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[wolfsite]

The Sin wrote...

Honestly, DRM is very inefficient and foolish way to curb piracy.

I prefer the steps that both Valve,CDProjektRed and to some extent, Bethesda, take to curb piracy. Utterly brilliant and consumer oriented.

They make the original product have more appeal as opposed to restricting the original product even further with DRM. Steam has frequent sales and a lot of side goodies like tradeable virtual cards. Both CDPR and Beth release free DLCs for their games and they give lots of freebies to encourage people to get original games...

Analogically speaking, using DRM is like using a whip/cane to stop people from getting access to a candy for free (piracy). Will not be effective and frustrating. What CDPR, Steam & Beth do is akin to giving more candy for the same price & giving frequent discounts for that said candy...

You tell me which way consumers & customers are going to like...

This doesn't make any sense,  you state DRM is inefficient yet praise two companies that primarily use DRM.  IF you are saying DRM is inefficient then you are saying Valve and Bethesda are inefficient.  Plus keep in mind Valve was the company that also made microtransactions all the rage with Team Fortress 2 (which implemented in game long before the game went free to play) so I find it ironic that people hate on DRM and Microtransactions yet praise the company that made them popular.

[otis0310]

My dream DRM is easy.

For Digitial Download.
One time activation via Origin and never need to go online again. No limit to installs or downloads, but each install must still be activated.

For Physical Disks.
No activation required. Unlimited installs. Disk is encoded to prevent copying the disk.

Simple.

Oh and a free digital copy after registering your disk so you can download it if your disk is damaged. But EA does that.

[Ridwan]

My dream DRM is no DRM. Ergo I like to get my games from gog.com

[t0mm06]

otis0310 wrote...

My dream DRM is easy.

For Digitial Download.
One time activation via Origin and never need to go online again. No limit to installs or downloads, but each install must still be activated.

For Physical Disks.
No activation required. Unlimited installs. Disk is encoded to prevent copying the disk.

Simple.

Oh and a free digital copy after registering your disk so you can download it if your disk is damaged. But EA does that.

I'm not %100 sure on origins (ive used it for some games and i really dont get why people hate it so much, its basically fine, yes it was really bad a year ago but now it does everything i need, download the game and play the game without much issue, or at least with about the same amount of issue i have with steam or Uplay) But ive not gone online with steam for about 2 weeks and i can still play my games (the installed ones). And i've played games in offline mode on Origins before aswell.
So surely if you dont care about getting patches and updates then you can do this already?

[ghostzodd]

t0mm06 wrote...

otis0310 wrote...

My dream DRM is easy.

For Digitial Download.
One time activation via Origin and never need to go online again. No limit to installs or downloads, but each install must still be activated.

For Physical Disks.
No activation required. Unlimited installs. Disk is encoded to prevent copying the disk.

Simple.

Oh and a free digital copy after registering your disk so you can download it if your disk is damaged. But EA does that.

I'm not %100 sure on origins (ive used it for some games and i really dont get why people hate it so much, its basically fine, yes it was really bad a year ago but now it does everything i need, download the game and play the game without much issue, or at least with about the same amount of issue i have with steam or Uplay) But ive not gone online with steam for about 2 weeks and i can still play my games (the installed ones). And i've played games in offline mode on Origins before aswell.
So surely if you dont care about getting patches and updates then you can do this already?

People do not like Origin becuase of the company that backs it, if it were made by any other company it would not get as much hate

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Eurypterid wrote...

DarthSliver wrote...

After the XboxOne incident last year with their DRM you think EA would revise that. It proved that your wallet talks when it comes to companies.
The only way you PC gamers can get through to EA is don't buy the game on PC buy it else where like a Console. People didn't like the DRM on XboxOne and it didnt get many preorders until Microsoft announced they were removing the that DRM policy that it had. So I say to you PC Elitist don't buy it on PC if you truly don't like Origins than you won't buy it on PC otherwise shut your trap because by buying it on your PC you are giving the Greenlight on Origins.

Don't start a PC vs Console war. There are advantages and disadvantages to both platforms.

These days, the differences are getting so blurred.  Didn't used to have to install games on consoles, for instance.  One of these days, it's all going to be the same.  Then, Microsoft will start manufacturing their own PCs, called Xboxes, and Sony will replace the Vaio with the PlayStation line.

[LinksOcarina]

ghostzodd wrote...

