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[TEWR]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

I could have sworn Oghren said they didn't do that either.

I think there was a dev quote from long ago that said the Dwarven way of dreaming is just the normal way. Plus, Oghren had a normal dream -- well... normal in the sense of how we dream, but not normal regarding what it was about -- in Awakening.

[BlueMagitek]

LobselVith8 wrote...

It might have more to do with blood magic giving a mage a powerful edge over ordinary magic, as well as being tied to the physical and being immune to the abilities of a templar.

I'm well aware of what makes Blood Magic so powerful.  But if you really wanted to heal other people, and you were willing to consort with a spirit of sorts (demon or otherwise), why not become a Spirit Healer instead?

[LobselVith8]

BlueMagitek wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

It might have more to do with blood magic giving a mage a powerful edge over ordinary magic, as well as being tied to the physical and being immune to the abilities of a templar.

I'm well aware of what makes Blood Magic so powerful.  But if you really wanted to heal other people, and you were willing to consort with a spirit of sorts (demon or otherwise), why not become a Spirit Healer instead?

I don't have to consort with spirits to become a blood mage. And I would be vulnerable to templars without blood magic. I'm sure some mages would become Spirit Healers; I'd prefer to keep my freedom, above all else.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

BlueMagitek wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

It might have more to do with blood magic giving a mage a powerful edge over ordinary magic, as well as being tied to the physical and being immune to the abilities of a templar.

I'm well aware of what makes Blood Magic so powerful.  But if you really wanted to heal other people, and you were willing to consort with a spirit of sorts (demon or otherwise), why not become a Spirit Healer instead?

You also wanted to do other things? Blow things up? Roast some darkspawn/bandits/templars? Shoot lightning at fools?

[BlueMagitek]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

You also wanted to do other things? Blow things up? Roast some darkspawn/bandits/templars? Shoot lightning at fools

I wasn't aware that Blood Mages were Sith. >___________>

In that case, why not just use a Poultice of sorts? 

LobselVith8 wrote...

I don't have to consort with spirits
to become a blood mage. And I would be vulnerable to templars without
blood magic. I'm sure some mages would become Spirit Healers; I'd prefer
to keep my freedom, above all else.

The vast majority of the time you do.  Unless there's a blood mage you can ask to teach you or some books.  The books being rather rare and Blood Mages being less than trustworthy.  You'd be vulnerable to Templars, yes, but at the same time you wouldn't be murdering thousands of slaves to create an ocean of blood. 

[Xilizhra]

The vast majority of the time you do. Unless there's a blood mage you can ask to teach you or some books. The books being rather rare and Blood Mages being less than trustworthy. You'd be vulnerable to Templars, yes, but at the same time you wouldn't be murdering thousands of slaves to create an ocean of blood.

To wipe out the templars, I'll take that risk.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Double post, decided to knock this one out since I already edited the other one.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 21 octobre 2012 - 03:14 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

You also wanted to do other things? Blow things up? Roast some darkspawn/bandits/templars? Shoot lightning at fools

I wasn't aware that Blood Mages were Sith. >___________>

In that case, why not just use a Poultice of sorts? 

Hey, any mage could theoretically do any of that! It's not the same as dark side abilities. The whole point of blood magic though is that it makes you better at everything! Theoretically, this could even include healing, though since it's demonized to this extent most healers don't bother. Those who don't really care that the Andrastians forbid it but are still good natured could use it, especially if they need more power to attack with as well. And since mages who don't really care what the Andrastians forbid are the most likely to need to take down templars...

LobselVith8 wrote...

I don't have to consort with spirits
to become a blood mage. And I would be vulnerable to templars without
blood magic. I'm sure some mages would become Spirit Healers; I'd prefer
to keep my freedom, above all else.

The vast majority of the time you do.  Unless there's a blood mage you can ask to teach you or some books.  The books being rather rare and Blood Mages being less than trustworthy.  You'd be vulnerable to Templars, yes, but at the same time you wouldn't be murdering thousands of slaves to create an ocean of blood. 

