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[Pedrak]

...well, not as a baby, of course. He/she might be a young man/woman, depending on the timeline they are planning. Maybe his peculiar heritage makes him age faster. Players who import a save where the ritual was not performed get another companion.

What would be the purpose of this?

First, giving a meaningful closure to one of the major plot threads left hanging in the DA universe. It was presented as a crucial decision in DAO, so wrapping it up is, narratively, important. Of course OGB can't be the protagonist or the antagonist, because many players didn't choose the ritual and forcing a canon on them would be a poor choice. So having him as a party member is a more effective, feasible compromise. They did have mutually exclusive party members in DA2, after all.

Second, it's a neat opportunity for an interesting companion and some intriguing dynamics between him/her and the PC, ex. tutoring this young and potentially powerful individual and shaping him as either a hero or a power-hungry villain. He is, after all, someone the player would be inherently interested in.

Third, it would add replay value not only to the game, but to the whole series. I suspect many players would be ready to go through the games again to try the OGB or the other, mutually exclusive companion.

Modifié par Pedrak, 29 septembre 2012 - 06:34 .

[ElitePinecone]

Not going to happen, sorry - they decided the party months ago.

(I mean, I guess suggesting hypotheticals is... a thing... but what's the point if it can't, and won't, ever happen?)

[marshalleck]

franciscoamell wrote...

I'd love that. But what about the people that didn't perform the Dark Ritual?

Not a problem, that's easily retconned without causing any issue.

[Pedrak]

marshalleck wrote...

franciscoamell wrote...

I'd love that. But what about the people that didn't perform the Dark Ritual?

Not a problem, that's easily retconned without causing any issue.

As I wrote in the first post, there's no need to retcon anything. Those players would simply get another party member, with a totally different background. They've done mutually exclusive party members before, after all.

ElitePinecone wrote...

Not going to happen, sorry - they decided the party months ago.

Really? Do we know for a fact that what I suggest is not in?

Modifié par Pedrak, 29 septembre 2012 - 06:46 .

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Non-existent characters can't be companions. Oh and I'll kill him on sight if they retcon him into existing for people who rejected the ritual.

[Darth Death]

Pedrak wrote...

...well, not as a baby, of course.

WHY NOT?! He'll have an awesome skill tree:

Pouting: Reduces enemies defense by -10%
Nap time: Restores 10% health every 15 sec past
Baby rampage: Combat strength increased by 20% but defense is lower by -10%  
Cry me a river: Sweeps unsuspecting enemies in a river of tears dealing 30% salt water damage 

Modifié par Darth Death, 29 septembre 2012 - 06:55 .

[Pedrak]

... do people read only the thread title?

I, for one, hate retcons, and in fact that's not what I'm suggesting.

Modifié par Pedrak, 29 septembre 2012 - 06:56 .

[DarkKnightHolmes]

franciscoamell wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Non-existent characters can't be companions. Oh and I'll kill him on sight if they retcon him into existing for people who rejected the ritual.

I hope they make him a mandatory companion you can't kil.

Then I'll say Bioware has lost it.... again!

[ElitePinecone]

Pedrak wrote...

Really? Do we know for a fact that what I suggest is not in?

I meant that, in general, advocating for party members at this point is a bit pointless since they were all decided on months if not years ago. It's possble to speculate whether the OGB is a companion, but it's not like a dev will see this thread and use the idea to put content in the game if it's not there already. 

I don't know if the OGB is a party member - it's possible, but I don't think it's likely. 

The marketing survey mentioned a total of ten party members, we (likely) know the identities of at least seven, perhaps eight. 

But Mike has said that they're aiming to do justice to the OGB story in a way that reflects player choice - not to integrate the character into a critical plot path that would alienate people who hadn't done the ritual. I get the totally speculative sense that the level of OGB integration they're aiming for isn't at the level of a party member. 

It could certainly happen, sure, but my gut says it won't. 

[KENNY4753]

They won't do it because Morrigan's son isn't there for everybody. They won't make a companion for only people who did the ritual.

[marshalleck]

KENNY4753 wrote...

They won't do it because Morrigan's son isn't there for everybody. They won't make a companion for only people who did the ritual.

Which is why Leliana wasn't in my DA2 game after I decapitated her in DAO. 

Oh wait.

Modifié par marshalleck, 29 septembre 2012 - 07:03 .

[KENNY4753]

marshalleck wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

They won't do it because Morrigan's son isn't there for everybody. They won't make a companion for only people who did the ritual.

Which is why Leliana wasn't in my DA2 game after I decapitated her in DAO. 

Oh wait.

Exactly they saw what happened with Leliana and Anders so they won't do it again.
Plus then they would have to complete retcon everything about the DA:O ending. At least Leliana and Anders weren't major players in the endings of DA:O and Awakening.

[Pedrak]

KENNY4753 wrote...

