Yes, he opened the small arms at the back so that the Crucible could dock, but those are not the arms I am referring to. To fire the forward arms need to open.Iconoclaste wrote...
The Arms were opened by Shepard, via the small control panel, from what is shown in the game, just before Anderson dies.
Why would the Reapers direct people to modify the Crucible so it might control them, and furthermore, why would they implement the Crucible with "perfected Synthesis", instead of applying this solution themselves?Jade8aby88 wrote...
This is how I see it.
Crucible
Original function - Destroy.
later added function - Control (by indoctrinated subjects)
even later added function - Synthesis (by heavily indoctrinated subjects under Reapers full control)
Sundance31us wrote...
HYR 2.0 wrote...
He said that certain patterns always emerge, not that every cycle loses because indoctrinated agents cost them the war. When it comes down to it, every cycle loses for the same reason: they ran out of time. Having to fight against indoctrinated forces hurts them, but it doesn't doom them.
I appologize for any typosDIALOGUE WHEEL --> The Crucible
Shepard: What happened to the Crucible in your time? Why didn't the Protheans deploy it?
Prothean VI: We were sabotaged form within. A splinter group argued we should dominate the Reapers rather than destroy them.
Prothean VI: It fractured our oder of battle. Later, we discovered the separatists were indoctrinted.
Ashley: Sounds like history's repeating itself.
Prothean VI: Our studies of past ages led us to believe that time is cyclical. Many patters repeat.
Shepard: Like the Reaper cycles.
Prothean VI: And beyond. The same peaks of evolution, the same valleys of dissolution...
Prothean VI: The same conflicts are expressed in every cycle, but in a different manner.
Prothean VI: The repetition is too prevalent to be merely chance.
Liara: We assumed the Reapers were responsible for the pattern.
Prothean VI: Perhaps. Though I believe the Reapers are only servants of the pattern. They are not its master.
Shepard: So who is the master?
Prothean VI: Unknown. Its presence is inferred rather than observed. The only certanty is its intention.
Prothean VI: Galactic annihilation. You now stand at that precipice.
Constant Motion wrote...
http://en.wikipedia....erial_fallacies
"People believed the reapers could be controlled. These people were indoctrinated. Therefore, all peple who believe the reapers could be controlled are indoctrinated."
Logical fallacies, incidentally, are half of the reason the reapers behave the way they do. They made a generalisation. They were wrong. Now, they need a new solution.
We've seen the outcome. It's in the game. We know, for a fact, that it isn't a trap. Let go!
Modifié par liggy002, 30 septembre 2012 - 05:03 .
Iconoclaste wrote...
Why would the Reapers direct people to modify the Crucible so it might control them, and furthermore, why would they implement the Crucible with "perfected Synthesis", instead of applying this solution themselves?Jade8aby88 wrote...
This is how I see it.
Crucible
Original function - Destroy.
later added function - Control (by indoctrinated subjects)
even later added function - Synthesis (by heavily indoctrinated subjects under Reapers full control)
Since this implies that the "Intelligence looking for something (new solution)" would have found about "advanced synthesis" some long time ago, why not stop the Reaping and implement the new solution then?
Like I wrote, once there is access to the "Decision platform", any shuttle could ride in to have any soldier "fire the Crucible". You asked "Why would the Catalyst wake Shepard up after lifting him with the elevator", I suppose he believed Shepard was a better choice than anyone else.Sundance31us wrote...
Yes, he opened the small arms at the back so that the Crucible could dock, but those are not the arms I am referring to. To fire the forward arms need to open.
Back arms open for Crucible to dock. (10:31)
Forward arms open w/o Shepard's intervention. (13:00)
liggy002 wrote...
The indoctrinated factions wanted to add a Control functionality to the Crucible LEAP
Where did you get that "fact"?liggy002 wrote...
The indoctrinated factions wanted to add a Control functionality to the Crucible FACT
HYR 2.0 wrote...
Iconoclaste wrote...
Why would the Reapers direct people to modify the Crucible so it might control them, and furthermore, why would they implement the Crucible with "perfected Synthesis", instead of applying this solution themselves?Jade8aby88 wrote...
This is how I see it.
Crucible
Original function - Destroy.
later added function - Control (by indoctrinated subjects)
even later added function - Synthesis (by heavily indoctrinated subjects under Reapers full control)
Since this implies that the "Intelligence looking for something (new solution)" would have found about "advanced synthesis" some long time ago, why not stop the Reaping and implement the new solution then?
Not to mention the elephant in the room about doing nothing to stop its Destroy function.
KevShep wrote...
its playing out in sheps head that its the reapers being controled as per indoctrination on him. What is actually happening is that the relays are a conduit for indoctrination (thanks to control option) to use on all systems meaning that everyone is now "being" indoctirnated (and or controled) instead.
HYR 2.0 wrote...
This is not about indoctrination.
This is the premise of the Reapers going full-retard and not properly sabotaging the galaxy's only real shot at defeating them. They elect not to make this a fool-proof trap, but one with a possibility (a very high one) of doing them in.
Basically, handing the other side a weapon to defeat them.
the VI on thessiaIconoclaste wrote...
Where did you get that "fact"?liggy002 wrote...
