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[BleedingUranium]

Fixers0 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

I already did. The only facts you have are that Anderson is not there, then is there. Those are facts, you're 100% right about that.

However, you're assuming it's bad writing, which is conjecture on your part.

It's a clear contradiction/inconsistancy within the narative, those are generally accepted a signs of bad writing.

Only when lacking alternate explainations, which exist. It's conjecture vs. conjecture.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 29 septembre 2012 - 09:01 .

[BansheeOwnage]

Fixers0 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

I already did. The only facts you have are that Anderson is not there, then is there. Those are facts, you're 100% right about that.

However, you're assuming it's bad writing, which is conjecture on your part.

It's a clear contradiction/inconsistancy within the narative, those are generally accepted a signs of bad writing.

Unless you didn't fully realize what was happening within said narrative.

[MajorKellyRisner]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

LilLino wrote...

Why would anyone even argue against IT? It's total fanfiction, it's as real as people believe it to be.

Actually, according to Bioware, it's not fanfiction. It is described as "a valid possibility for the end of the game." Meaning, it could have happened, just as much as the literal POV.

Bioware said this to merely calm the storm and to keep their fans. It is a fan fiction, merely taking certain information and stating what others believe.

I myself could write a theory of certain scenes and dialouge, mash it all together and create something out of it. That is what this is. A fan based opinion, taking certain scenes, dialouge, and context, wrapping all up and presenting it.

Modifié par MajorKellyRisner, 29 septembre 2012 - 09:06 .

[Fixers0]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Only when lacking alternate explainations, which exist. It's conjecture vs. conjecture.

those alternate explanation rely on inventing a scenario (hallucination) within the narrative, that didn't exist before, were as  a literary analysis goes outside the plot.

[I_eat_unicorns]

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

And Analysis can go either way, wiether it is in the matter of opinion that it was good or bad. 

 An analysis is always based upon factual observations.

Which of course can be view in many shade and lights of views, depending on who is doing the observations.

No, then that just becomes bias/wishful thinking

Which translates to not facted based conjecture. Again, as i said, Bad writing is merely a matter of opinion

Reword this, I don't get it, you make no sense>

[Fixers0]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Unless you didn't fully realize what was happening within said narrative.

The narrative gives us two pieces of contradictory information, quite simple, isn't it?

Modifié par Fixers0, 29 septembre 2012 - 09:05 .

[BleedingUranium]

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

LilLino wrote...

Why would anyone even argue against IT? It's total fanfiction, it's as real as people believe it to be.

Actually, according to Bioware, it's not fanfiction. It is described as "a valid possibility for the end of the game." Meaning, it could have happened, just as much as the literal POV.

Bioware said this to merely calm the storm. It is a fan fiction, merely taking certain information and stating what others believe.

First, you're assuming what Bioware intended. Second, that's the definition of a literary interpretation, which is what IT is, not a fanfic. IT is looking at the exact same events through a different lens. Nothing's invented.

[BansheeOwnage]

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

LilLino wrote...

Why would anyone even argue against IT? It's total fanfiction, it's as real as people believe it to be.

Actually, according to Bioware, it's not fanfiction. It is described as "a valid possibility for the end of the game." Meaning, it could have happened, just as much as the literal POV.

Bioware said this to merely calm the storm. It is a fan fiction, merely taking certain information and stating what others believe.

Oh, now you're gonna put words in Chris' mouth? Who are you to tell me why Bioware said something? Unless Chris told you he "only did it to calm the storm" than I will never believe you. All you literalists try and say BW denied IT, yet don't listen to BW and/or claim they lie!

[BleedingUranium]

Fixers0 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Unless you didn't fully realize what was happening within said narrative.

The narrative gives us two pieces of contradictory information, quite simple, isn't it?

Only for simple people. You clearly don't enjoy fiction that makes you actually think about what's going on, you need to be spoon fed.

[Fixers0]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Unless you didn't fully realize what was happening within said narrative.

The narrative gives us two pieces of contradictory information, quite simple, isn't it?

Only for simple people. You clearly don't enjoy fiction that makes you actually think about what's going on, you need to be spoon fed.

I don't need to take the seat of the writers, when they screw up or ran against time limits, that's another sign of bad writing.

[BansheeOwnage]

Fixers0 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Only when lacking alternate explainations, which exist. It's conjecture vs. conjecture.

those alternate explanation rely on inventing a scenario (hallucination) within the narrative, that didn't exist before, were as  a literary analysis goes outside the plot.

IT looks at the exact same events through a different lens. Nothing is added. Therefore, nothing is fanfiction. Like Legion said:
"We are many eyes looking at the same things. One platform will see things another does not and will make different judgements."
We both saw the exact same things, yet we came to different conclusions based on those observations.

[MajorKellyRisner]

I myself could write a theory of certain scenes and dialouge, mash it all together and create something out of it. That is what this is. A fan based opinion, taking certain scenes, dialouge, and context, wrapping all up and presenting it.

The fact that BW and Chris said that the IT is a possiblity couldbe true. but the fact is this, BW has yet to give is the answer we want. Is IT supposed to happen to Shepard or not. That is the big question we are looking for.

[BleedingUranium]

Fixers0 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Unless you didn't fully realize what was happening within said narrative.

The narrative gives us two pieces of contradictory information, quite simple, isn't it?