They won't do it because Morrigan's son isn't there for everybody. They won't make a companion for only people who did the ritual.

In DA2, they made mutually exclusive companions depending on your class. Mask of the Betrayer (not Bio, I know) had mutually exclusive companions depending on an early choice  - Okku and One-of-Many. Torment had at least two party members which were very easy to miss. ME2 had a party member whom you get only if you betray another companion for a serial killer. DAO and Awakening had party members which you could kill - for sound reasons, not just for a whim - before they even joined the party.

So writing companions which many players will not see is not so rare, after all.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Pedrak wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

They won't do it because Morrigan's son isn't there for everybody. They won't make a companion for only people who did the ritual.

In DA2, they made mutually exclusive companions depending on your class. Mask of the Betrayer (not Bio, I know) had mutually exclusive companions depending on an early choice  - Okku and One-of-Many. Torment had at least two party members which were very easy to miss. ME2 had a party member whom you get only if you betray another companion for a serial killer. DAO and Awakening had party members which you could kill - for sound reasons, not just for a whim - before they even joined the party.

So writing companions which many players will not see is not so rare, after all.

But they were both new characters with no relation to anything in the past games. They aren't going to make a full-fleshed character for people who made an optional choice 2 games ago.

[Pedrak]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Pedrak wrote...

Really? Do we know for a fact that what I suggest is not in?

I meant that, in general, advocating for party members at this point is a bit pointless since they were all decided on months if not years ago. It's possble to speculate whether the OGB is a companion, but it's not like a dev will see this thread and use the idea to put content in the game if it's not there already. 

I don't know if the OGB is a party member - it's possible, but I don't think it's likely. 

Touché, I suppose, but then again a lot of what we write here works more as speculation than as a suggestion - with the exception of threads about minor design choices, I guess.

Modifié par Pedrak, 29 septembre 2012 - 07:17 .

[Pedrak]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

But they were both new characters with no relation to anything in the past games. They aren't going to make a full-fleshed character for people who made an optional choice 2 games ago.

They probably aren't - but I tried to explain in my first post why they'd have good reasons to...

[DarkKnightHolmes]

marshalleck wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

They won't do it because Morrigan's son isn't there for everybody. They won't make a companion for only people who did the ritual.

Which is why Leliana wasn't in my DA2 game after I decapitated her in DAO. 

Oh wait.

But OGB can only be created a night before the Archdemon in slain. (Morrigan says that). Unless she could ran out of Fereldan in a matter of hours, sleep with a warden and come back in less than day to see Loghain/Grey Warden/Alistair slay the archdemon, I really doubt he can be created. If they still decide to retcon it and bring him in, for people who rejected it, then they'll have to explain how Alistair/Warden/Loghain died if OGB exists since it only takes one soul when slain.

[thats1evildude]

The easiest fix would be just to introduce Morrigan's son as a party member. If you did the Dark Ritual, he's the OGB. If you didn't, then he's just a son she had with someone else.

Aside from the unusual circumstances of his birth, there's no reason why the OGB has to be different than any other child of Morrigan's. He's still the son of a witch and Flemeth's grandchild; that's justification enough to have some weird magical powers.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 29 septembre 2012 - 07:24 .

[thats1evildude]

franciscoamell wrote...

Well, he could still appear to people who romanced Morrigan but didn't do the ritual, just not as powerful of course. And they could canonize her pregnancy instead of the ritual. Like, maybe she had a secret affair with Alistair, Zevran or Sten.

Or maybe she met someone AFTER leaving the Warden. She was gone for at least a year or so.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 29 septembre 2012 - 07:26 .

[syllogi]

Pedrak wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

They won't do it because Morrigan's son isn't there for everybody. They won't make a companion for only people who did the ritual.

In DA2, they made mutually exclusive companions depending on your class. Mask of the Betrayer (not Bio, I know) had mutually exclusive companions depending on an early choice  - Okku and One-of-Many. Torment had at least two party members which were very easy to miss. ME2 had a party member whom you get only if you betray another companion for a serial killer. DAO and Awakening had party members which you could kill - for sound reasons, not just for a whim - before they even joined the party.

So writing companions which many players will not see is not so rare, after all.

But who would be a suitable replacement for the Old God Baby in the story?  This kid has the soul of an Old God, and will presumably be very powerful, and Morrigan may be trying to control her son, while Flemeth might be interested in gaining his power too.

It would be odd to replace him in some games with Harold the Beet Farmer's Son.  Obviously, they'd want to make the character a bit more exciting than that, but it's not going to be like Bethany and Carver, who come from the same family, or Kaidan and Ashley from Mass Effect, who are both Systems Alliance soldiers.  Even Okku and One-of-Many are bound together by the fact that One-of-Many can't exist without Okku dying.  Who would be interchangeable or story bound to the Old God Baby?