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[AlanC9]

Adding nonsense is not a solution.

[His Name was HYR!!]

Samtheman63 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

The indoctrinated factions wanted to add a Control functionality to the Crucible  FACT

Where did you get that "fact"?

the VI on thessia

Do you have a quote, just to spare me the Googling, please? Or summarize it if you want, I can take that too.

1:10

Except the VI never says they wanted to add the Control functionality to the Crucible.

Just like TIM was working independently of the Crucible.

[KevShep]

AlanC9 wrote...

Adding nonsense is not a solution.

its not nonsense, it adds up. If you cant see where it does then Iam sorry, Iam not explaning the whole IT to you.

Nonsense was the ending we got.

[liggy002]

Iconoclaste wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...



1:10

Thank you.

""We were sabotaged from within. A splinter group argued we should
dominate the Reapers rather than destroy them. It fractured our order of
battle. Later we discovered the separatists were indoctrinated."

It doesn't say they succeeded into "implementing control" just that they were "pushing" for it, with obvious resistance. This was the Prothean cycle, and if it was not realized at that time, and neither with Cerberus in the present Cycle, I can't see where this "control trap" can be established as "fact". How to you bridge the gap?

The Prothean VI also says that it is certain that the Catalysts intention is GALATIC ANNIHILATION.  Yet, according to the Catalyst he just wants to bring order to the Chaos.  It sure as hell sounds like the Catalyst wasn't being honest about his intentions.

Modifié par liggy002, 30 septembre 2012 - 05:31 .

[liggy002]

KevShep wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Adding nonsense is not a solution.

its not nonsense, it adds up. If you cant see where it does then Iam sorry, Iam not explaning the whole IT to you.

Nonsense was the ending we got.

Agreed.

[Iconoclaste]

liggy002 wrote...

The Prothean VI also says that it is certain that the Catalysts intention is GALATIC ANNIHILATION.  Yet, according to the Catalyst he just wants to bring order to the Chaos.  It sure as hell sounds like the Catalyst wasn't being honest about his intentions.

Honestly, how could the VI know about the "Catalyst"?

[Samtheman63]

a reaper controlled TiM tells you to pick control (lol) this ends with shepard killing himself
the catalyst tells you to pick synthesis (LOL) this ends with shepard killing himself
every ally you've had tells you to pick destroy, shepard survives



herp ****ing derp

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Sundance31us wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Why are you telling me this?

It isn’t directed specifically to you; I am adding it to the thread for reference because you brought up that part of the conversation.

You missed his joke. That's what Shepard says to Vendetta next in that conversation.

[AlanC9]

KevShep wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Adding nonsense is not a solution.

its not nonsense, it adds up. If you cant see where it does then Iam sorry, Iam not explaning the whole IT to you.

I've read it all anyway. It doesn't get more convincing with age.

Out of idle curiosity, since you like IT, how come you aren't happier with the game?

[His Name was HYR!!]

Samtheman63 wrote...

a reaper controlled TiM tells you to pick control (lol) this ends with shepard killing himself
the catalyst tells you to pick synthesis (LOL) this ends with shepard killing himself
every ally you've had tells you to pick destroy, shepard survives



herp ****ing derp

Hehe, nice ploy to change the subject away from how you were wrong about what the VI says. 

[KevShep]

Samtheman63 wrote...

a reaper controlled TiM tells you to pick control (lol) this ends with shepard killing himself
the catalyst tells you to pick synthesis (LOL) this ends with shepard killing himself
every ally you've had tells you to pick destroy, shepard survives



herp ****ing derp

On top of that there is the last dream that shep has were we see shepard hugging the catalsyt and burning.

Its a warning from his subconscious telling him not to trust the kid.

If you side with the kid (control/synthesis) you are trusting him and then burning up.  

[liggy002]

KevShep wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

a reaper controlled TiM tells you to pick control (lol) this ends with shepard killing himself
the catalyst tells you to pick synthesis (LOL) this ends with shepard killing himself
every ally you've had tells you to pick destroy, shepard survives



herp ****ing derp

On top of that there is the last dream that shep has were we see shepard hugging the catalsyt and burning.

Its a warning from his subconscious telling him not to trust the kid.

