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[Lotion Soronarr]

Blood Magic is evil and every blood mage must be killed on sight.

[Sarah Knight]

Wotannanow wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

I was told blood magic wasn't evil or bad or whatever.

You've been listening to Merrill.
Magic is magic. It's what you do with the magic that matters.

Wotan  your completely Off base  Look at Guns  and the history  Many of them have violent Reputations because "we humans"   choose to fight and we also Choose our own paths   theirs nothing Wrong with what they stated  the Reality as  some one here stated is that  Weapons  people and other things that can be used as a weapon tables chairs sticks   knives Spoons forks nails etc  the list never ends of what can be used as a weapon  even  Grass and water could Kill if enough of of it was in our system  or even  "covering  our breathing" for that matter.

Blood Magic   and all Magic including bows arrows and guns  and other Material goods and what not  Solely Depends on the person who uses it  Some use it for good some use it for evil  deeds and doings some just  choose to not do anything with it in general  but yea....


at this Topic again i'm with allot of people on this where their shouldn't be any form of consequences  if it was a War game that Depicts real  events Such as Medal of  honor "only game that actually Listens to the fans in this Genra including military familes such as my self" adds consequences when their needed   we  can give insight to what game Devs put in the game and what to add but the choice is ultimately theirs  Alone   not ours because they spend countless hours and money into these games that they make from us  in reality it can swing both ways  but  not entirely so because they still could make money with Adverts and what not .

but its an okay Point tho regardless   but the main thing as i said i want back was the ability to be either a dalish  elf again or a reg elf  or even a dwarf  for that matter  the blight  surely didn't kill em all off  Despite what we seen in comics and the actual game itself... aside from that its the only thing i want them to bring back and maybe add  armor and weapon customizations like they did  in DA awakening   and DA2  with your allies but make it so that you can make the improvements yourself instead of spending outragous pricing >_<

especially making money  isn't going to be easy  but the other thing i want them to add is  New game +   where we could use our character  and our stats and W/e  else we have  in  the new game   either from  an import or What not...  but yea thats what i was  morely  thinking upon any way Sorry for long  Text >_<

[Barbantious]

Cultist wrote...

Summoning undead is Entropy School.

ok, ok, just demons then. 

[Dave of Canada]

I thought it was firmly established raising undead = blood magic, as it requires blood magic to draw demons into the corpses (or they connect to them themselves)

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 01 octobre 2012 - 08:36 .

[Barbantious]

Dave of Canada wrote...

I thought it was firmly established raising undead = blood magic, as it requires blood magic to draw demons into the corpses (or they connect to them themselves)

Well he's 'technically' correct, raising undead is the entropic school, but pretty much the only people in the game that use this ability are blood mages. 

[Cultist]

Rising Undead is Entropy School of common magic and have nothing to do with Blood Magic.The different walking dead is a corpses possessed by hunger demons.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Blood mage, gameplay wise, is hardly "great" power.

[LobselVith8]

Cultist wrote...

Blood Magic should not be learned easily. While it's possible lore-wise to learn BM via books that approach is a faulty one. "Sacrifices and Blood Orgiesfor Dummies" were bad enough in DA:O. It is more surprising that they stood near full quests, like Desire Demon pact and others, like others teaching you specs under certain conditions. Too bad most of those conditions were affection level, and not quests.

But no matter how someone may use Blood Magic for good deeds people will treat himher like Chantry depicts Blood Mages - vile killers and rebels.

Given what the Chantry preaches about mages, I doubt an ordinary mage would get a better reception.

[Lotion Soronarr]

To all you blood-magic supporters..I have  simpel question.

Let's say - hypotheticly - that I was a mighty blood mage. I had power to drain your life force, summon demons and mind control you...

Would you trust me with that power?


What say you my mind-puppets  friends?

[Cultist]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
To all you blood-magic supporters..I have  simpel question.
Let's say - hypotheticly - that I was a mighty blood mage. I had power to drain your life force, summon demons and mind control you...
Would you trust me with that power?
What say you my mind-puppets  friends?