I am not patronizing you, I just don't take the ideas of gaming journalist's seriously. I will go to ign,and  gamespot for news about games , but actual ideas about the state of the industry, and some of the asinine stuff the companies do I will go to people who speak there minds and don't have to worry about being censored and upsetting the higher ups. People like Jim Sterling, Angry Joe, Modernwarefarenegro.

No self proclaimed Gaming Jorunalist would of had the gall to do what Angry Joe did with Major nelson/ also his video with calling out Microsoft was just boss.
Also its not a matter of preference, its a matter of who gives me the better service and unless EA starts treating the PC platform more like how valve does then Origin will still be seen as Meh.

Angry Joe is a cartoon character though. I worked with the guy when he ran our website for a year, and he was pretty much all ego and for show. He can be passionate sure, but it doesn't mean anything if there is little behind the passion. He didn't care too much about issues and usually made videos on what was going on because he felt like it was worth it to get hits. It was a souless exercise, to the point where i havent watched him since he left Blistered Thumbs. 

People like Joe and Jim Sterling for example, are more tools than tide turners. They are throwing out the same, regurgitated ideas everyone else has, but do nothing about it in the end. I put them akin to the talking heads on  Fox News or CNN, its easy to talk about things, but if they want my respect, with all of their media attention and fanbases, stop playing up the characters and actually do something that can change the industry.

You want people who are actually doing work to change it. Look up Mattie Brice, Samantha Allen, and while I am not a big fan of his work, Leigh Alexander does some good stuff too. It's mostly social issues, but this is a mix of journalists  who actually are doing what you believe those entertainers are doing, and are doing it the right way by giving ideas and pushing the envelope with facts and evidence over blind outrage. It is the difference between Samuel Adams and Thomas Paine, Adams may be able to riot up the rabble, but Paine gave them something to think about. 

But maybe i'm asking too much. In the end that appeal for th emasses comes from the faux activism they all do. It's thoughtful conversations masked as entertainment, and you shouldn't take them seriously at  all. But its your loss in the end, if you want to stay that way, do whatever the hell you want. 

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 13 janvier 2014 - 07:49 .

[Gorath Alpha]

ghostzodd wrote...

if it were made by any other company it would not get as much hate

Valve makes Steam, and IMO, it's more of the same Apron Strings mentality.  Both companies have the same attitude about gamer independence.  They want to control what I do, and I'll not cooperate.  Both Bethesda and Bioware have lost sales due to requiring this online trash.  I skipped ME-3, and Skyrim, and I strongly suspect that DA: I will be more of the same BS all over again. 

[Nightdragon8]

omg this has turned into a steam vs everyone else topic.

I'm going to say this, Yes steam is good and I use steam alot, however I'm not going to be a raving idiot and sing how its the greatest company in the world and how they can't do wrong. They do plenty of wrong. From a person who has bought broken games from them and there CUSTOMER SERVICE is honestly ****** poor. Also the fact you are allowed 1 thats right ONE refund. After that you are screwed.

Unless you wanna get lawyers involved. So that makes Steam LOW on the CUSTOMER SERVICE level. I don't care if they have a million sales. All games allow modding, more to the fact is that they can't stop it. And if they do try to stop it, it will only make people want the mod more just to see what the company is complaining about.

Black Mesa Happened because a group of people got togetehr and dicided hey, lets redo HF1. It wasn't Vavle who did it. it was people, and it was going to happen with or without Vavle involment.

Just saying "Sure you can do it" doesn't give any real credit to them making the program at all.

So as much as I wanna praise Steam as the next coming of christ. it has not yet to me proven worth that high of a praise from me. They have too many flaws. Also the modding community already have places to go to get mods for games. ModDB, Nexus, are both examples that have been doing it longer. And they have been upholding the "rights of the mod creater" MUCH better than Steam. So no,

As for it "Saving the PC gamming" I would honestly say Derict2Drive would have done it if Steam wasn't around.

[craigdolphin]

For me it's simple. I will not be installing Origin on my computer until EA changes the EULA and T&C for Origin to respect a person's enduring right to play what they have paid for, and to not give themselves carte blanche to scan the hard-drive. I didn't buy ME3 due to that single issue, and the same will be true for DAI if they insist on bundling Origin with it also.

If the game looks any good after release, and the player reviews are good, then I'll buy a second hand copy for console and will skip all DLC. However, if they make origin optional, or else revise the EULA / T&C to of Origin to be more acceptable to me, then I'll buy it new for PC and buy DLC if it looks interesting.