If you side with the kid (control/synthesis) you are trusting him and then burning up.  

"You are embracing your own destruction"

[KevShep]

AlanC9 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Adding nonsense is not a solution.

its not nonsense, it adds up. If you cant see where it does then Iam sorry, Iam not explaning the whole IT to you.

I've read it all anyway. It doesn't get more convincing with age.

Out of idle curiosity, since you like IT, how come you aren't happier with the game?

Alot of reasons, like...

1. having the crucible plans come out of nowhere when Admiral Hackett tells you to go get them (even though he could have gotten the before he left but then wants you to do it as your running for your life from the reapers). Not to mention that Liara and Cerberus are there AT THE SAME TIME for some reason when there was plenty of time before the reaper invation.

2.Catalyst logic, need I say more.

3. the last 10 mintues is just so f****ing stupid.

those are the main ones.

[Sundance31us]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Sundance31us wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Why are you telling me this?

It isn’t directed specifically to you; I am adding it to the thread for reference because you brought up that part of the conversation.

You missed his joke. That's what Shepard says to Vendetta next in that conversation.

LOL I did miss it.

[Iconoclaste]

KevShep wrote...

On top of that there is the last dream that shep has were we see shepard hugging the catalsyt and burning.

Its a warning from his subconscious telling him not to trust the kid.

If you side with the kid (control/synthesis) you are trusting him and then burning up.  

Can you explain why the Reapers could not achieve a similar kid "appearance" in the end as they achieved in the dreams, since they had "improved indoctrination" compared with the Leviathan, which had no problem showing "vivid persons" to Shepard? Cosmetic fancy from the "intelligence" ?

[Samtheman63]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

a reaper controlled TiM tells you to pick control (lol) this ends with shepard killing himself
the catalyst tells you to pick synthesis (LOL) this ends with shepard killing himself
every ally you've had tells you to pick destroy, shepard survives



herp ****ing derp

Hehe, nice ploy to change the subject away from how you were wrong about what the VI says. 

you cant be serious

a group of indoctrinated protheans wanted to control the reapers rather than destroy, they sabotaged the crucible and that is ultimatly what ****ed everything up


HINT HINT

[liggy002]

Samtheman63 wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

a reaper controlled TiM tells you to pick control (lol) this ends with shepard killing himself
the catalyst tells you to pick synthesis (LOL) this ends with shepard killing himself
every ally you've had tells you to pick destroy, shepard survives



herp ****ing derp

Hehe, nice ploy to change the subject away from how you were wrong about what the VI says. 

you cant be serious

a group of indoctrinated protheans wanted to control the reapers rather than destroy, they sabotaged the crucible and that is ultimatly what ****ed everything up


HINT HINT

And Ashley even says, when you bring her along to Thessia, sounds like history is repeating itself.

[His Name was HYR!!]

Samtheman63 wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

a reaper controlled TiM tells you to pick control (lol) this ends with shepard killing himself
the catalyst tells you to pick synthesis (LOL) this ends with shepard killing himself
every ally you've had tells you to pick destroy, shepard survives



herp ****ing derp

Hehe, nice ploy to change the subject away from how you were wrong about what the VI says. 

you cant be serious

a group of indoctrinated protheans wanted to control the reapers rather than destroy, they sabotaged the crucible and that is ultimatly what ****ed everything up


HINT HINT

Just like how Indoctrinated TIM/Cerberus directed all their efforts toward the Crucible, not working independetly from it, right??


HINT HINT 

[Iconoclaste]

Samtheman63 wrote...


a group of indoctrinated protheans wanted to control the reapers rather than destroy, they sabotaged the crucible and that is ultimatly what ****ed everything up

Can't be : the Protheans didn't have time to "deploy the Crucible". Most likely, what was "sabotaged" was the "war effort" just like in the present cycle Cerberus did not set foot around the "Crucible construction grounds" but did everything they could to hamper progress of the Alliance.

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 30 septembre 2012 - 05:50 .

[KevShep]

Iconoclaste wrote...

KevShep wrote...

On top of that there is the last dream that shep has were we see shepard hugging the catalsyt and burning.

Its a warning from his subconscious telling him not to trust the kid.