Hey, blood mages want apprentices same as everyone else! The system of apprenticeship was that a noob at whatever you do works under you in exchange for picking up the craft. Theoretically you could sabotage them in order to prevent them taking you down, but then they'd give you less high quality service. Additional note: at least one maleficar in DA2 is shown to have had a use for this arrangement.

And blood mages don't need an ocean of blood. Or slaves. Jowan just nicked his hand and took down a Knight-Commander.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 21 octobre 2012 - 03:15 .

[BlueMagitek]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Hey, any mage could theoretically do any of that! It's not the same as dark side abilities. The whole point of blood magic though is that it makes you better at everything! Theoretically, this could even include healing, though since it's demonized to this extent most healers don't bother. Those who don't really care that the Andrastians forbid it but are still good natured could use it, especially if they need more power to attack with as well. And since mages who don't really care what the Andrastians forbid are the most likely to need to take down templars...

Hey, blood mages want apprentices same as everyone else! The system of apprenticeship was that a noob at whatever you do works under you in exchange for picking up the job. And at least one maleficar in DA2 is shown to have had a use for that arrangement.

And blood mages don't need an ocean of blood. Or slaves. Jowan just nicked his hand and took down a Knight-Commander.

Well if you're taking Blood Mage for the sole purpose of killing people, that's pretty darksided.  >_>

Now, as for healing, I'm sure you could fuel healing with it.  But it doesn't seem to work well on yourself (there is a limitation on healing yourself, if I recall correctly, if you've activated a blood technique), and it doesn't open up the advanced healing abilities available to the Spirit Healer.   And what are you talking about?  Mages can be Andrastian.

You think that the PC of Inquisition is going to have time to be an apprentice while the world is burning around him? 

Jowan was also fueled by the power of being a scorned lover.  People keep forgetting that tidbit.

Xilizhra wrote...

To wipe out the templars, I'll take that risk.

Uh huh.  Because that system works so well in Tevinter?

[LobselVith8]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

To wipe out the templars, I'll take that risk.

Uh huh.  Because that system works so well in Tevinter? 

Tevinter has templars.

[BlueMagitek]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Tevinter has templars.

From my understanding, the Tevinter templar order is run by Magisters and most of the Templars lack anti magic capabilities.

[Xilizhra]

Uh huh. Because that system works so well in Tevinter?

I'm almost past the point of caring now. However, I will bring about a new system that does not require the Chantry's templars.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

BlueMagitek wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Tevinter has templars.

From my understanding, the Tevinter templar order is run by Magisters and most of the Templars lack anti magic capabilities.

Okay, I knew they had no teeth, but they don't even know anti-magic? I thought the Tevinters used them against abominations, how useful are they in that regard if they can't block magic?

[BlueMagitek]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Okay, I knew they had no teeth, but they don't even know anti-magic? I thought the Tevinters used them against abominations, how useful are they in that regard if they can't block magic?

http://social.biowar...ex/4546148&lf=8

Xilizhra wrote...

I'm
almost past the point of caring now. However, I will bring about a new
system that does not require the Chantry's templars.

Uh huh.  I'm sure that will work out well.

[Vandicus]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Tevinter has templars.

From my understanding, the Tevinter templar order is run by Magisters and most of the Templars lack anti magic capabilities.

Okay, I knew they had no teeth, but they don't even know anti-magic? I thought the Tevinters used them against abominations, how useful are they in that regard if they can't block magic?

Cannon fodder.

[Xilizhra]

Uh huh. I'm sure that will work out well.

Your cynicism has been noted and will be ground down.

[TEWR]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...


Okay, I knew they had no teeth, but they don't even know anti-magic? I thought the Tevinters used them against abominations, how useful are they in that regard if they can't block magic?

Little to no use at all, save for being cannon fodder.

David Gaider wrote...