The indoctrinated factions wanted to add a Control functionality to the Crucible FACT
Isn't that a bit redundant? The Reapers control Shepard controlling the Reapers controlling Shepard... An issue played "in his head" with "real world effects", how would that play out? He's not doing anything, and the Reapers "activate Control" themselves? Why did they need Shepard for?KevShep wrote...
its playing out in sheps head that its the reapers being controled as per indoctrination on him. What is actually happening is that the relays are a conduit for indoctrination (thanks to control option) to use on all systems meaning that everyone is now "being" indoctirnated (and or controled) instead.
HYR 2.0 wrote...
KevShep wrote...
its playing out in sheps head that its the reapers being controled as per indoctrination on him. What is actually happening is that the relays are a conduit for indoctrination (thanks to control option) to use on all systems meaning that everyone is now "being" indoctirnated (and or controled) instead.
Gooby plz.HYR 2.0 wrote...
This is not about indoctrination.
This is the premise of the Reapers going full-retard and not properly sabotaging the galaxy's only real shot at defeating them. They elect not to make this a fool-proof trap, but one with a possibility (a very high one) of doing them in.
Basically, handing the other side a weapon to defeat them.
Do you have a quote, just to spare me the Googling, please? Or summarize it if you want, I can take that too.Samtheman63 wrote...
the VI on thessiaIconoclaste wrote...
Where did you get that "fact"?liggy002 wrote...
The indoctrinated factions wanted to add a Control functionality to the Crucible FACT
Iconoclaste wrote...
Isn't that a bit redundant? The Reapers control Shepard controlling the Reapers controlling Shepard... An issue played "in his head" with "real world effects", how would that play out? He's not doing anything, and the Reapers "activate Control" themselves? Why did they need Shepard for?KevShep wrote...
its playing out in sheps head that its the reapers being controled as per indoctrination on him. What is actually happening is that the relays are a conduit for indoctrination (thanks to control option) to use on all systems meaning that everyone is now "being" indoctirnated (and or controled) instead.
KevShep wrote...
AlanC9 wrote...
KevShep wrote...
No, they made it seem like they are tying to stop it, I mean a few capital ships guarding the crucible are not going to stop even "one" reaper from getting close to the crucible and yet none go for it at all.
Let's say I buy that. What about closing the Citadel arms? what about moving the Citadel? What about shooting people who are trying to get to the beam?
they move it to earth, close the citadel arms so that every one has to go on foot and prevent anyone from reahing the citadel other then shepard.
Iconoclaste wrote...
Do you have a quote, just to spare me the Googling, please? Or summarize it if you want, I can take that too.Samtheman63 wrote...
the VI on thessiaIconoclaste wrote...
Where did you get that "fact"?liggy002 wrote...
The indoctrinated factions wanted to add a Control functionality to the Crucible FACT
It isn’t directed specifically to you; I am adding it to the thread for reference because you brought up that part of the conversation.HYR 2.0 wrote...
Why are you telling me this?
Iconoclaste wrote...
Isn't that a bit redundant? The Reapers control Shepard controlling the Reapers controlling Shepard... An issue played "in his head" with "real world effects", how would that play out? He's not doing anything, and the Reapers "activate Control" themselves? Why did they need Shepard for?KevShep wrote...
its playing out in sheps head that its the reapers being controled as per indoctrination on him. What is actually happening is that the relays are a conduit for indoctrination (thanks to control option) to use on all systems meaning that everyone is now "being" indoctirnated (and or controled) instead.
Modifié par KevShep, 30 septembre 2012 - 05:21 .
KevShep wrote...
AlanC9 wrote...
KevShep wrote...
No, they made it seem like they are tying to stop it, I mean a few capital ships guarding the crucible are not going to stop even "one" reaper from getting close to the crucible and yet none go for it at all.
Let's say I buy that. What about closing the Citadel arms? what about moving the Citadel? What about shooting people who are trying to get to the beam?
they move it to earth, close the citadel arms so that every one has to go on foot and prevent anyone from reahing the citadel other then shepard.
Samtheman63 wrote...
Iconoclaste wrote...
Do you have a quote, just to spare me the Googling, please? Or summarize it if you want, I can take that too.Samtheman63 wrote...
the VI on thessiaIconoclaste wrote...
Where did you get that "fact"?liggy002 wrote...
The indoctrinated factions wanted to add a Control functionality to the Crucible FACT
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There's nothing in this about adding "Control functionality to the Crucible".Samtheman63 wrote...
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AlanC9 wrote...
KevShep wrote...
AlanC9 wrote...
KevShep wrote...
No, they made it seem like they are tying to stop it, I mean a few capital ships guarding the crucible are not going to stop even "one" reaper from getting close to the crucible and yet none go for it at all.
Let's say I buy that. What about closing the Citadel arms? what about moving the Citadel? What about shooting people who are trying to get to the beam?
they move it to earth, close the citadel arms so that every one has to go on foot and prevent anyone from reahing the citadel other then shepard.
Someone else is going to have to take over. All I can do when faced with this is giggle.
Thank you.Samtheman63 wrote...
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Modifié par Iconoclaste, 30 septembre 2012 - 05:30 .
Sundance31us wrote...
There's nothing in this about adding "Control functionality to the Crucible".Samtheman63 wrote...
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DIALOGUE WHEEL --> The Crucible
Shepard: What happened to the Crucible in your time? Why didn't the Protheans deploy it?
Prothean VI: We were sabotaged form within. A splinter group argued we should dominate the Reapers rather than destroy them.
Prothean VI: It fractured our oder of battle. Later, we discovered the separatists were indoctrinted.
Ashley: Sounds like history's repeating itself.
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