I doubt EA cares much either way. But that's my position on the subject and I'm sticking with it.

[ghostzodd]

LinksOcarina wrote...

ghostzodd wrote...

I am not patronizing you, I just don't take the ideas of gaming journalist's seriously. I will go to ign,and  gamespot for news about games , but actual ideas about the state of the industry, and some of the asinine stuff the companies do I will go to people who speak there minds and don't have to worry about being censored and upsetting the higher ups. People like Jim Sterling, Angry Joe, Modernwarefarenegro.

No self proclaimed Gaming Jorunalist would of had the gall to do what Angry Joe did with Major nelson/ also his video with calling out Microsoft was just boss.
Also its not a matter of preference, its a matter of who gives me the better service and unless EA starts treating the PC platform more like how valve does then Origin will still be seen as Meh.

Angry Joe is a cartoon character though. I worked with the guy when he ran our website for a year, and he was pretty much all ego and for show. He can be passionate sure, but it doesn't mean anything if there is little behind the passion. He didn't care too much about issues and usually made videos on what was going on because he felt like it was worth it to get hits. It was a souless exercise, to the point where i havent watched him since he left Blistered Thumbs. 

People like Joe and Jim Sterling for example, are more tools than tide turners. They are throwing out the same, regurgitated ideas everyone else has, but do nothing about it in the end. I put them akin to the talking heads on  Fox News or CNN, its easy to talk about things, but if they want my respect, with all of their media attention and fanbases, stop playing up the characters and actually do something that can change the industry.

You want people who are actually doing work to change it. Look up Mattie Brice, Samantha Allen, and while I am not a big fan of his work, Leigh Alexander does some good stuff too. It's mostly social issues, but this is a mix of journalists  who actually are doing what you believe those entertainers are doing, and are doing it the right way by giving ideas and pushing the envelope with facts and evidence over blind outrage. It is the difference between Samuel Adams and Thomas Paine, Adams may be able to riot up the rabble, but Paine gave them something to think about. 

But maybe i'm asking too much. In the end that appeal for th emasses comes from the faux activism they all do. It's thoughtful conversations masked as entertainment, and you shouldn't take them seriously at  all. But its your loss in the end, if you want to stay that way, do whatever the hell you want. 

Don't be so salty its the internet, don't take stuff to the head. If you think I am wrong for believing what I believe then there is nothing that I can do. Joe and Jim seem fine to me but, like I said I am not going to take the opinion of a self proclaimed gaming journalist seriously espiecally someone who I will most likely never meet in the ongoings of my life:wizard:

So from now on Link lets not do this dance anymore=]

Modifié par ghostzodd, 15 janvier 2014 - 03:15 .

[ghostzodd]

Nightdragon8 wrote...

omg this has turned into a steam vs everyone else topic.

I'm going to say this, Yes steam is good and I use steam alot, however I'm not going to be a raving idiot and sing how its the greatest company in the world and how they can't do wrong. They do plenty of wrong. From a person who has bought broken games from them and there CUSTOMER SERVICE is honestly ****** poor. Also the fact you are allowed 1 thats right ONE refund. After that you are screwed.

Unless you wanna get lawyers involved. So that makes Steam LOW on the CUSTOMER SERVICE level. I don't care if they have a million sales. All games allow modding, more to the fact is that they can't stop it. And if they do try to stop it, it will only make people want the mod more just to see what the company is complaining about.

Black Mesa Happened because a group of people got togetehr and dicided hey, lets redo HF1. It wasn't Vavle who did it. it was people, and it was going to happen with or without Vavle involment.

Just saying "Sure you can do it" doesn't give any real credit to them making the program at all.

So as much as I wanna praise Steam as the next coming of christ. it has not yet to me proven worth that high of a praise from me. They have too many flaws. Also the modding community already have places to go to get mods for games. ModDB, Nexus, are both examples that have been doing it longer. And they have been upholding the "rights of the mod creater" MUCH better than Steam. So no,

As for it "Saving the PC gamming" I would honestly say Derict2Drive would have done it if Steam wasn't around.

I don't think its the greatest company in the world, but I will give credit where credit is due

[ghostzodd]

Gorath Alpha wrote...

ghostzodd wrote...

if it were made by any other company it would not get as much hate

Valve makes Steam, and IMO, it's more of the same Apron Strings mentality.  Both companies have the same attitude about gamer independence.  They want to control what I do, and I'll not cooperate.  Both Bethesda and Bioware have lost sales due to requiring this online trash.  I skipped ME-3, and Skyrim, and I strongly suspect that DA: I will be more of the same BS all over again. 