Ah, but there is a Circle of Magi in Tevinter. And that means that mages are no more free to not be a part of it than they are elsewhere in Thedas. Yes, you have significantly more power and freedom, but you exchange being controlled by the Chantry for being controlled by... other mages.

There are indeed Imperial templars. Their primary role is to enforce magical law, and since they are part of the Chantry-- which is controlled by the Circle-- they are thus controlled by the mages. The majority of Imperial templars, however, lack the ability to counter magic. They are primarily soldiers.

So the problem with Tevinter stems mainly from the Templars not being their own autonomous force. Since the Mages control the Chantry and by extension the Circle, they control the Templars.

[BlueMagitek]

Xilizhra wrote...

Your cynicism has been noted and will be ground down.

Unlikely.  Blood Magic is powerful and dangerous.  Using it won't win you any friends.

[Xilizhra]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Your cynicism has been noted and will be ground down.

Unlikely.  Blood Magic is powerful and dangerous.  Using it won't win you any friends.

Of course it will. I'll win friends in the mage rebellion who'll benefit from my aid, and for those who can't accept it, they were ideologically unreliable to begin with, just like Sebastian. It'd be a nuisance for my party members to be disloyal, but an acceptable price to do what must be done.

[BlueMagitek]

Xilizhra wrote...

Of course it will. I'll win friends in the mage rebellion who'll benefit from my aid, and for those who can't accept it, they were ideologically unreliable to begin with, just like Sebastian. It'd be a nuisance for my party members to be disloyal, but an acceptable price to do what must be done.

Not every mage is going to accept that Blood Magic is a good thing.  Wynne didn't.  Irving didn't.  Anders didn't and he started the war.  If you're a powerful mage, the Tevinter may consider you a rival, other mages will either welcome or dislike you.  

[Xilizhra]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Of course it will. I'll win friends in the mage rebellion who'll benefit from my aid, and for those who can't accept it, they were ideologically unreliable to begin with, just like Sebastian. It'd be a nuisance for my party members to be disloyal, but an acceptable price to do what must be done.

Not every mage is going to accept that Blood Magic is a good thing.  Wynne didn't.  Irving didn't.  Anders didn't and he started the war.  If you're a powerful mage, the Tevinter may consider you a rival, other mages will either welcome or dislike you.  

You said that I'd win no friends, which is blatantly incorrect. In any case, Wynne became more accomodating of it when she almost went on a blood magic frenzy in Asunder.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Xilizhra wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Your cynicism has been noted and will be ground down.

Unlikely.  Blood Magic is powerful and dangerous.  Using it won't win you any friends.

Of course it will. I'll win friends in the mage rebellion who'll benefit from my aid, and for those who can't accept it, they were ideologically unreliable to begin with, just like Sebastian. It'd be a nuisance for my party members to be disloyal, but an acceptable price to do what must be done.

I dunno. Unless you have a seriously good build, I think you'd get more power out of loyal companions than Blood Magic.

[BlueMagitek]

Xilizhra wrote...

You said that I'd win no friends, which is blatantly incorrect. In any case, Wynne became more accomodating of it when she almost went on a blood magic frenzy in Asunder.

You don't have any friends.  You may have blood controlled slaves, but that's not really a friend.  And she... did not.  Well, how about that, all mages don't compromise their morals at the drop of a hat.

[Xilizhra]

I dunno. Unless you have a seriously good build, I think you'd get more power out of loyal companions than Blood Magic.

I doubt we'll actually be forced to choose.

You don't have any friends. You may have blood controlled slaves, but that's not really a friend. And she... did not. Well, how about that, all mages don't compromise their morals at the drop of a hat.

True friends won't abandon me just because of the magic I use.

[BlueMagitek]

Xilizhra wrote...


I doubt we'll actually be forced to choose.

True friends won't abandon me just because of the magic I use.

Heaven forbid actions have consequences.

Blood Magic in most of its form is horrifying to the vast majority of people.  True friend or not, it should cause a rift if they view it as unacceptable.