Only for simple people. You clearly don't enjoy fiction that makes you actually think about what's going on, you need to be spoon fed.

I don't need to take the seat of the writers, when they screw up or ran against time limits, that's another sign of bad writing.

More assumptions.

[BleedingUranium]

MajorKellyRisner wrote...


I myself could write a theory of certain scenes and dialouge, mash it all together and create something out of it. That is what this is. A fan based opinion, taking certain scenes, dialouge, and context, wrapping all up and presenting it.

The fact that BW and Chris said that the IT is a possiblity couldbe true. but the fact is this, BW has yet to give is the answer we want. Is IT supposed to happen to Shepard or not. That is the big question we are looking for.

They've also stated that Literal and IT are "equally as valid", as I said before. Literal is not default, nor does it have the true until proven otherwise advantage.

[Fixers0]

BleedingUranium wrote...

More assumptions.

Doesnt disprove my point though.

[BansheeOwnage]

Fixers0 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Unless you didn't fully realize what was happening within said narrative.

The narrative gives us two pieces of contradictory information, quite simple, isn't it?

Only for simple people. You clearly don't enjoy fiction that makes you actually think about what's going on, you need to be spoon fed.

I don't need to take the seat of the writers, when they screw up or ran against time limits, that's another sign of bad writing.

You seriously sound indoctrinated. You use bad writing as evidence, when it what you're trying to prove! That would be like me saying:
"But this is evidence of IT! Therefore IT!"
It makes no sense. I use evidence to support IT, not the other way around, unlike you seem to do.

[Fixers0]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

IT looks at the exact same events through a different lens. Nothing is added. Therefore, nothing is fanfiction. Like Legion said:
"We are many eyes looking at the same things. One platform will see things another does not and will make different judgements."
We both saw the exact same things, yet we came to different conclusions based on those observations.

IT requires me to invent a narrative through induction of imagination to back up my poor understanding of it.

Modifié par Fixers0, 29 septembre 2012 - 09:14 .

[MajorKellyRisner]

BleedingUranium wrote...

MajorKellyRisner wrote...


I myself could write a theory of certain scenes and dialouge, mash it all together and create something out of it. That is what this is. A fan based opinion, taking certain scenes, dialouge, and context, wrapping all up and presenting it.

The fact that BW and Chris said that the IT is a possiblity could be true. but the fact is this, BW has yet to give is the answer we want. Is IT supposed to happen to Shepard or not. That is the big question we are looking for.

They've also stated that Literal and IT are "equally as valid", as I said before. Literal is not default, nor does it have the true until proven otherwise advantage.

Which means that we don't have the answer, the holy grail if you will. I don't want "Equally as Valid", I want a straight answer ffs.

[Fixers0]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

You seriously sound indoctrinated. You use bad writing as evidence, when it what you're trying to prove! That would be like me saying:
"But this is evidence of IT! Therefore IT!"
It makes no sense. I use evidence to support IT, not the other way around, unlike you seem to do.

Bad writing can lead to more bad writing, yes.

[MajorKellyRisner]

Fixers0 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

IT looks at the exact same events through a different lens. Nothing is added. Therefore, nothing is fanfiction. Like Legion said:
"We are many eyes looking at the same things. One platform will see things another does not and will make different judgements."
We both saw the exact same things, yet we came to different conclusions based on those observations.

IT requires me to invent a narrative through induction of imagination  to back up my poor understanding of it.

Which translates to bull****...Sorry, my bs meter is full at the moment. Please hold

[Fixers0]

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

Which translates to bull****...Sorry, my bs meter is full at the moment. Please hold

Quite right, but that's want the endings are:  Atrocious writing.

[MajorKellyRisner]

Fixers0 wrote...

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

Which translates to bull****...Sorry, my bs meter is full at the moment. Please hold

Quite right, but that's what the endings are:  Atrocious writing.

Matter of opinion. I liked the endings, true there were things they could have added, but still, I liked them, EC included

[BansheeOwnage]

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

Which means that we don't have the answer, the holy grail if you will. I don't want "Equally as Valid", I want a straight answer ffs.

We all want a straight answer, believe me. But if we need an answer, doesn't that prove that IT is valid?

[BleedingUranium]

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

MajorKellyRisner wrote...


I myself could write a theory of certain scenes and dialouge, mash it all together and create something out of it. That is what this is. A fan based opinion, taking certain scenes, dialouge, and context, wrapping all up and presenting it.

The fact that BW and Chris said that the IT is a possiblity could be true. but the fact is this, BW has yet to give is the answer we want. Is IT supposed to happen to Shepard or not. That is the big question we are looking for.

They've also stated that Literal and IT are "equally as valid", as I said before. Literal is not default, nor does it have the true until proven otherwise advantage.

Which means that we don't have the answer, the holy grail if you will. I don't want "Equally as Valid", I want a straight answer ffs.

Exactly, we do not know for sure either way. We all want an answer, no matter what each of us believes or wants to believe. Keep in mind, we still have Omega and a DLC 1st Quarter 2013 for sure.

[Samtheman63]

if andersons whereabots was the only thing wrong with the ending you might have a point

theres so much that doesnt make sense about the ending that isnt explained, it must be intentional imo

so we can assume 2 things

1. the final 10 minutes is made up of bad writing in an otherwise great game
2. shepard is suffering from the affects of indoctrination, a theme which has been present since ME1 and supported by in game evidence

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