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[PinkysPain]

I don't mind Origin, I don't buy games with always online DRM.

[wolfsite]

Deflagratio wrote...

DRM and Windows Operating Systems are the reasons why I'm still primarily a console gamer.

Here's hoping to the future of the Steam OS.

Then your future will be quite bleak as Steam is DRM and SteamOS boots into Steam.

[ghostzodd]

addiction21 wrote...

ghostzodd wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

naughty99 wrote...

Ivandra Ceruden wrote...

After having seen the various legitimate complaints about Origin on the technical ME forums, I don't think I'd get DA 3 if it would require Origin. Not like I'd buy it anyway after the ****ty mess that was DA 2.

Perhaps I'm lucky, but personally, I haven't experienced any technical problems with the Origin client, which I used with ME2, ME3 and DA2. I was also able to play in offline mode without any problems.

No you are not. There is nothing wrong with origin.

EA is whats wrong with Origin:whistle:

Being so invested in the EA witch hunt that as long as it has EA attached makes it wrong in everyway possible is the problem.

As evidence

ghostzodd wrote...


In the Immortal words of Gabe Newell

"the way to end piracy is to provide a service that's more complete
than cracked software, and that restrictive DRM only encourages more
piracy."

Steam is at the least just as restrictive as Origins.

Considering steam saved PC gaming, and gladly supports customers/mod makers?. w/e you say brah:O. I don't mind Origin is nots as bad as when it first launched *shivers* but if you think its the same league as steam? your cooked.

Modifié par ghostzodd, 12 janvier 2014 - 12:39 .

[addiction21]

ghostzodd wrote...

Considering steam saved PC gaming,

HA! I am not even going to bother to read further.

[Deflagratio]

wolfsite wrote...

Deflagratio wrote...

DRM and Windows Operating Systems are the reasons why I'm still primarily a console gamer.

Here's hoping to the future of the Steam OS.

Then your future will be quite bleak as Steam is DRM and SteamOS boots into Steam.

Both Steam and Origin aren't really the type of DRM that got me out of PC gaming, but all the Windows OS's after XP are patronizing and somehow unintuitive at the same time.

So I can deal with the DRM of Steam/Origin, especially because it's mutually beneficial, with sales and community support.

[Nightdragon8]

ghostzodd wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

ghostzodd wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

naughty99 wrote...

Ivandra Ceruden wrote...

After having seen the various legitimate complaints about Origin on the technical ME forums, I don't think I'd get DA 3 if it would require Origin. Not like I'd buy it anyway after the ****ty mess that was DA 2.

Perhaps I'm lucky, but personally, I haven't experienced any technical problems with the Origin client, which I used with ME2, ME3 and DA2. I was also able to play in offline mode without any problems.

No you are not. There is nothing wrong with origin.

EA is whats wrong with Origin:whistle:

Being so invested in the EA witch hunt that as long as it has EA attached makes it wrong in everyway possible is the problem.

As evidence

ghostzodd wrote...


In the Immortal words of Gabe Newell

"the way to end piracy is to provide a service that's more complete
than cracked software, and that restrictive DRM only encourages more
piracy."

Steam is at the least just as restrictive as Origins.

Considering steam saved PC gaming, and gladly supports customers/mod makers?. w/e you say brah:O. I don't mind Origin is nots as bad as when it first launched *shivers* but if you think its the same league as steam? your cooked.

sence when does it support customers? you can't get a refund on the game if it broken. As for modding sure its nice but they don't have a good integerty, there are plenty of people putting up mods on steam that didn't create the mods, and the mod creators ask repeaditly for the mod to be taken down, and they don't do it. in fact 1 person got banned from the forums. So no Steam isn't this godsend of a program and in fact Orgin has better polices when it comes to its customers.

Also if you want DRM free stuff there is a legal way to get it, good old gamers will be your scorce but good luck finding all the new titles you want.

BTW bioware has there own DRM consiering we have bioeware accounts and also for those of us who are going to use the DA:Keep (I want a key bw please? =) )

So they already have a DRM.

[addiction21]

Deflagratio wrote...



Both Steam and Origin aren't really the type of DRM that got me out of PC gaming, but all the Windows OS's after XP are patronizing and somehow unintuitive at the same time.

