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[Emzamination]

Gallimatia wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Filament wrote...

Emzamination wrote...


Wow he showed up for one fight throughout the entirety of the game and suddenly he's a battle scarred veteran?

lol. The most important fight in the entirety of the game, yes. I should have thought it was painfully obvious that there are plenty of roles for plot important characters that don't necessarily include being so close to the PC that they'll want to scrog, but apparently you just want to nitpick your way away from that fact.

He appeared at the top of fort draken killing darkspawn aided by an army while the warden took out the archdemon.That is not fighting in the trenches and in the thick of battle.The warden fought thousands of darkspawn/dragons ect all across ferelden with only his/her few companions.

I beg to differ.

I can't tell if you're being serious or not

[Emzamination]

Masha Potato wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

Also, if your warden is dead she probably hooked up with the Divine. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/surprised.png[/smilie]

scandalous

That's quite enough thread derailment out of you.Participate or off you go potato.

[Gallimatia]

I'm serious he was in the thick of battle.

[Masha Potato]

gosh i'm shaking in terror

[whykikyouwhy]

Emzamination wrote...

Masha Potato wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

Also, if your warden is dead she probably hooked up with the Divine. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/surprised.png[/smilie]

scandalous

That's quite enough thread derailment out of you.Participate or off you go potato.

I don't see how that is thread derailment. One poster provided a theory. Another responded to it. 

It is a deliciously scandalous idea. The relationship between Leliana and the Divine hasn't been explored much. Might make for an interesting tale.

[Emzamination]

BanksHector wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

BanksHector wrote...

So you want her to suffer and mourn the rest of her life instead of moving pass the fact that you could of saved yourself but chose not to? I mean if you felt so strongly about the love for her you should of done watever it took to get back to her, so no I do not see it as any type of betrayal since you had options that would of kept you 2 together.

What choice? End the fifth blight but potentially endanger ferelden by bringing some unknown god variable into it? or end the 5th blight once and for all? My warden chose honour and duty over her own selfish mortal desires but that does not mean there was no regret in the end.There was no other way for me anyway.

Loghain or Alistair could of also ended the 5th Blight so you had choices on ending it that did not require you to die or have the OGB. Once you made that choice that it was going to be you, I believe you gave up that right to call it a betrayal when she moves on with her life. They have the right to move on and be happy in life.

To keep loghain would require stabbing Alistair in the back which is a no go for people who've stuck by you for me anyway.And one does not send their king to their death...well maybe a coward but I digress.I know alternatives existed but that doesn't necessarily make them right or safe for that matter.

[Emzamination]

Gallimatia wrote...

I'm serious he was in the thick of battle.

He's being chewed by the archdemon...That's about as canon as leliana getting her head chopped off.

[BanksHector]

Emzamination wrote...

BanksHector wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

BanksHector wrote...

So you want her to suffer and mourn the rest of her life instead of moving pass the fact that you could of saved yourself but chose not to? I mean if you felt so strongly about the love for her you should of done watever it took to get back to her, so no I do not see it as any type of betrayal since you had options that would of kept you 2 together.

What choice? End the fifth blight but potentially endanger ferelden by bringing some unknown god variable into it? or end the 5th blight once and for all? My warden chose honour and duty over her own selfish mortal desires but that does not mean there was no regret in the end.There was no other way for me anyway.

Loghain or Alistair could of also ended the 5th Blight so you had choices on ending it that did not require you to die or have the OGB. Once you made that choice that it was going to be you, I believe you gave up that right to call it a betrayal when she moves on with her life. They have the right to move on and be happy in life.

To keep loghain would require stabbing Alistair in the back which is a no go for people who've stuck by you for me anyway.And one does not send their king to their death...well maybe a coward but I digress.I know alternatives existed but that doesn't necessarily make them right or safe for that matter.

I am not saying what is right or wrong. I am just stating that I have a hard time calling it a betrayal  and why I believe that.

[MichaelStuart]

I don't believe past love interests should be locked out.

[Emzamination]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Masha Potato wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

Also, if your warden is dead she probably hooked up with the Divine. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/surprised.png[/smilie]

scandalous

That's quite enough thread derailment out of you.Participate or off you go potato.