If you side with the kid (control/synthesis) you are trusting him and then burning up.  

Can you explain why the Reapers could not achieve a similar kid "appearance" in the end as they achieved in the dreams, since they had "improved indoctrination" compared with the Leviathan, which had no problem showing "vivid persons" to Shepard? Cosmetic fancy from the "intelligence" ?

We see that kid in dreams along with oily shadows that are surrounding the kid(reference to ME1 about indoctrination). Its the same kid from his dream which most likey means that the dreams are the resolt of the reapers in his mind.

[liggy002]

Ok, wise guys... explain to me why we didn't hear the kid crawling away in the vent. It seemed to me that he just up and vanished.

[Samtheman63]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

a reaper controlled TiM tells you to pick control (lol) this ends with shepard killing himself
the catalyst tells you to pick synthesis (LOL) this ends with shepard killing himself
every ally you've had tells you to pick destroy, shepard survives



herp ****ing derp

Hehe, nice ploy to change the subject away from how you were wrong about what the VI says. 

you cant be serious

a group of indoctrinated protheans wanted to control the reapers rather than destroy, they sabotaged the crucible and that is ultimatly what ****ed everything up


HINT HINT

Just like how Indoctrinated TIM/Cerberus directed all their efforts toward the Crucible, not working independetly from it, right??


HINT HINT 

no, TiM isnt shown to be fully indoctrinated until the end of the game, so it would make sense that he would be working seperatly rather than being one of the "sleeper agents"


But the fact still remains, a reaper controlled TiM tells you to pick control, this means the reapers are telling you to pick control.  And the catalyst, the one responsbile for a few trillion deaths, tells you to pick synthesis.

and you do? unbelievable

[Iconoclaste]

I know this subject was addressed somewhere before, but since we see the "handles" and tubes on the "decision platform", those things would have been huge "hints" that something went besides plans after the Crucible was finished. that's why these "handles" would rather be part of the Citadel... I don't know if what I write is clear, but anyway you look at it, since "control" was never the intent by the Protheans (non-indoc ones), why would there be "obvious handles" on the device? And if "Control" had succesfully been "sabotaged" into the construct, how come nobody reacted to these handles (if on the device, repeating myself here) or, even better, how come nobody on the Citadel ever noticed these things protuding from the underside of the Presidium Tower?

"Look guys, handles! Just there, on the ground! I wonder what they're for? Oh, never mind...." Centuries went by, and nobody ever had a closer look?

[Kataphrut94]

There is a rather obvious counter-point to this idiocy, namely that people who pick the Control option quite clearly get an ending in which they control the Reapers. This comes with no strings attached unless you did a low-EMS playthrough. Exactly the same as with Synthesis, which people also seem to think is an evil trap despite the blinding evidence to the contrary. Destroy is the option that is easiest to get the "ruin Earth" ending and even the best version of it still has you committing genocide, so I don't see why people think it's the one with the moral high ground.

Also, while Vendetta mentions indoctrinated spies wanting to use it for Control ala Cerberus, he also mentions that the protheans were never able to use their Crucible as a result of the indoctrinated infighting. The Illusive Man never touched our version of it and it's not until we meet the Catalyst that we learn it can actually be done, more or less by the one in charge leaving the keys in the ignition for us as it were.

[Iconoclaste]

KevShep wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

KevShep wrote...

On top of that there is the last dream that shep has were we see shepard hugging the catalsyt and burning.

Its a warning from his subconscious telling him not to trust the kid.

If you side with the kid (control/synthesis) you are trusting him and then burning up.  

Can you explain why the Reapers could not achieve a similar kid "appearance" in the end as they achieved in the dreams, since they had "improved indoctrination" compared with the Leviathan, which had no problem showing "vivid persons" to Shepard? Cosmetic fancy from the "intelligence" ?

We see that kid in dreams along with oily shadows that are surrounding the kid(reference to ME1 about indoctrination). Its the same kid from his dream which most likey means that the dreams are the resolt of the reapers in his mind.

That doesn't explain why the kid looks like a "hologram" in the ending, while the Leviathan can easily make "perfect illusions" even without the "advanced indoc powers" that the Reapers have.