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[Dhiro]

The only reason why I wouldn't think LIs should move on with their lives and find happiness with DA III's player character would be because I'd like new romance options.

That said, if BioWare decides to go that route I won't really mind.

[BENIIICHAT]

If Dragon Age III begin after Dragon Age II. I don't think it's a good idea to bring back DAO's LI as DAIII's LI. Because it almost 10 years from DAO and that mean All of them is 30-40 years old. You don't think it too old for DAIII PC?!.

Beside, I don't want to become 40 old man in DAIII or other game.

And Yes. I support faithful especially if his/her love is still alive.

Modifié par BENIIICHAT, 01 octobre 2012 - 01:50 .

[LPPrince]

New romance options please. Leave the romance options of past games just that- the romance options of past games.

They can return, sure. But don't involve them in romance.

[Pacifien]

jackofalltrades456 wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...
The thread wasn't asking:

"Should past love interests go on vacation while you're under house arrest, soak up the rays on a Mediterranean beach, and knock up an old flame before dumping the protagonist and naming their kid after her?"

 I did find it pretty funny  that Jacob's new girlfriend wanted to name her child after his ex.

Who are these mysterious people who have romanced Jacob in throngs so large to be so up in arms over this?

[Dhiro]

BENIIICHAT wrote...

If Dragon Age III begin after Dragon Age II. I don't think it's a good idea to bring back DAO's LI as DAIII's LI. Because it almost 10 years from DAO and that mean All of them is 30-40 years old. You don't think it too old for DAIII PC?!.

Beside, I don't want to become 40 old man in DAIII or other game.

And Yes. I support faithful especially if his/her love is still alive.

Not really. Some people have been asking for older, more experient LIs for quite some time. BioWare may not think that older LIs are particularly important in the great scheme of things, but I don't think it's an unreasonable request.

[snackrat]

Epilogue trends make sense to respect (Zevran never loved again, for example). I think they've a problem here: some people will like to romance the same person again, because it's like a fresh take on the same great character. Others feel like the romance is cheapened if they're even available.

Personally, I doubt that romance options from previous games will become companions, so I've little to worry about. However, since all relationships ultimately end in commitment, regardless of how physically-oriented they started (exceptions: Morrigan, who runs away, and Isabela, depending on what you said to her - plsu Izzy is never 'commited' anyway).

[Barbantious]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

It's betrayal on her part because she proclaimed the warden the love her life.To move on to another is a blantant betrayal on an emotional level.

Is it a betrayal to the Warden, or a betrayal to Emazmination?

The same would happen if a dead Warden romanced someone in DA:O and then that person finds love anywhere else, but ESPECIALLY in the arms of a new PC. I would suggest no re-romance of prior romanceable characters. 

WHY? 

You are the only person who can decide whether or not a past character would be romanced or not, if you feel it would be better for Leliana or Zevran or Morrigan or whoever to not find love again, THEN DON'T ROMANCE THEM IN DA 3.

Keeping it out is basically saying "IT WON'T FIT WITH MY STORY EVEN THOUGH I CAN MAKE IT WORK SO YOU AREN'T ALLOWED TO BE HAPPY" 

[LPPrince]

Pacifien wrote...

jackofalltrades456 wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...
The thread wasn't asking:

"Should past love interests go on vacation while you're under house arrest, soak up the rays on a Mediterranean beach, and knock up an old flame before dumping the protagonist and naming their kid after her?"

 I did find it pretty funny  that Jacob's new girlfriend wanted to name her child after his ex.

Who are these mysterious people who have romanced Jacob in throngs so large to be so up in arms over this?

[joke]There's like, a whole five of them.[/joke]

[Maria Caliban]

BENIIICHAT wrote...

You don't think it too old for DAIII PC?!.

No, I don't think it too old.!?

[Nashimura]

Emzamination wrote...

While I agree that it is a selfish thing to want...watching the warden's LI call another their new lover cheapens the title and memories because it's no longer something special and exclusive they and the warden share.

Dont do it in the new game then....you are not forced to romance them..

Modifié par Nashimura, 01 octobre 2012 - 02:21 .

[Barbantious]

Nashimura wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

While I agree that it is a selfish thing to want...watching the warden's LI call another their new lover cheapens the title and memories because it's no longer something special and exclusive they and the warden share.

Dont do it in the new game then....you are not forced to romance them..

There really is no counter to that argument that isn't incredibly selfish. 

[Malanek]

The more interesting question would be should a returning LI be romanceable if there was no ultimate sacrifice and the players character was still very much alive.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Emzamination wrote...

I'm torn on this subject...On one hand I want my LI to mourn my warden into old age and beyond never being able to love another again but on the other hand...I realize that maybe I'm being selfish and they should be able to possibly move on to find new happiness with the new protagonist should they appear in Da3 seeing as my dead warden can no longer provide the succor for the heart and soul they require.

Lamens terms:  While I want leliana to move on, I can't help but feel she'd still be unfaithful to my warden if she were to potentially get romantically involved with this new girl even tho my warden's dead.

Thoughts?

Whatever is right for the NPC should be what they do.

