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[Emzamination]

TheBlackAdder13 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Filament wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Arl eamon was on the side lines throwing mean looks in the bannorn.He wasn't in the thick of battle cutting down darkspawn or loghain soldiers.

Not true, he shows up personally in the battle against the Archdemon.

Wow he showed up for one fight throughout the entirety of the game and suddenly he's a battle scarred veteran? Grasping at straws fila...

Chicka what? He fights in the Battle of Denerim, the battle to stop the blight before it destoryes Ferelden and personally helped slay the archdemon in the thick of battle cutting down darkspawn. That's not one small, insignificant fight so no, he wasn't on the side lines at all like you first asserted. 

See this post - link

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Emzamination wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Well I have only 1 playthrough of it and haven't played it since it came out. And this isn't my main profile anyway.

You can't argue Isabela's character or anyone elses for that matter with only one playthrough. Smh...Of all the...

I don't understand? How can I not?

You haven't played from enough viewpoints especially if isabela was unromanced in that playthrough.You are arguing on very low ground.

But the point of this thread was if previous LI should be available to new PC. Not about how much I understand Isabella. Plus your topic title talks about Dead Warden so how I don't know how we got Isabella involved.

Isabela is a previous LI as she can be romanced by hawke in Da2

Then change the title or something because it clearly has "ultimate sacrifice wardens?" in it and last time I checked, the Warden LI's are Leliana, Morrigan, Alistair and Zevran.

[Emzamination]

strive wrote...

That may no longer be an option.David has inadvertently solidified isabela's return. - Link

We could learn her name through future comics via a dialogue with Varic or something. I don't see how that Q/A confirms she is coming back via video game.

Comics are in no way canon.

[mousestalker]

Emzamination wrote...

strive wrote...

That may no longer be an option.David has inadvertently solidified isabela's return. - Link

We could learn her name through future comics via a dialogue with Varic or something. I don't see how that Q/A confirms she is coming back via video game.

Comics are in no way canon.

Flat pronouncements are invalid on weekends.

[Huntress]

Emzamination wrote...

I'm torn on this subject...On one hand I want my LI to mourn my warden into old age and beyond never being able to love another again but on the other hand...I realize that maybe I'm being selfish and they should be able to possibly move on to find new happiness with the new protagonist should they appear in Da3 seeing as my dead warden can no longer provide the succor for the heart and soul they require.

Lamens terms:  While I want leliana to move on, I can't help but feel she'd still be unfaithful to my warden if she were to potentially get romantically involved with this new girl even tho my warden's dead.

Thoughts?

For how long you want Leliana to mourn the warden? After DA2 it had pass 7 years since the Archdemon was defeted.

How in Thedas??... How if the warden has been DEAD for 7 years  how does Leliana betray him or her if she wants to re-start her life?
Dead is dead last I heard, or  maybe you want leliana to bath, feed and dress the warden corpse until she dies?
am I right?
Or maybe Leliana should carry around a picture of the warden and talk to it before going to sleep, make room in the table for the picture and tell the inn keeper: "today s/he pays"? that sound as how Alistair saw her anyway. carry on.

[Emzamination]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Well I have only 1 playthrough of it and haven't played it since it came out. And this isn't my main profile anyway.

You can't argue Isabela's character or anyone elses for that matter with only one playthrough. Smh...Of all the...

I don't understand? How can I not?

You haven't played from enough viewpoints especially if isabela was unromanced in that playthrough.You are arguing on very low ground.

But the point of this thread was if previous LI should be available to new PC. Not about how much I understand Isabella. Plus your topic title talks about Dead Warden so how I don't know how we got Isabella involved.

Isabela is a previous LI as she can be romanced by hawke in Da2

Then change the title or something because it clearly has "ultimate sacrifice wardens?" in it and last time I checked, the Warden LI's are Leliana, Morrigan, Alistair and Zevran.

Au you forgot how we started talking about isabela - Link

[Emzamination]

mousestalker wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

strive wrote...

That may no longer be an option.David has inadvertently solidified isabela's return. - Link

We could learn her name through future comics via a dialogue with Varic or something. I don't see how that Q/A confirms she is coming back via video game.

Comics are in no way canon.

Flat pronouncements are invalid on weekends.

It's Fact that the comics are not canon 

[Emzamination]

[quote]Huntress wrote...


For how long you want Leliana to mourn the warden? After DA2 it had pass 7 years since the Archdemon was defeted. [/quote]

Forever possibly

[quote] How in Thedas??... How if the warden has been DEAD for 7 years  how does Leliana betray him or her if she wants to re-start her life? [/quote]

Leliana did proclaim that the warden was the love of her life so finding a new person to fill that gap could be seen as a betrayal.


[quote]Dead is dead last I heard, or  maybe you want leliana to bath, feed and dress the warden corpse until she dies?
am I right? [/quote]

Mourning at the warden's tomb in orlais every few months works just as well.

[quote] Or maybe Leliana should carry around a picture of the warden and talk to it before going to sleep, make room in the table for the picture and tell the inn keeper: "today s/he pays"? that sound as how Alistair saw her anyway. carry on. [/quote]

This is mockery but not a bad Idea whatsoever.





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[guardian_titan]

Expecting someone to remain faithful to someone who died 10 years previous is very selfish.    Things change and people move on.  Mourning someone long after they're gone while moving on to someone else is fully possible.  You don't have to up and forget those who died when you move on.  We continue to remember them and use those memories to fuel us going forward.  If we all mourned someone and didn't move past them, we'd never remarry after a death or a divorce.  For pet lovers, they'd never get another pet after the first one died.  We'd never make attachments because we'd be afraid of losing them.  Such is life.  We get through it and we move on.  Only the selfish wouldn't want those left behind to move on.  And I very much doubt the Warden wouldn't have wanted their love interest to remain locked in the past.  It's often said that if you truly love something, you know you have to let it go.  Move on but don't forget.  Don't dwell on the past, move forward.  Time heals all wounds.  There's so many ways to put it.

Should past love interests be available in DA3?  Possibly if they're done tastefully.  Just having them pop in for a one-nighter isn't my idea of being tasteful ... well, except for Zevran and Isabela.  They should acknowledge they had a relationship with the Warden but also state that they've moved past that.  The only time an old companion should be locked out of a romance is if they're still with the Warden (or Hawke).  A Warden who married Alistair should lock out Alistair from being a romance option although he could still be available to flirt with, but a Warden who died shouldn't lock out Alistair at all even if he married Anora.  Like father, like son.  Somehow if Maric or Cailan weren't faithful to Rowan or Anora, I doubt Alistair would be faithful to Anora, either.    Begs the question if he'd be loyal to the Warden ultimately as a result, but this isn't on Alistair anyway.  Having old companions moping over the Warden having done the ultimate sacrifice 10 years earlier is also a bit lacking when it comes to the story.  From all indications, every companion moved on after DAO so why should they suddenly do a 180 10 years later?  Frankly, life's too short.  If your Warden died, that's in the past.  Let the companions move on and not be stuck in it.  If anything, most of them should be married or in a relationship with someone, possibly even have a kid or two by DA3. 

[BanksHector]

So you want her to suffer and mourn the rest of her life instead of moving pass the fact that you could of saved yourself but chose not to? I mean if you felt so strongly about the love for her you should of done watever it took to get back to her, so no I do not see it as any type of betrayal since you had options that would of kept you 2 together.

[Masha Potato]

great, one more unreadable pyramid quote topic

[CuriousArtemis]

I think this would depend on the writers' interpretation of each character. Some would remain devoted to a memory, while others would be practical and understand that it's okay to move on.

[jackofalltrades456]

Huntress wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

I'm torn on this subject...On one hand I want my LI to mourn my warden into old age and beyond never being able to love another again but on the other hand...I realize that maybe I'm being selfish and they should be able to possibly move on to find new happiness with the new protagonist should they appear in Da3 seeing as my dead warden can no longer provide the succor for the heart and soul they require.

Lamens terms: While I want leliana to move on, I can't help but feel she'd still be unfaithful to my warden if she were to potentially get romantically involved with this new girl even tho my warden's dead.

Thoughts?

For how long you want Leliana to mourn the warden? After DA2 it had pass 7 years since the Archdemon was defeted.

How in Thedas??... How if the warden has been DEAD for 7 years how does Leliana betray him or her if she wants to re-start her life?
Dead is dead last I heard, or maybe you want leliana to bath, feed and dress the warden corpse until she dies?
am I right?
Or maybe Leliana should carry around a picture of the warden and talk to it before going to sleep, make room in the table for the picture and tell the inn keeper: "today s/he pays"? that sound as how Alistair saw her anyway. carry on.

Well..

Leliana seems to be the type of person that struggles getting over traumatic events. She still seemed a bit traumatized over the betrayal of her first love, Marjolaine. She was even suicidal over the death of the Warden for her epilogue before the retcons happened.

Even her romance itself shows how clingy she was . All Leliana talks about is how she wants to be by the Warden's side. Even that whole Alindra story was really just her asking the Warden if he/she believes in eternal love.

[Dragoonlordz]

I want any returning character that was an LI of either my Warden or Hawke to reference and mention them in a positive and respectable way. Isabella for example was my Hawkes LI. In one playthrough Leliana was my Wardens LI and in another Morrigan was my Wardens LI. Depending if any previous LI's are in DA3. Hawke might be more forgettable due to the forced plot from DA2 where he was mostly reactionary in the story. However my Warden I expect to be remembered till the end of time.

I do not expect them to never mention my Warden or Hawke (even Isabella I would expect a mention about Hawke though I would hold it less against her if she did sleep with the new protaganist than for example Morrigan or Lelianna). I know my Warden might be dead, my Hawke ran away with Isabella but I atleast expect them to remember the time they shared. I don't think needs to go over all the tiny details but acknowledge that they were together if any LI had been with previous character from DAO or DA2.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 30 septembre 2012 - 07:03 .

[SafetyShattered]

I guess it really just depends on each characters unique situation. If there is a legitimate excuse for that particular character to no longer be with my warden then I'd be ok with them romancing the new protagonist.

[Emzamination]

guardian_titan wrote...

Expecting someone to remain faithful to someone who died 10 years previous is very selfish.    Things change and people move on.  Mourning someone long after they're gone while moving on to someone else is fully possible.  You don't have to up and forget those who died when you move on.  We continue to remember them and use those memories to fuel us going forward.  If we all mourned someone and didn't move past them, we'd never remarry after a death or a divorce.  For pet lovers, they'd never get another pet after the first one died.  We'd never make attachments because we'd be afraid of losing them.  Such is life.  We get through it and we move on.  Only the selfish wouldn't want those left behind to move on.  And I very much doubt the Warden wouldn't have wanted their love interest to remain locked in the past.  It's often said that if you truly love something, you know you have to let it go.  Move on but don't forget.  Don't dwell on the past, move forward.  Time heals all wounds.  There's so many ways to put it.

Should past love interests be available in DA3?  Possibly if they're done tastefully.  Just having them pop in for a one-nighter isn't my idea of being tasteful ... well, except for Zevran and Isabela.  They should acknowledge they had a relationship with the Warden but also state that they've moved past that.  The only time an old companion should be locked out of a romance is if they're still with the Warden (or Hawke).  A Warden who married Alistair should lock out Alistair from being a romance option although he could still be available to flirt with, but a Warden who died shouldn't lock out Alistair at all even if he married Anora.  Like father, like son.  Somehow if Maric or Cailan weren't faithful to Rowan or Anora, I doubt Alistair would be faithful to Anora, either.    Begs the question if he'd be loyal to the Warden ultimately as a result, but this isn't on Alistair anyway.  Having old companions moping over the Warden having done the ultimate sacrifice 10 years earlier is also a bit lacking when it comes to the story.  From all indications, every companion moved on after DAO so why should they suddenly do a 180 10 years later?  Frankly, life's too short.  If your Warden died, that's in the past.  Let the companions move on and not be stuck in it.  If anything, most of them should be married or in a relationship with someone, possibly even have a kid or two by DA3. 

While I agree that it is a selfish thing to want...watching the warden's LI call another their new lover cheapens the title and memories because it's no longer something special and exclusive they and the warden share.

Also every Past Li in Da2 was heartbroken over the warden's death, even zevran.He turned down sex to mourn.

[Iosev]

For me, I don't really care whether she returns as a companion, love interest, quest giver, or even a small cameo appearance, I would be simply happy to see Isabela again, as she has become one of my favorite Bioware characters.

In my main DA 2 playthrough, I pretend Hawke and Isabela have an agreement that if either were to meet another Thedosian hero, and the other isn't available for a threesome, then they're free to get it on (sort of like the list in the TV series Friends).

As for a Warden who sacrificed himself or herself in DA:O, I personally wouldn't mind if his or her love interest moved on and becomes a LI for the next protagonist.  In general, however, I prefer the love interests to be new, or at least expanded, characters.

Modifié par arcelonious, 30 septembre 2012 - 07:22 .

[Emzamination]

BanksHector wrote...

So you want her to suffer and mourn the rest of her life instead of moving pass the fact that you could of saved yourself but chose not to? I mean if you felt so strongly about the love for her you should of done watever it took to get back to her, so no I do not see it as any type of betrayal since you had options that would of kept you 2 together.

What choice? End the fifth blight but potentially endanger ferelden by bringing some unknown god variable into it? or end the 5th blight once and for all? My warden chose honour and duty over her own selfish mortal desires but that does not mean there was no regret in the end.There was no other way for me anyway.

Modifié par Emzamination, 30 septembre 2012 - 07:21 .

[FINE HERE]

I'm more interested in seeing new characters. Romancing old ones seems like it'll just be a repeat of the romance from the 1st or 2nd games. I'd rather they're either still with the warden/hawke or their love life never comes up.

[Dragoonlordz]

arcelonious wrote...

For me, I don't really care whether she returns as a companion, love interest, quest giver, or even a small cameo appearance, I would be simply happy to see Isabela again, as she has become one of my favorite Bioware characters.

In my main DA 2 playthrough, I pretend Hawke and Isabela have an agreement that if either were to meet another Thedosian hero, and the other isn't available for a threesome, then they're free to get it on (sort of like the list in the TV series Friends).

Isabela to me is the sort who would not mourn someone for long unlike Morrigan and Leliana I think are. Isabela even though was with my Hawke still wanted to bonk Zevran on that beach (my Hawke joined in to the dismay of Bethany and Merrill who were nearby waiting). I would still like Isabela to mention Hawke if she is in DA3, Leliana and Morrigan however I would want more reference and mention from them about my Warden than I would expect from Isabela about Hawke.

[Zjarcal]

It's your own fault for killing yourself, let Morri get her dark ritual bang bangz and you'll be happily enjoying Leliana's caramel pudding for ever and ever. But noooo, you had to choose "honor".

Also, if your warden is dead she probably hooked up with the Divine. 

Modifié par Zjarcal, 30 septembre 2012 - 07:33 .

[Gallimatia]

Emzamination wrote...

Filament wrote...

Emzamination wrote...


Wow he showed up for one fight throughout the entirety of the game and suddenly he's a battle scarred veteran?

lol. The most important fight in the entirety of the game, yes. I should have thought it was painfully obvious that there are plenty of roles for plot important characters that don't necessarily include being so close to the PC that they'll want to scrog, but apparently you just want to nitpick your way away from that fact.

He appeared at the top of fort draken killing darkspawn aided by an army while the warden took out the archdemon.That is not fighting in the trenches and in the thick of battle.The warden fought thousands of darkspawn/dragons ect all across ferelden with only his/her few companions.

I beg to differ.

[Masha Potato]

Zjarcal wrote...

Also, if your warden is dead she probably hooked up with the Divine. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/surprised.png[/smilie]

scandalous

Modifié par Masha Potato, 30 septembre 2012 - 07:41 .

[BanksHector]

Emzamination wrote...

BanksHector wrote...

So you want her to suffer and mourn the rest of her life instead of moving pass the fact that you could of saved yourself but chose not to? I mean if you felt so strongly about the love for her you should of done watever it took to get back to her, so no I do not see it as any type of betrayal since you had options that would of kept you 2 together.

What choice? End the fifth blight but potentially endanger ferelden by bringing some unknown god variable into it? or end the 5th blight once and for all? My warden chose honour and duty over her own selfish mortal desires but that does not mean there was no regret in the end.There was no other way for me anyway.

Loghain or Alistair could of also ended the 5th Blight so you had choices on ending it that did not require you to die or have the OGB. Once you made that choice that it was going to be you, I believe you gave up that right to call it a betrayal when she moves on with her life. They have the right to move on and be happy in life.

[King Cousland]

It really does depend on the character. I could see Leliana moving on but always keeping the Warden dear to her heart (she kept Marjolaine with her after all). I think Alistair would be consumed by grief for years but slowly move forward, maybe never falling in love again though. Zev got over Rinna, so he may get over the Warden. Oddly enough, the only LI I see remaining faithful to her love (either through death or separation) is Morrigan.