Um I don't think Steam really hurt skyrim's sales since it did better then Bethesda's expectations.Also the Modding community is pretty boss:whistle:

[Siegdrifa]

I'm glad this post was necroed, best gif ever XD

[leaguer of one]

craigdolphin wrote...

For me it's simple. I will not be installing Origin on my computer until EA changes the EULA and T&C for Origin to respect a person's enduring right to play what they have paid for, and to not give themselves carte blanche to scan the hard-drive. I didn't buy ME3 due to that single issue, and the same will be true for DAI if they insist on bundling Origin with it also.

If the game looks any good after release, and the player reviews are good, then I'll buy a second hand copy for console and will skip all DLC. However, if they make origin optional, or else revise the EULA / T&C to of Origin to be more acceptable to me, then I'll buy it new for PC and buy DLC if it looks interesting.

I doubt EA cares much either way. But that's my position on the subject and I'm sticking with it.

They are not going to the do that and even the consoles have drm.

[AshenSugar]

 This could go either way I think.

It's perfectly possible that Dragon Age Inquisition will launch with an always-online requirement for the single player game, alongside a whole host of restrictive DRM, such as limited installs, rootkits, online passes; or any other kind of system or registration that forces players to jump through countless hoops in order to simply play the game.

In fact it's entirely possible that Inquisition's launch will result in a situation highly similar to the Sim City fiasco, in which thousands of players are unable to log into the game due to servers buckling under the weight of demand from users.

If the above scenario plays out, then, in all liklihood, the game, and possibly even Bioware will end up being buried, it could even spell the end of the company, and the franchise. - and all this is assuming that Inquisition will be a decent game without any of the problems inherent to Bioware's latter titles, or one stuffed to the brim with microtransactions.


Naturally, it would be nice to think that EA had actually learned from the mistakes of Sim City, Spore etc. That they understand the publicity nightmare, and tsunami of customer ill-will that occurs when such debacles occur. They may even have some marginal, nebulous understanding of many of their customers' attitudes to DRM in general. It wouild be nice to think that they might actually cater toward the dictates of consumer demand for once in their lives.

... Then again, this is EA we're talking about. High-handed arrogance, indifference,, and utter deafness toward customer feedback has always been their usual way of doing business, it seems to much to hope for that the company will change from Mr Nasty, to Mr Reasonable within the space of a few months.

I guess we'll find out soon enough.

Modifié par AshenSugar, 15 janvier 2014 - 07:57 .

[Bail_Darilar]

I honestly don't mind Origin, I don't find it that intrusive. I've had a few bugs with it in the past but have no problem for about 3 months now. On the subject of DRM, I think it's entirely dependent on how 'online' the game is, as in how integral it is to the game or any eventual multiplayer experience. I guess if enough people complain about DRM, it will be seen as a legitimate issue and rectified.

[Gorath Alpha]

ghostzodd wrote...

Gorath Alpha wrote...

ghostzodd wrote...

if it were made by any other company it would not get as much hate

They want to control what I do, and I'll not cooperate.  Both Bethesda and Bioware have lost sales due to requiring this online trash.  I skipped ME-3, and Skyrim, and I strongly suspect that DA: I will be more of the same BS all over again. 

Um I don't think Steam really hurt skyrim's sales since it did better then Bethesda's expectations.Also the Modding community is pretty boss:whistle:

I know of one sale each for the three -- my own, and quite a few friends of mine who echo my opinion on this, but don't care for forum interaction, so you may discount them, I suppose.  Maybe we are but a few locally, but we all are buying Projekt Code Red games instead of either Bethesda / Bioware. 

[LinksOcarina]

ghostzodd wrote...

Don't be so salty its the internet, don't take stuff to the head. If you think I am wrong for believing what I believe then there is nothing that I can do. Joe and Jim seem fine to me but, like I said I am not going to take the opinion of a self proclaimed gaming journalist seriously espiecally someone who I will most likely never meet in the ongoings of my life:wizard:

So from now on Link lets not do this dance anymore=]

Its not a question of being wrong, its an issue of ignorance to the truth of the matter.  I honestly don't give a **** if you take me seriously or not, I just want to make sure you listen, and understand what the truth is. One day, you will hopefully see it yourself. 