So I can deal with the DRM of Steam/Origin, especially because it's mutually beneficial, with sales and community support.

Sorry but if you were using XP(which is my favorite and used for at least a decade on all my machines and still do for certain things) then I don't see your issue. A GUI like Windows is at its core meant to be patronizing honestly.

[ghostzodd]

Nightdragon8 wrote...

ghostzodd wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

ghostzodd wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

naughty99 wrote...

Ivandra Ceruden wrote...

After having seen the various legitimate complaints about Origin on the technical ME forums, I don't think I'd get DA 3 if it would require Origin. Not like I'd buy it anyway after the ****ty mess that was DA 2.

Perhaps I'm lucky, but personally, I haven't experienced any technical problems with the Origin client, which I used with ME2, ME3 and DA2. I was also able to play in offline mode without any problems.

No you are not. There is nothing wrong with origin.

EA is whats wrong with Origin:whistle:

Being so invested in the EA witch hunt that as long as it has EA attached makes it wrong in everyway possible is the problem.

As evidence

ghostzodd wrote...


In the Immortal words of Gabe Newell

"the way to end piracy is to provide a service that's more complete
than cracked software, and that restrictive DRM only encourages more
piracy."

Steam is at the least just as restrictive as Origins.

Considering steam saved PC gaming, and gladly supports customers/mod makers?. w/e you say brah:O. I don't mind Origin is nots as bad as when it first launched *shivers* but if you think its the same league as steam? your cooked.

sence when does it support customers? you can't get a refund on the game if it broken. As for modding sure its nice but they don't have a good integerty, there are plenty of people putting up mods on steam that didn't create the mods, and the mod creators ask repeaditly for the mod to be taken down, and they don't do it. in fact 1 person got banned from the forums. So no Steam isn't this godsend of a program and in fact Orgin has better polices when it comes to its customers.

Also if you want DRM free stuff there is a legal way to get it, good old gamers will be your scorce but good luck finding all the new titles you want.

BTW bioware has there own DRM consiering we have bioeware accounts and also for those of us who are going to use the DA:Keep (I want a key bw please? =) )

So they already have a DRM.

they support customers by having great sales, which steam pioneered.

I remember how an EA exec David DeMartin,said  steam sales cheapen the *Intellectual property* of the product, and then they went on to have a 75 percent sale the next day..  With out valve/steam I doubt the PC platform  would be where it is today

http://www.gamesindu...s-to-be-the-hub

Also do you really think something like Black Mesa would have been possible with any other company? Don't lecture me on GOG brah,  Any person who games on PC knows about them=]

Modifié par ghostzodd, 12 janvier 2014 - 03:23 .

[ghostzodd]

SylvuisTheSwag wrote...

Gaming is moving into Saas type of model. With this model you are buying the service of playing games rather than the game itself. The ideal architecture these services want to provide is one where you stream games directly from the cloud without any install.However, that would be expensive for graphic intensive titles. DRM is fine with the improvements that they have made. I had a problem with not being able to lend some of my products to people in the house hold but these services are coming up with a feature of family sharing.

In terms of SteamOs it is not designed to replace Windows as windows is a general purpose operating system with Steam is a multimedia operating system. Steam is optimized for media and less emphasis on general purpose while, Windows encapsulates general purpose computer services

also I think one of the main points of the steam OS is to get developers away from DIrectX since Microsoft is being so asinine

[LinksOcarina]

ghostzodd wrote...

they support customers by having great sales, which steam pioneered.

I remember how an EA exec David DeMartin,said  steam sales cheapen the *Intellectual property* of the product, and then they went on to have a 75 percent sale the next day..  With out valve/steam I doubt the PC platform  would be where it is today

http://www.gamesindu...s-to-be-the-hub

Also do you really think something like Black Mesa would have been possible with any other company? Don't lecture me on GOG brah,  Any person who games on PC knows about them=]

I do remember that quote. 

Do you remember this?

www.joystiq.com/2013/03/19/eas-origin-player-appreciation-sale-on-now/

Lets see whats on sale right now.

www.origin.com/en-us/store/deals-ANW.html

Oh look, they are even showing off their return policy, something Steam didn't have and I believe was nearly sued for too. Plus, people are upset with their current return policy it seems.

www.incgamers.com/2013/12/steams-refund-policy-restrictive-incoherent-urgent-need-change

Some things don't stand in a  vacumn like that. Then again, if putting up sales is supportng customers, then you should have no reason to say Origin is different from Steam. After all, they are both utlizing gaming as a service for their model of sale. This is why Half-Life 2: Episode 3 was cancelled of course.

