DPSSOC wrote...
Warrior Craess wrote...
I really hadn't paid much attention to this conversation aside from my little part in it. But are people really advocating that mages be kept as second class citizens with out the basic freedoms that others have? That simple because they could do something that they are all inherently untrustworthy and should be kept in a prison?
Yet the ruler of a nation who wields much more temporal power than a mage, is not only allowed to do whatever, but his scions are also deemed worthy to rule (without question)? The Divine who as no checks or balance to her power, is simply chosen from the ranks of the Chantry with only the requirement that she maintain Chantry law? Or a Knight-Commander of the Templar's is chosen for her zealotry?
So you can be born into a position of power of others, you can be chosen for your religious knowledge to be in power over others, and you can be placed in command of others based on your zeal. But heaven forbid you be born with a power not limited by the above (which themselves have no limits)... I'm confused. So which power hungry madman/woman though up that system and convinced everyone it was a good idea.
Here's the fundamental flaw with your reasoning, and in fact with many people's reasoning who bring up this argument. The non-mages you bring up have influence and people at their command that they require to be dangerous. If nobody follows them they have no more power than anyone else. A mage has no such limitations. What a lord or a Knight Commander can do with soldiers a single mage can do by themself.
More over a mage can cause massive devastation by accident. Let's look at Shale for a moment. Now Wilhelm was tinkering in things he didn't fully understand, it went bad, and Shale killed him. Now what if everyone else hadn't been that lucky? Could anybody in Honleath have stopped her? Would anybody have survived if instead of killing Wilhelm and shutting down she'd just moved on to the next available target? Or the apprentice in the magi Origin who's trying to control a flame and it engulfs him? Imagine that happening in a place like Redcliffe where most everything's made of wood. Then there's the possibility of splitting the Veil, which Jowan points out Connor could have done by accident.
It's not just the belief that mages will always be evil if given freedom, it's that if they mess up it can get people killed. Best to keep such activities restricted to a location where there are an abundance of people who can deal with the situation on hand wouldn't you agree? We don't let people build explosives in their garages, not because we think they'll do something criminal with the explosives (well not just that) but because what they're doing puts everybody around them at risk.
A mage, by their mere existence, endangers everyone around them. It sucks but those are the breaks. So do we let the public face that risk with no means of protecting themselves from malicious or accidental magical harm, or do we keep a small portion of the population confined for their protection?
wow so much error in that.
Your one mage example only works if there is 1 mage, with nothing to counter him. Considering that there is an entire army of people dedicated to negating a mages power your argument is poinmtless. This also only assumes that mages (blood or otherwise) would all be interested in gaining power regardless of the cost. There are plenty of mages who would work to counter selfish, power hungry mages, such as Wynn, Anders, Irving etc... Yes I said anders, who really wanted nothing more than to be free, and it was his link to Justice that created the perfect storm that lead him to bomb the Chantry. Something that wouldn't have happened if mages were treated better.
It also fails to take into account the keepers. Who while very powerful, don't seem to be abusing their power, nor do they seem to be trying to subjugate other clans or humans... (getting even for crimes commited against them? yes and overly zealous in that at times.. but not typically.)
So again individual power or capability doesn't justify treating people as having less rights than others.
Next comes the flawed argument of accidental devastation. What about Dvorkin Glavonak? Seems to me that his explosive recipe would allow just about anyone to be devestating by accident. Whose to say that some human doesn't decide to follow up his idea's and provide a non magical means of countering the Qunari? Who also have this non magical means of destruction. As for the poor mage apprentice who might accidently set redcliff ablaze. I'll remind you that Chicago is called the second city becuase it burned to the ground, and there was no magic involved in that accident either. A missplaced torch, or an bad oil spill will create the same devastation to a wooden city as a poor magic who fails to control his campfire spell..
Again you blame a mages indiviual power for treating him worse than anyone else. Mages making mistakes are not the only way that lots of people can die by accident. I'll point out that a simple grass fire started by carelss children can and has devestated farming communities.. which leads to starvation in that community if not others. That a miscalculation by a navigator can run ships aground or worse...
People by they're very existance endanger others around them. How much danger they represent is based not on if they can cast a spell or not, but on their genetics and environmental development.
treating people who are individually more powerful than you, as a second class person, leads not to their control, but eventually to their rebellion. It's called a self fulfilling prophcey. The Chantry and Templars are prime examples of just how not to treat mages.
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That is just dumb....