But as an aside, I would find it incredibly boring if all LIs happened to be 100% faithful 'love of my life' types. There's a place for characters who are shallow and after no more than a fling, as well as for characters who are capable of moving on with their lives when they lose someone close (see Aveline).

[NedPepper]

I don't have a problem with romancing previous LIs. In fact, I think it makes it interesting. WOULD they betray Hawke or the Warden? Things change over time. It's not like you married your LI. Zevran or Isabela leaving you would actually be in character. Even Leliana. We don't know what happened to Hawke or the Warden. (This would be a good way of actually letting us know...) As long as the writing is solid, it's not big deal. (Some people get too wrapped up in romances. Why can't they be a romance that took place for a time...but for whatever reason...ended.)

[TEWR]

*comes into thread, reads the following*

Emzamination wrote...

Comics are in no way canon.

*facepalms*

They are canon. Just not strictly so. If you have a King Alistair save where Isabela wasn't handed over to the Arishok but she came back with the tome, then everything that happens in the comics is canon for that save.

For others, DA3 will (hopefully) change accordingly to reflect how the comics would've played out on those specific saves.

jackofalltrades456 wrote...

If the Warden is still alive? Yes lock that **** down tight.

If he's dead? No, but you need to convince them to move on.

My thoughts exactly.

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I've been unapologetically uncomfortable with, and critical of, these arguments ever since so many railed against Fenris hooking up with Isabela in games where their protagonist was not romancing Fenris.

Somewhat related: I was fine with Fenris and Isabela hooking up -- that seemed to be purely physical between the both of them, as opposed to a commitment -- and I was fine with the idea of Sebastian and Bethany.

But I wasn't fine with the idea of Carver and Merrill possibly hooking up -- though in fairness, it's mostly one-sided "flirting" from Carver -- because it didn't really seem like it made much sense and was only being done so the companions are with other companions -- which seems a great deal like overkill to me.

Merrill's a blood mage. Carver begins to despise blood magic after seeing it in Tarohne's quest. Add into that the fact that he'd be a Templar on one route, and that his dialogue with her in all forms seems to err more towards a physical lusting of Merrill rather then wanting a relationship...

and I'd be really opposed to the prospect of them getting together.

Which, yes, I'll admit makes me seem somewhat possessive of Merrill on one front, but on the other I oppose it from a writing perspective (IMO, anyways). Also, a somewhat emotional one, as it seems like Carver's trying to take advantage of her -- during Act 1 anyway -- after she's going through a tough time. Whereas Hawke -- a Friendly one, anyway -- actually takes the time to get to know her.

So I'm not against companions getting together with other companions in general -- Nathaniel/Velanna, Isabela/Fenris, Sebastian/Bethany -- but I don't think it should be done just for the sake of it or even overdone -- Carver/Merrill banter.

Dave of Canada wrote...

Hardly. When my father died, my mother said the same thing as she believes in an afterlife but that doesn't stop her from dating other men to seek personal happiness. It's idiotic to feel betrayed when you're dead and your loved one moves on, it's part of life

Yup, that's true. Also, Leandra. She would always love Malcolm, but wanted to find a little bit of enjoyment in the life she had left. And when she dies, she remarks that he'll get to see him again.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 01 octobre 2012 - 03:29 .

[LadyWench]

New character deserves new LI, I think. For example, it was cool how Anders showed up as a party member in Awakenings (which I'm sure we all remember was a resoundingly romance-less expansion), but played a much larger role in DA2...I personally thought the ending had an even greater impact if he'd been romanced.

Don't get me wrong, I squeed when I knew Alistair was going to make a DA2 cameo (uh...before I saw his retcon fugface, but I digress), but I probably would have been mad if Hawke would have been able to pursue anything remotely flirtatious with him. Probably how the Zev fans felt about that romance flag bug, I imagine?

Anyway, my point is that you can take previous game characters and make them romancible in DA3, but when you're carrying over old LIs to a new PC, it could get messy. Especially if there's rogue code involved.

It also gives me warm feels when a DA:O LI makes a tender reference to the Warden. Call me old-fashioned, but I like the idea of a faithful, long-term relationship among my NPCs, lol. Maybe stick to former LI cameos and give the PC someone new and awesome. BioWare is so good at creating original and unique characters, I would hate for them to limit themselves to ONLY characters they've used in the past. That's boring.

[Barbantious]

LadyWench wrote...

New character deserves new LI, I think. For example, it was cool how Anders showed up as a party member in Awakenings (which I'm sure we all remember was a resoundingly romance-less expansion), but played a much larger role in DA2...I personally thought the ending had an even greater impact if he'd been romanced.

Don't get me wrong, I squeed when I knew Alistair was going to make a DA2 cameo (uh...before I saw his retcon fugface, but I digress), but I probably would have been mad if Hawke would have been able to pursue anything remotely flirtatious with him. Probably how the Zev fans felt about that romance flag bug, I imagine?

Anyway, my point is that you can take previous game characters and make them romancible in DA3, but when you're carrying over old LIs to a new PC, it could get messy. Especially if there's rogue code involved.