It's a good thing I am not really a PC guy, but then again Steam and Origin never worked for me to begin with, so it doesn't matter much in the end. My classic games from GOG are suficcient enough every so often. 

One more thing, this idea that without Valve, the PC platform would be dead...kinda silly. Pioneering a service model and digital downloads is one thing, and it was important. But considering World of Warcraft came out the same year as Steam, not to mention the economic downturn has caused an influx of independent developers, I think PC gaming would be ok for a long time. Not to mention Steam wasn't the first to try digital distribution, that goes to, of all people, Nintendo actually, who invented the Famicom Modem. The idea is nothing new, Steam was just the first to be successful. It won't be the last, nor the pinnacle of perfection either. 

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 12 janvier 2014 - 03:53 .

[Battlebloodmage]

I think after buying the game, you should be forced to type in the registration code from the box to Dragon Keep using your social security number in order for them to give you an activation code that valid for the next hour. If you don't use it within the hour, it will expire and you would need to contact customer service for them to issue you a new one for only 15 dollars. After you activated your game, you will need to install an app to generate a daily code to enter in the main menu. Of course these processes are not enforced due to piracy but instead there to make online fun and interactive.

[ghostzodd]

LinksOcarina wrote...

ghostzodd wrote...

they support customers by having great sales, which steam pioneered.

I remember how an EA exec David DeMartin,said  steam sales cheapen the *Intellectual property* of the product, and then they went on to have a 75 percent sale the next day..  With out valve/steam I doubt the PC platform  would be where it is today

http://www.gamesindu...s-to-be-the-hub

Also do you really think something like Black Mesa would have been possible with any other company? Don't lecture me on GOG brah,  Any person who games on PC knows about them=]

I do remember that quote. 

Do you remember this?

www.joystiq.com/2013/03/19/eas-origin-player-appreciation-sale-on-now/

Lets see whats on sale right now.

www.origin.com/en-us/store/deals-ANW.html

Oh look, they are even showing off their return policy, something Steam didn't have and I believe was nearly sued for too. Plus, people are upset with their current return policy it seems.

www.incgamers.com/2013/12/steams-refund-policy-restrictive-incoherent-urgent-need-change

Some things don't stand in a  vacumn like that. Then again, if putting up sales is supportng customers, then you should have no reason to say Origin is different from Steam. After all, they are both utlizing gaming as a service for their model of sale. This is why Half-Life 2: Episode 3 was cancelled of course.

It's a good thing I am not really a PC guy, but then again Steam and Origin never worked for me to begin with, so it doesn't matter much in the end. My classic games from GOG are suficcient enough every so often. 

The reason EA did that  was because all of the negative backlash they have accumulated. Like winning worst company in America two years in a row, which I think is absurd they deserved worst *gaming company* because some of the asinine choices they have done, but worst company in America is a force, that was just 4chan's doing.

Valve/EA  have two different philosophies. Valve is able to whole heartedly support the PC gaming platform since Microsoft could care less, while EA has to contend with consoles.

also Link i don't want to get in to it with you You have strong views because you are "gaming journalist", I don't feel like doing this dance with you.

If you think Its silly to believe that without valve PC gaming would be dead, I honestly could care less brah. I don't take the ideas of gaming journalist seriously.

Also first link is broken

Modifié par ghostzodd, 12 janvier 2014 - 04:05 .

[LinksOcarina]

ghostzodd wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

ghostzodd wrote...

they support customers by having great sales, which steam pioneered.

I remember how an EA exec David DeMartin,said  steam sales cheapen the *Intellectual property* of the product, and then they went on to have a 75 percent sale the next day..  With out valve/steam I doubt the PC platform  would be where it is today

http://www.gamesindu...s-to-be-the-hub

Also do you really think something like Black Mesa would have been possible with any other company? Don't lecture me on GOG brah,  Any person who games on PC knows about them=]

I do remember that quote. 