[Dominus]

My dream DRM is no DRM. Ergo I like to get my games from gog.com

Pretty much in the same boat.

I don't see Origin going anywhere, but I'll be avoiding it at all costs - if I get DA:I, it'll likely be for the PS3 or PS4 instead(and the same applies to the next ME). If they've no intention of changing their stance, neither will I.

[Nightdragon8]

Gorath Alpha wrote...

ghostzodd wrote...

Gorath Alpha wrote...

ghostzodd wrote...

if it were made by any other company it would not get as much hate

They want to control what I do, and I'll not cooperate.  Both Bethesda and Bioware have lost sales due to requiring this online trash.  I skipped ME-3, and Skyrim, and I strongly suspect that DA: I will be more of the same BS all over again. 

Um I don't think Steam really hurt skyrim's sales since it did better then Bethesda's expectations.Also the Modding community is pretty boss:whistle:

I know of one sale each for the three -- my own, and quite a few friends of mine who echo my opinion on this, but don't care for forum interaction, so you may discount them, I suppose.  Maybe we are but a few locally, but we all are buying Projekt Code Red games instead of either Bethesda / Bioware. 

Congratz?? I bought the TW2 also, doesn't mean I can't buy Bethesda games as well...  in fact own FO:NV, DA:UE, DA2, ME1-3, Jade Empire, Baulders gate 2 (not HD), I also own Actvition games, also Atari games, also Nintindo games.

One doesn't exclude the rest. Not liking the game because "of the company its made from" is weak, I mean unless the company is dealing in child porn or human trafficing. Not really a big difference, tho I do agree with TB about Sega and there BS but what have you.

[ghostzodd]

LinksOcarina wrote...

ghostzodd wrote...

Don't be so salty its the internet, don't take stuff to the head. If you think I am wrong for believing what I believe then there is nothing that I can do. Joe and Jim seem fine to me but, like I said I am not going to take the opinion of a self proclaimed gaming journalist seriously espiecally someone who I will most likely never meet in the ongoings of my life:wizard:

So from now on Link lets not do this dance anymore=]

Its not a question of being wrong, its an issue of ignorance to the truth of the matter.  I honestly don't give a **** if you take me seriously or not, I just want to make sure you listen, and understand what the truth is. One day, you will hopefully see it yourself. 

I am pretty sure you do care since you want to keep this  charade going brah I must of somehow hurt your ego.

Listen Link just stop I could care less about some random person on the internet trying to prove his superority saying I am ignorant and, I do not know the truth. you are just one 7 billion people in the world who my path will most likely not even cross with.

why don you put all this arguementative  effort into being a "gaming journalist":sick:

[ghostzodd]

Gorath Alpha wrote...

ghostzodd wrote...

Gorath Alpha wrote...

ghostzodd wrote...

if it were made by any other company it would not get as much hate

They want to control what I do, and I'll not cooperate.  Both Bethesda and Bioware have lost sales due to requiring this online trash.  I skipped ME-3, and Skyrim, and I strongly suspect that DA: I will be more of the same BS all over again. 

Um I don't think Steam really hurt skyrim's sales since it did better then Bethesda's expectations.Also the Modding community is pretty boss:whistle:

I know of one sale each for the three -- my own, and quite a few friends of mine who echo my opinion on this, but don't care for forum interaction, so you may discount them, I suppose.  Maybe we are but a few locally, but we all are buying Projekt Code Red games instead of either Bethesda / Bioware. 

I am buying all three  of them,  W3, Fallout 4 when ever that drops ,and DAI. I am not some blind valve fanboy I just find it odd that someone could think Origin is better than Steam considering all the good valve has done for PC gaming and now more developers are supporting the PC platform.

Many developers were abandoning the PC platform in favor of consoles. Steam was pretty crappy though when it first started it , but Valve perfected it and thats why it is a power house. EA could do the same with Origin but I am skeptical since they don't view The PC platform  like valve does.

All companies are in it for money but, some have bettter business practices then others.

But your right forum interaction is dangerous, the internet brings out the worst in a lot of us.

Modifié par ghostzodd, 15 janvier 2014 - 06:17 .

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

I think the only reason why people tolerate Steam at all is the massive sale that they have now and then.  Psh, I've always hated "digital distribution".  But I'd say the worst thing is like what I read about the DuckTales remake: You can pay extra money for an empty plastic case, and you still have to download the game.  *facepalm*

[Ninja Stan]

No longer DAI related.

End of line.