapers can't see, which seems likely, they rely on scanners to identify enemy vessels. And that scene where the Nirmandy is taking off at the beam and Harbinger appears to be "looking" at it could be him being confused and trying to identify it because something seems off. 

 Also, the guy above posted a video that affirms EDI was taking precautions to make the Normandy appear as a Reaper. 

That's not how IFF works.

I know, hence why EDI said she was modifying it to disguise the Normandy as Reaper tech. 

I highly doubt that level of disguise is enough to fool Harbinger into thinking that a frigate that is not shaped like a Reaper hovering at point blank range is a Reaper.

Modifié par RadicalDisconnect, 29 septembre 2012 - 07:57 .

[Maxster_]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
The IFF disguises the Normandy as a Reaper device. It's probably similar to how Reapers can tell the difference between a human nd a Husk. There scans reveal the reaper tech on their scanners. 

If reapers can't see, which seems likely, they rely on scanners to identify enemy vessels. And that scene where the Nirmandy is taking off at the beam and Harbinger appears to be "looking" at it could be him being confused and trying to identify it because something seems off. 

 Also, the guy above posted a video that affirms EDI was taking precautions to make the Normandy appear as a Reaper. 

That's not how IFF works.

I know, hence why EDI said she was modifying it to disguise the Normandy as Reaper tech. 

I highly doubt that level of disguise is enough to fool Harbinger into thinking that a frigate shaped not like a Reaper hovering at point blank range is a Reaper.

If Normandy is undetectable by the Reapers, why then beam run is ever needed?

[RadicalDisconnect]

Maxster_ wrote...

If Normandy is undetectable by the Reapers, why then beam run is ever needed?

Eh, well I'll give it that the Normandy is probably way to large to be transported by the beam, especially if the destination is inside the Citadel.

[Andy the Black]

I just don't think Harby saw the Normandy as a priority target. He was there to stop things from getting to the beam and was pretty much doing that. There were still a butt load of Makos, Hammerheads, and ground troops doing beam runs. The SR2 was just there for evac. Harby was probably monitoring short range comms and new that the Normandy was not there to drop of fresh troops.

Why open fire on a target with little to no threat priority and risk somone getting to the beam?