It also gives me warm feels when a DA:O LI makes a tender reference to the Warden. Call me old-fashioned, but I like the idea of a faithful, long-term relationship among my NPCs, lol. Maybe stick to former LI cameos and give the PC someone new and awesome. BioWare is so good at creating original and unique characters, I would hate for them to limit themselves to ONLY characters they've used in the past. That's boring.

Then don't romance them. 

[LadyWench]

Barbantious wrote...

Then don't romance them. 

Not really the crux of my argument at all, but thanks for the constructive feedback. Tell you what, if BioWare can 100% guarantee their import flags, then by all means. I just love when they come out with new and original characters, forgive me. If you want to limit DA3's PC to only the Warden and Hawke's sloppy seconds, then go ahead and romance the living daylights out of them.

[Barbantious]

LadyWench wrote...

Barbantious wrote...

Then don't romance them. 

Not really the crux of my argument at all, but thanks for the constructive feedback. Tell you what, if BioWare can 100% guarantee their import flags, then by all means. I just love when they come out with new and original characters, forgive me. If you want to limit DA3's PC to only the Warden and Hawke's sloppy seconds, then go ahead and romance the living daylights out of them.

i love it when a game doesn't completely forget about everything that happened previously. Im not even asking for characters to return, but if they do, they shouldn't automatically be non-romanceable just to satisfy people who can't live with the option to do so even existing. 

Modifié par Barbantious, 01 octobre 2012 - 04:01 .

[LadyWench]

Barbantious wrote...

i love it when a game doesn't completely forget about everything that happened previously. Im not even asking for characters to return, but if they do, they shouldn't automatically be non-romanceable just to satisfy people who can't live with the option to do so even existing. 

LOL! I only remember offering MHO, not saying I wouldn't be able to live. Let's not make this more dramatic than it needs to be. I thought the forums were for politely discussing our opinions, even when they differ. I can see from some of your previous posts on this thread that you've gotten quite worked up about this topic for some reason.

Let me end my contribution to this discussion by saying this: whatever my small, individual opinion is, I have no doubt that whatever BioWare decides to do with the LIs, it will be the right call. Personally, I like the idea of new LIs better and they asked for the fans opinions so I gave it. I will not die in anguish if a previous LI comes back on the market. If they do, though, and it was someone my Warden romanced, for example, some sort of explanation of why/how they aren't together anymore would be nice. But again, only speculation that may or may not be moot when the game drops.

If nothing else, BioWare has ALWAYS been awesome at creating romance arcs that make me feel warm and fuzzy, sometimes even conflicted. I'm sure they will do any new PC's interests justice. And I will not only live with it, but enjoy it, no doubt.

[Barbantious]

LadyWench wrote...

Barbantious wrote...

i love it when a game doesn't completely forget about everything that happened previously. Im not even asking for characters to return, but if they do, they shouldn't automatically be non-romanceable just to satisfy people who can't live with the option to do so even existing. 

LOL! I only remember offering MHO, not saying I wouldn't be able to live. Let's not make this more dramatic than it needs to be. I thought the forums were for politely discussing our opinions, even when they differ. I can see from some of your previous posts on this thread that you've gotten quite worked up about this topic for some reason.

Let me end my contribution to this discussion by saying this: whatever my small, individual opinion is, I have no doubt that whatever BioWare decides to do with the LIs, it will be the right call. Personally, I like the idea of new LIs better and they asked for the fans opinions so I gave it. I will not die in anguish if a previous LI comes back on the market. If they do, though, and it was someone my Warden romanced, for example, some sort of explanation of why/how they aren't together anymore would be nice. But again, only speculation that may or may not be moot when the game drops.

If nothing else, BioWare has ALWAYS been awesome at creating romance arcs that make me feel warm and fuzzy, sometimes even conflicted. I'm sure they will do any new PC's interests justice. And I will not only live with it, but enjoy it, no doubt.

I said "people" not 'you' specifically. 

[bleetman]

I'm reminded of a certain comic.

I think my dead Wardens would be fine with it. Y'know, if their soul wasn't destroyed and all that.

Modifié par bleetman, 01 octobre 2012 - 04:20 .

[Mark of the Dragon]

Emzamination wrote...

whykikyouwhy wrote...

Emzamination wrote...
That may no longer be an option.David has inadvertently solidified isabela's return. - Link

That may not necessarily mean she will return. He could have been referring to that revelation being in the comics. Or maybe a codex entry in a future game. Information doesn't constitute a cameo, unfortunately.

Of course, but couple that with the fact that she can not die by any means in Da2.

She couldnt die but she could be taken by the qunari or leave and disappear with Hawke

[Mark of the Dragon]

Karsciyin wrote...

Epilogue trends make sense to respect (Zevran never loved again, for example). I think they've a problem here: some people will like to romance the same person again, because it's like a fresh take on the same great character. Others feel like the romance is cheapened if they're even available.

Personally, I doubt that romance options from previous games will become companions, so I've little to worry about. However, since all relationships ultimately end in commitment, regardless of how physically-oriented they started (exceptions: Morrigan, who runs away, and Isabela, depending on what you said to her - plsu Izzy is never 'commited' anyway).

How is Izzy not committed? She asks you to leave with her on her ship if you romance her. Thats committment