Do you remember this?

www.joystiq.com/2013/03/19/eas-origin-player-appreciation-sale-on-now/

Lets see whats on sale right now.

www.origin.com/en-us/store/deals-ANW.html

Oh look, they are even showing off their return policy, something Steam didn't have and I believe was nearly sued for too. Plus, people are upset with their current return policy it seems.

www.incgamers.com/2013/12/steams-refund-policy-restrictive-incoherent-urgent-need-change

Some things don't stand in a  vacumn like that. Then again, if putting up sales is supportng customers, then you should have no reason to say Origin is different from Steam. After all, they are both utlizing gaming as a service for their model of sale. This is why Half-Life 2: Episode 3 was cancelled of course.

It's a good thing I am not really a PC guy, but then again Steam and Origin never worked for me to begin with, so it doesn't matter much in the end. My classic games from GOG are suficcient enough every so often. 

The reason EA did that  was because all of the negative backlash they have accumulated. Like winning worst company in America two years in a row, which I think is absurd they deserved worst *gaming company* because some of the asinine choices they have done, but worst company in America is a force, that was just 4chan's doing.

Valve/EA  have two different philosophies. Valve is able to whole heartedly support the PC gaming platform since Microsoft could care less, while EA has to contend with consoles.

also Link i don't want to get in to it with you You have strong views because you are "gaming journalist", I don't feel like doing this dance with you.

Also first link is broken

Stop your patronizing please. Either say I have a point, or make a case in the end. Don't hide behind an insult, you might actually learn something, 

As to the rest of your post, I agree, thats why they did it. Again, not everything is in a vacumn. They have done it a lot since and have pretty much rescinded on previous comments. 

I also agree it is two different styles of the service model due to what is supported and what isen't. That said, if the mechanics and pretty much out for the same goals in the end, the only issue then is preference yes? 

http://www.joystiq.c...on-sale-on-now/

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 12 janvier 2014 - 04:10 .

[addiction21]

LinksOcarina wrote...

One more thing, this idea that without Valve, the PC platform would be dead...kinda silly. Pioneering a service model and digital downloads is one thing, and it was important. But considering World of Warcraft came out the same year as Steam,

WoW and Half-Life 2 were released within days (maybe week at the least both were in November of that year) of each other and HL2 REQUIRED a Steam install and activation.

Pretty much Valve held one of the biggest most anticipated sequels in gaming hostage. DRM was not even a thing then.

I love what Steam is no but Origins is years ahead of what Steam was in the same timeframe and there is nothing you cant point your finger at Origins that Steam doesn't do or do worse.

[ghostzodd]

LinksOcarina wrote...

ghostzodd wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

ghostzodd wrote...

they support customers by having great sales, which steam pioneered.

I remember how an EA exec David DeMartin,said  steam sales cheapen the *Intellectual property* of the product, and then they went on to have a 75 percent sale the next day..  With out valve/steam I doubt the PC platform  would be where it is today

http://www.gamesindu...s-to-be-the-hub

Also do you really think something like Black Mesa would have been possible with any other company? Don't lecture me on GOG brah,  Any person who games on PC knows about them=]

I do remember that quote. 

Do you remember this?

www.joystiq.com/2013/03/19/eas-origin-player-appreciation-sale-on-now/

Lets see whats on sale right now.

www.origin.com/en-us/store/deals-ANW.html

Oh look, they are even showing off their return policy, something Steam didn't have and I believe was nearly sued for too. Plus, people are upset with their current return policy it seems.

www.incgamers.com/2013/12/steams-refund-policy-restrictive-incoherent-urgent-need-change

Some things don't stand in a  vacumn like that. Then again, if putting up sales is supportng customers, then you should have no reason to say Origin is different from Steam. After all, they are both utlizing gaming as a service for their model of sale. This is why Half-Life 2: Episode 3 was cancelled of course.

It's a good thing I am not really a PC guy, but then again Steam and Origin never worked for me to begin with, so it doesn't matter much in the end. My classic games from GOG are suficcient enough every so often. 

The reason EA did that  was because all of the negative backlash they have accumulated. Like winning worst company in America two years in a row, which I think is absurd they deserved worst *gaming company* because some of the asinine choices they have done, but worst company in America is a force, that was just 4chan's doing.

Valve/EA  have two different philosophies. Valve is able to whole heartedly support the PC gaming platform since Microsoft could care less, while EA has to contend with consoles.

also Link i don't want to get in to it with you You have strong views because you are "gaming journalist", I don't feel like doing this dance with you.

Also first link is broken

Stop your patronizing please. Either say I have a point, or make a case in the end. Don't hide behind an insult, you might actually learn something, 

As to the rest of your post, I agree, thats why they did it. Again, not everything is in a vacumn. They have done it a lot since and have pretty much rescinded on previous comments. 

I also agree it is two different styles of the service model due to what is supported and what isen't. That said, if the mechanics and pretty much out for the same goals in the end, the only issue then is preference yes? 

http://www.joystiq.c...on-sale-on-now/

I am not patronizing you, I just don't take the ideas of gaming journalist's seriously. I will go to ign,and  gamespot for news about games , but actual ideas about the state of the industry, and some of the asinine stuff the companies do I will go to people who speak there minds and don't have to worry about being censored and upsetting the higher ups. People like Jim Sterling, Angry Joe, Modernwarefarenegro.

No self proclaimed Gaming Jorunalist would of had the gall to do what Angry Joe did with Major nelson/ also his video with calling out Microsoft was just boss.
Also its not a matter of preference, its a matter of who gives me the better service and unless EA starts treating the PC platform more like how valve does then Origin will still be seen as Meh.

[ghostzodd]

addiction21 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

One more thing, this idea that without Valve, the PC platform would be dead...kinda silly. Pioneering a service model and digital downloads is one thing, and it was important. But considering World of Warcraft came out the same year as Steam,

WoW and Half-Life 2 were released within days (maybe week at the least both were in November of that year) of each other and HL2 REQUIRED a Steam install and activation.

Pretty much Valve held one of the biggest most anticipated sequels in gaming hostage. DRM was not even a thing then.

I love what Steam is no but Origins is years ahead of what Steam was in the same timeframe and there is nothing you cant point your finger at Origins that Steam doesn't do or do worse.

Yea because its not like EA  studied Steam as a template for the basic functionality of Origin........oh wait

Modifié par ghostzodd, 12 janvier 2014 - 04:22 .

[addiction21]

ghostzodd wrote...

 I will go to ign.

Are you serious?

ghostzodd wrote...


Yea because its not like EA  studied Steam as a template for the basic functionality of Origin........oh wait

Do you have a point?

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Let's go back to CD keys and requiring a disc to be in the drive.  Screw Steam, screw Origin, screw DRM and digital download.

[ghostzodd]

addiction21 wrote...

ghostzodd wrote...

 I will go to ign.

Are you serious?

ghostzodd wrote...


Yea because its not like EA  studied Steam as a template for the basic functionality of Origin........oh wait

Do you have a point?

I said for news about games are you able to read with comprehension?

Modifié par ghostzodd, 12 janvier 2014 - 04:36 .

[superdeathdealer14]

God dammit why did you guys have to bring back a 1 year old thread

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

superdeathdealer14 wrote...

God dammit why did you guys have to bring back a 1 year old thread

Don't worry.  Now that I've replied to this thread, I'm sure it'll die off soon.  That happens to me a lot.

[addiction21]

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

Let's go back to CD keys and requiring a disc to be in the drive.  Screw Steam, screw Origin, screw DRM and digital download.

Those were the good days.  Or having to type in  the word on page 35 paragraph 4 word 15 to continue playing.

The days before Valve saved PC gaming.

superdeathdealer14 wrote...

God dammit why did you guys have to bring back a 1 year old thread

**** happens?

I think it was worth it just to see someone say Steam saved PC gaming.

[ghostzodd]

addiction21 wrote...

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

Let's go back to CD keys and requiring a disc to be in the drive.  Screw Steam, screw Origin, screw DRM and digital download.

Those were the good days.  Or having to type in  the word on page 35 paragraph 4 word 15 to continue playing.

The days before Valve saved PC gaming.

superdeathdealer14 wrote...

God dammit why did you guys have to bring back a 1 year old thread

**** happens?

I think it was worth it just to see someone say Steam saved PC gaming.

I think it was worth it, to just to see someone who cannot read past a 1st grade level;)