I say Tevinter build a huge empire and used Blood Magic to secure humanity's dominance over other races thanks to draining life force, mind control and summoning of demons. And even after suffering from chantry uprising still managed to fend off Exalted Marches and fought invaders with blackpowder technology to a standstill.

Modifié par Cultist, 01 octobre 2012 - 12:32 .

[Auintus]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

To all you blood-magic supporters..I have  simpel question.

Let's say - hypotheticly - that I was a mighty blood mage. I had power to drain your life force, summon demons and mind control you...

Would you trust me with that power?


What say you my mind-puppets  friends?

Just because you can, doesn't guarantee you will. If I have reason to believe you will, then no, I won't trust you, but that applies to any threat. Blood mages can be good, the good ones are just few and far between.

[Auintus]

Cultist wrote...

I say Tevinter build a huge empire and used Blood Magic to secure humanity's dominance over other races thanks to draining life force, mind control and summoning of demons. And even after suffering from chantry uprising still managed to fend off Exalted Marches and fought invaders with blackpowder technology to a standstill.

Not quite. Fenris points out that the Qunari only ever wanted Seheron, which they got. The current conflict is the occasional Imperial attempt to reclaim Seheron with little success.

[The Baconer]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

To all you blood-magic supporters..I have  simpel question.

Let's say - hypotheticly - that I was a mighty blood mage. I had power to drain your life force, summon demons and mind control you...

Would you trust me with that power?


What say you my mind-puppets  friends?

I don't have a lot of reasons to trust anyone with power in DA.

[KainD]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

To all you blood-magic supporters..I have  simpel question.

Let's say - hypotheticly - that I was a mighty blood mage. I had power to drain your life force, summon demons and mind control you...

Would you trust me with that power?


What say you my mind-puppets  friends?

It doesn't matter if you are a blood mage, what would matter to me would be what you stood for. If I don't have a problem with that, the fact that you are a blood mage or not is trivial. 

[Vit246]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

To all you blood-magic supporters..I have  simpel question.

Let's say - hypotheticly - that I was a mighty blood mage. I had power to drain your life force, summon demons and mind control you...

Would you trust me with that power?


What say you my mind-puppets  friends?

Is that really any worse than having power to summon a firestorm, freeze you to death, lightning, summon the undead, and conventional paralysis abd such and such?

Blood magic is not infallible. It can be beaten. We have the Litany of Adralla, demons can be killed, and mind control can apparently be beaten by a mentally strong-willed mundane like Hawke.

[Arokel]

Darth Death wrote...

Wotannanow wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

I was told blood magic wasn't evil or bad or whatever.

You've been listening to Merrill.
Magic is magic. It's what you do with the magic that matters.

Exactly, so being a blood mage shouldn't evoke higher consequences than just existing as a mage.

It doesn't matter what you think.  It matters what those around you think.  Thanks to the Chantry the opinion of the majority of people in Thedas is that blood magic is evil.  The people should act on those beliefs.

[DKJaigen]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

sunnydxmen wrote...

The corruption of blood magic is a slow porcess. the more use it the more corrupt and more likely to go insane an be evil you become, so merrill could still turn evil if she keep using it.

I see Blood Magic as being in the same vein as Necromancy from WOW an inherently dark power that while it can be used for good it will ultimately corrupt the user.

You can see al you wan but your simply not correct.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Cultist wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
To all you blood-magic supporters..I have  simpel question.
Let's say - hypotheticly - that I was a mighty blood mage. I had power to drain your life force, summon demons and mind control you...
Would you trust me with that power?
What say you my mind-puppets  friends?

I say Tevinter build a huge empire and used Blood Magic to secure humanity's dominance over other races thanks to draining life force, mind control and summoning of demons. And even after suffering from chantry uprising still managed to fend off Exalted Marches and fought invaders with blackpowder technology to a standstill.

That doesn't asnwer my question.

It is simple.
I am a blood mage. You are a normal human.
Do you trust me not to abuse my power?

[Lotion Soronarr]

Auintus wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

To all you blood-magic supporters..I have  simpel question.

