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Why the Indoctrination Theory makes no sense for Mass Effect 3


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#26
BleedingUranium

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Fixers0 wrote...

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I am not watching an hour and a half video. Give me one piece of evidence that can only be bad writing.


Anderson.


You'll have to explain that one more. What about him?


His Armor.
His Location.
His Dialogue.
His Behaviour.
His Death.


All makes sense in IT.

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Fixers0

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BleedingUranium wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

I am not watching an hour and a half video. Give me one piece of evidence that can only be bad writing.


Anderson.


You'll have to explain that one more. What about him?


His Armor.
His Location.
His Dialogue.
His Behaviour.
His Death.


All makes sense in IT.


Still makes Bad writing.

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BleedingUranium

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Fixers0 wrote...

Still makes Bad writing.


...what? No, it's one or the other.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 29 septembre 2012 - 07:17 .


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Davik Kang

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BleedingUranium wrote...

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Still makes Bad writing.


...what? No, it's one or the other.


Dude, these guys have indoctrinated themselves into believing that Bioware screwed up.  Reasoning with logic just doesn't come into it any more.

#30
BleedingUranium

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Davik Kang wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Still makes Bad writing.


...what? No, it's one or the other.


Dude, these guys have indoctrinated themselves into believing that Bioware screwed up.  Reasoning with logic just doesn't come into it any more.


I know, but I still want an example of something that can be nothing but bad writing/laziness.

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Fixers0

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BleedingUranium wrote...

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Still makes Bad writing.


...what? No, it's one or the other.


How so?

You can headcannon Anderson not being at the conduit in London as a Hallucination, but it's merely conjecture, But it's a fact that Anderson is not there, though he claims to have followed Shepard up, making inconsistent (bad) writing.

Modifié par Fixers0, 29 septembre 2012 - 07:22 .


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BleedingUranium wrote...

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Still makes Bad writing.


...what? No, it's one or the other.


Wait one sec. Fixers...do you believe everything in Mass Effect is bad writing or just the ending?

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I can prove that Reapers can break the fourth wall with Indoctrination. Yes We are all indoctrinated. I do suspect I am indoctrinated for a while due to oily shadow dreams.


Also I do suspect that Shepard suffered from a fever dream during arrival while he was unconscience.

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BleedingUranium

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Fixers0 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Still makes Bad writing.


...what? No, it's one or the other.


How so?

You can headcannon Anderson not being at the conduit in London as a Hallucination, but it's merely conjecture, But it's a fact that Anderson is not there, though he claims to have followed Shepard up, making inconsistand (bad) writing.


I don't follow, according to IT, everything after Shep gets lased by Harby happens in his head? How is that relevant. Also, if you want to call IT headcanon, then you have to call Literal headcanon too. Equally as valid.

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DeathScepter wrote...

I can prove that Reapers can break the fourth wall with Indoctrination. Yes We are all indoctrinated. I do suspect I am indoctrinated for a while due to oily shadow dreams.


Also I do suspect that Shepard suffered from a fever dream during arrival while he was unconscience.


http://t1.gstatic.co...KsiyavtDlV42E-Q

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Fixers0 wrote...
But it's a fact that Anderson is not there, though he claims to have followed Shepard up, making inconsistent (bad) writing.


FACT.  PROOF!!

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BleedingUranium wrote...
I don't follow, according to IT, everything after Shep gets lased by Harby happens in his head?


There's the headcannon, you assume it's a hallucination (Conjecture) without the narative specifying it.

BleedingUranium wrote...
Also, if you want to call IT headcanon, then you have to call Literal headcanon too. Equally as valid.


No, because assuming it's a hallucination is conjecure whilst the game proves that Anderson wasn't at the Conduit acces in London even though the game claims that he followed Shepard up.

Modifié par Fixers0, 29 septembre 2012 - 07:27 .


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TJBartlemus wrote...

DeathScepter wrote...

I can prove that Reapers can break the fourth wall with Indoctrination. Yes We are all indoctrinated. I do suspect I am indoctrinated for a while due to oily shadow dreams.


Also I do suspect that Shepard suffered from a fever dream during arrival while he was unconscience.


http://t1.gstatic.co...KsiyavtDlV42E-Q


This make some sense...not saying its true, but is possible.

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DeathScepter

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TJBartlemus wrote...

DeathScepter wrote...