I don't see how that is thread derailment. One poster provided a theory. Another responded to it. 

It is a deliciously scandalous idea. The relationship between Leliana and the Divine hasn't been explored much. Might make for an interesting tale.

It's thread derailment when said poster has provided nothing to the topic at hand. - Link

I think we (or I) know that doesn't fly with mods.

Modifié par Emzamination, 30 septembre 2012 - 07:57 .

[whykikyouwhy]

Emzamination wrote...

It's thread derailment when said poster has provided nothing to the topic at hand. - Link

I think we (or I) know that doesn't fly with mods.

This thread has covered a variety of theories and opinions, some of which are only remotely related to the thread title - including the discussion on Isabela, who never was a LI of the Warden.

If you want to steer the topic back on track, that's fine. But it might be best to do so without shooing someone away with "off you go" - that doesn't really do much to promote solid discourse. *shrug*

[Emzamination]

BanksHector wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

BanksHector wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

BanksHector wrote...

So you want her to suffer and mourn the rest of her life instead of moving pass the fact that you could of saved yourself but chose not to? I mean if you felt so strongly about the love for her you should of done watever it took to get back to her, so no I do not see it as any type of betrayal since you had options that would of kept you 2 together.

What choice? End the fifth blight but potentially endanger ferelden by bringing some unknown god variable into it? or end the 5th blight once and for all? My warden chose honour and duty over her own selfish mortal desires but that does not mean there was no regret in the end.There was no other way for me anyway.

Loghain or Alistair could of also ended the 5th Blight so you had choices on ending it that did not require you to die or have the OGB. Once you made that choice that it was going to be you, I believe you gave up that right to call it a betrayal when she moves on with her life. They have the right to move on and be happy in life.

To keep loghain would require stabbing Alistair in the back which is a no go for people who've stuck by you for me anyway.And one does not send their king to their death...well maybe a coward but I digress.I know alternatives existed but that doesn't necessarily make them right or safe for that matter.

I am not saying what is right or wrong. I am just stating that I have a hard time calling it a betrayal  and why I believe that.

 It's betrayal on her part because she proclaimed the warden the love her life.To move on to another is a blantant betrayal on an emotional level.

[Teddie Sage]

"It's betrayal---" *snip*

Moving on to anything isn't a betrayal to me, if the love interest died many years ago. Different morals for different people.

[Emzamination]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

It's thread derailment when said poster has provided nothing to the topic at hand. - Link

I think we (or I) know that doesn't fly with mods.

This thread has covered a variety of theories and opinions, some of which are only remotely related to the thread title - including the discussion on Isabela, who never was a LI of the Warden.

If you want to steer the topic back on track, that's fine. But it might be best to do so without shooing someone away with "off you go" - that doesn't really do much to promote solid discourse. *shrug*

With the exception of isabela which was finished awhile ago, the topic has been on track.

I said participate oroff you go.

[upsettingshorts]

In a word, no.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 30 septembre 2012 - 08:09 .

[Emzamination]

Teddie Sage wrote...

"It's betrayal---" *snip*

Moving on to anything isn't a betrayal to me, if the love interest died many years ago. Different morals for different people.

I... that's a vague answer with vague reasoning but you restricted it to yourself so not much more I can say

[Kidd]

It sounds like a huge waste of zots to create romance content that will only be available to those who did not romance a certain LI in a past game (with a few specific lines for those who -did- romance a now-dead warden). Not that I'm against the LIs moving on - it's just a matter of resource management.

[legbamel]

Knight of Dane wrote...
I don't want old LI back. If I want to romance them over again I can just boot up DA:O or 2.

My guess is that Leliana and perhaps Morrigan might act as quest givers, but I very strongly doubt they will be companions. And if they are then I don't want them romanceable.

This.  For a new protagonist I want new companions and new romances, even if they've been previously introduced like Cullen and Cassandra.

I'm going to die laughing if all of our companions have C names. 

[BanksHector]

Emzamination wrote...

BanksHector wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

BanksHector wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

BanksHector wrote...

So you want her to suffer and mourn the rest of her life instead of moving pass the fact that you could of saved yourself but chose not to? I mean if you felt so strongly about the love for her you should of done watever it took to get back to her, so no I do not see it as any type of betrayal since you had options that would of kept you 2 together.

What choice? End the fifth blight but potentially endanger ferelden by bringing some unknown god variable into it? or end the 5th blight once and for all? My warden chose honour and duty over her own selfish mortal desires but that does not mean there was no regret in the end.There was no other way for me anyway.

Loghain or Alistair could of also ended the 5th Blight so you had choices on ending it that did not require you to die or have the OGB. Once you made that choice that it was going to be you, I believe you gave up that right to call it a betrayal when she moves on with her life. They have the right to move on and be happy in life.

To keep loghain would require stabbing Alistair in the back which is a no go for people who've stuck by you for me anyway.And one does not send their king to their death...well maybe a coward but I digress.I know alternatives existed but that doesn't necessarily make them right or safe for that matter.

I am not saying what is right or wrong. I am just stating that I have a hard time calling it a betrayal  and why I believe that.

 It's betrayal on her part because she proclaimed the warden the love her life.To move on to another is a blantant betrayal on an emotional level.

To you maybe, but i believe most people should understand that you have to move on after time. I think it is very selfish for someone to not want someone to move on. If you truely loved them then I would hope that you would want them to be happy in the end, but as I can see some people think that is a betrayal.

[upsettingshorts]

BanksHector wrote...

To you maybe, but i believe most people should understand that you have to move on after time. I think it is very selfish for someone to not want someone to move on. If you truely loved them then I would hope that you would want them to be happy in the end, but as I can see some people think that is a betrayal.

Sad, narcissistic, possessive, selfish, judgemental, emotionally immature people, sure.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 30 septembre 2012 - 08:18 .

[jackofalltrades456]

If the Warden is still alive? Yes lock that **** down tight.

If he's dead? No, but you need to convince them to move on.

[Emzamination]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

BanksHector wrote...

To you maybe, but i believe most people should understand that you have to move on after time. I think it is very selfish for someone to not want someone to move on. If you truely loved them then I would hope that you would want them to be happy in the end, but as I can see some people think that is a betrayal.

Sad, narcissistic, possessive, selfish, judgemental, emotionally immature people, sure.

^ sooo much this

Thank you, shorts

Modifié par Emzamination, 30 septembre 2012 - 08:24 .

[upsettingshorts]

Emzamination wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

BanksHector wrote...

To you maybe, but i believe most people should understand that you have to move on after time. I think it is very selfish for someone to not want someone to move on. If you truely loved them then I would hope that you would want them to be happy in the end, but as I can see some people think that is a betrayal.

Sad, narcissistic, possessive, selfish, judgemental, emotionally immature people, sure.

^ sooo much this

Thank you, shorts

I was talking about the folks who were against Leliana (or anyone) moving on from their dead spouse or lover, categorizing that as a betrayal.

I'm also categorically against locking out romances solely because they were romanced (or romance-able) in previous installments by previous protagonists.  I don't care if said previous protagonist is alive or dead.  

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 30 septembre 2012 - 08:26 .

[Emzamination]

jackofalltrades456 wrote...

If the Warden is still alive? Yes lock that **** down tight.

If he's dead? No, but you need to convince them to move on.

^ This is really the best thing to do.

[Emzamination]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

BanksHector wrote...

To you maybe, but i believe most people should understand that you have to move on after time. I think it is very selfish for someone to not want someone to move on. If you truely loved them then I would hope that you would want them to be happy in the end, but as I can see some people think that is a betrayal.

Sad, narcissistic, possessive, selfish, judgemental, emotionally immature people, sure.

^ sooo much this

Thank you, shorts

I was talking about the folks who were against Leliana (or anyone) moving on from their dead spouse or lover, categorizing that as a betrayal.

I'm also categorically against locking out romances solely because they were romanced (or romance-able) in previous installments by previous protagonists.  

Yes, I gathered as much.

Again thank you, shorts.