Let's say - hypotheticly - that I was a mighty blood mage. I had power to drain your life force, summon demons and mind control you...

Would you trust me with that power?


What say you my mind-puppets  friends?

Just because you can, doesn't guarantee you will. If I have reason to believe you will, then no, I won't trust you, but that applies to any threat. Blood mages can be good, the good ones are just few and far between.

That's exactly what I wanted you to think...mind slave.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Vit246 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

To all you blood-magic supporters..I have  simpel question.

Let's say - hypotheticly - that I was a mighty blood mage. I had power to drain your life force, summon demons and mind control you...

Would you trust me with that power?


What say you my mind-puppets  friends?

Is that really any worse than having power to summon a firestorm, freeze you to death, lightning, summon the undead, and conventional paralysis abd such and such?

Yes. It is infinitely more abusable.

From the most petty and trivial things to the most important matters - mind control changes everything.
That cashier short-changed you? Make her give you twice the amount back!
The girl left you? No she didn't.

[Xilizhra]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Cultist wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
To all you blood-magic supporters..I have  simpel question.
Let's say - hypotheticly - that I was a mighty blood mage. I had power to drain your life force, summon demons and mind control you...
Would you trust me with that power?
What say you my mind-puppets  friends?

I say Tevinter build a huge empire and used Blood Magic to secure humanity's dominance over other races thanks to draining life force, mind control and summoning of demons. And even after suffering from chantry uprising still managed to fend off Exalted Marches and fought invaders with blackpowder technology to a standstill.

That doesn't asnwer my question.

It is simple.
I am a blood mage. You are a normal human.
Do you trust me not to abuse my power?

To remain logically consistent, you'd commit suicide, so either you're a hypocrite or I'm not worried. If the former... well, I wouldn't want you to have guns, either, but I can stand that being legal. There will be others with better weaponry in both cases to bring you down should you get too antsy.

[DKJaigen]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

To all you blood-magic supporters..I have  simpel question.

Let's say - hypotheticly - that I was a mighty blood mage. I had power to drain your life force, summon demons and mind control you...

Would you trust me with that power?


What say you my mind-puppets  friends?

[evilmage mode]
 Well if you object so much to bloodmagic then i will just destroy you and the entire city you live in by using fire magic. a workable compromise is it not?

[/evilmage mode]

[DKJaigen]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Cultist wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
To all you blood-magic supporters..I have  simpel question.
Let's say - hypotheticly - that I was a mighty blood mage. I had power to drain your life force, summon demons and mind control you...
Would you trust me with that power?
What say you my mind-puppets  friends?

I say Tevinter build a huge empire and used Blood Magic to secure humanity's dominance over other races thanks to draining life force, mind control and summoning of demons. And even after suffering from chantry uprising still managed to fend off Exalted Marches and fought invaders with blackpowder technology to a standstill.

That doesn't asnwer my question.

It is simple.
I am a blood mage. You are a normal human.
Do you trust me not to abuse my power?

My friend their are thousands of people in charge of YOU. and if they want to absue their own power they can make your live a living hell if they want to. Intensions is all that matters

[Lotion Soronarr]

KainD wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Let's say - hypotheticly - that I was a mighty blood mage. I had power to drain your life force, summon demons and mind control you...

Would you trust me with that power?

It doesn't matter if you are a blood mage, what would matter to me would be what you stood for. If I don't have a problem with that, the fact that you are a blood mage or not is trivial. 

You would believe I stand for whatever I make you believe I stand for.


Don't you get it?
If you trust a blood mage, you can never know if that's on your own volition or if he subtly made you trust him.
The very concept of mind control excludes trust.
Characters like Prof X from X-Men are a fairy tale.

Mind-control can be used any time, everywhere, for pretty much anything. Just go on trough your normal day and count for just how many things you could use mind control.

The temptation to use it would be immense. The tempation would be verywhere..all the time.
And only a fool belives he can resit temptation forever.

If one belives he can use such power without ever becoming corrupted by it - that's the LAST person who should get it.


A Blood Mage cannot be trusted. Ever. No exceptions.