I can prove that Reapers can break the fourth wall with Indoctrination. Yes We are all indoctrinated. I do suspect I am indoctrinated for a while due to oily shadow dreams.


Also I do suspect that Shepard suffered from a fever dream during arrival while he was unconscience.


http://t1.gstatic.co...KsiyavtDlV42E-Q


smart.  

Sometimes I do like to play up that Reapers are lovecraftian horrors that can drive people mad.  And Trust me, Oily Shadow Dreams are mild comparsions to my other dreams. 

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IT makes people happier with the endings.
Happy people don't complain as much for ending/reunion DLC.
Fewer people complaining means less chance for said DLC. (If the chance existed.)
So non-IT'ers must convert the IT community to be as unhappy as they are.
IT must die!

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Davik Kang wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...
But it's a fact that Anderson is not there, though he claims to have followed Shepard up, making inconsistent (bad) writing.


FACT.  PROOF!!


Thank's for agreeining with me, I knew you would see reason in time.

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BleedingUranium

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Fixers0 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...
I don't follow, according to IT, everything after Shep gets lased by Harby happens in his head?


There's the headcannon, you assume it's a hallucination (Conjecture) without the narative specifying it.

BleedingUranium wrote...
Also, if you want to call IT headcanon, then you have to call Literal headcanon too. Equally as valid.


No, because assuming it's a hallucination is conjecure whilst the game proves that Anderson wasn't at the Conduit acces in London even though the game claims that he followed Shepard up.


It's clear you don't understand what equally means. It means the same. You're trying to take everything literally while ignoring a statement by Bioware. You can't cherry pick.

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MajorKellyRisner

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Fixers0 wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...
But it's a fact that Anderson is not there, though he claims to have followed Shepard up, making inconsistent (bad) writing.


FACT.  PROOF!!


Thank's for agreeining with me, I knew you would see reason in time.


How is this relevant? Anderson could have followed Shepard up. You don't know that he didn't

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BleedingUranium wrote...
It's clear you don't understand what equally means. It means the same. You're trying to take everything literally while ignoring a statement by Bioware. You can't cherry pick.


It's valid to headcannon IT, nothing wrong with that, it is however a fact that the narative remains inconsitent as i've just proven.

Modifié par Fixers0, 29 septembre 2012 - 07:32 .


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MajorKellyRisner wrote...

How is this relevant? Anderson could have followed Shepard up. You don't know that he didn't


He did, that's what the narative tells us, yet Anderson was nowhere to be seen at the Conduit acces in London.

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chasemme wrote...

IT makes people happier with the endings.
Happy people don't complain as much for ending/reunion DLC.
Fewer people complaining means less chance for said DLC. (If the chance existed.)
So non-IT'ers must convert the IT community to be as unhappy as they are.
IT must die!


What??? IT means there's no ending yet, at all. You charge the beam, get lased, and after an amount of time, wake up. It goes get lased by Harby -> Breath Scene.

We want ending DLC more than any literalists.

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Fixers0 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...
It's clear you don't understand what equally means. It means the same. You're trying to take everything literally while ignoring a statement by Bioware. You can't cherry pick.


It's valid to headcannon IT, nothing wrong with that, it is however a fact that the narative remains inconsitent as i've just proven.


Did you even read what I said? Equal is equal. Literal is not the default, you need to prove it just as much as we need to prove IT.

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Fixers0 wrote...

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

How is this relevant? Anderson could have followed Shepard up. You don't know that he didn't


He did, that's what the narative tells us, yet Anderson was nowhere to be seen at the Conduit acces in London.


He could be buried under rumble for all we know.

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Fixers0 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

I am not watching an hour and a half video. Give me one piece of evidence that can only be bad writing.


Anderson.


You'll have to explain that one more. What about him?


His Armor.
His Location.
His Dialogue.
His Behaviour.
His Death.

:huh:..None of those are bad.

Modifié par dreman9999, 29 septembre 2012 - 07:34 .


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BleedingUranium wrote...

I don't follow, according to IT, everything after Shep gets lased by Harby happens in his head? How is that relevant. Also, if you want to call IT headcanon, then you have to call Literal headcanon too. Equally as valid.


Actually, no, because it's not a headcanon, the EC clearly defines the state of the galaxy for each ending after Shepard makes his choice. Or do you mean to say the EC also takes place in Shepard's head?:huh: