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[David Gaider]

Emzamination wrote...
I could bother to correct all your inconsistencies starting with maric being held prisoner in antiva, but then again it would be far quicker to kill your entire argument by asking for sources on David's statements which I know you can't provide because David isn't talking about Da3's story or setting at all. Sources?

You might want to desist in speaking with authority on what is and isn't canon. I have spoken on this topic numerous times previously, and assuming you know what's what based on what you assume to be true is bound to make you look foolish. Just a suggestion.

[upsettingshorts]

David Gaider wrote...

I think that we writers would be reluctant to have a character be romanceable in more than one game for one simple fact: revisiting a romance plot would seem incredibly stale, unless the character had transformed into someone else completely. We've already done that story.

And then we'd also get into a situation where a player is angry because they're betraying their old PC, and violating headcanon-- which, quite frankly, would give us all of two seconds hesitation if it weren't for the other point. Why tweak the people who would be all weird about it, when it's not something that would particularly excite us in the first place?

You don't have join with a Fade spirit to become someone else over time, though. Things change, people change.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 02 octobre 2012 - 03:29 .

[David Gaider]

Upsettingshorts wrote...
You don't have join with a Fade spirit to become someone else over time, though. Things change, people change.

Sure.

Or we could write a brand new romance story for someone different, someone who doesn't have baggage.

I'm not saying we'd never do it-- violating headcanon en masse would be rather fun-- but I can think of better ways to spend my time writing than figuring out how to reinvent a romance.

[jackofalltrades456]

David Gaider wrote...

I think that we writers would be reluctant to have a character be romanceable in more than one game for one simple fact: revisiting a romance plot would seem incredibly stale, unless the character had transformed into someone else completely. We've already done that story.

And then we'd also get into a situation where a player is angry because they're betraying their old PC, and violating headcanon-- which, quite frankly, would give us all of two seconds hesitation if it weren't for the other point. Why tweak the people who would be all weird about it, when it's not something that would particularly excite us in the first place?

I'm really happy to hear this.

[Emzamination]

David Gaider wrote...

Emzamination wrote...
I could bother to correct all your inconsistencies starting with maric being held prisoner in antiva, but then again it would be far quicker to kill your entire argument by asking for sources on David's statements which I know you can't provide because David isn't talking about Da3's story or setting at all. Sources?

You might want to desist in speaking with authority on what is and isn't canon. I have spoken on this topic numerous times previously, and assuming you know what's what based on what you assume to be true is bound to make you look foolish. Just a suggestion.

No you haven't and if so you should be able to provide sources to back up your argument.Da creator or not Facts,evidence and consistency lye with me.

[upsettingshorts]

David Gaider wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...
You don't have join with a Fade spirit to become someone else over time, though. Things change, people change.

Sure.

Or we could write a brand new romance story for someone different, someone who doesn't have baggage.

That's fine.  I'm just not convinced someone who has the kind of baggage this thread is concerned with is necessarily a bad starting point.  References to previous love interests with dead, if offscreen and unmet, spouses aside of course.  Execution would still be key, but when isn't that true?

That said, something about "brand new romance" being used to describe the opposite approach bugs me.  I can't quite figure out how to explain why.  

David Gaider wrote...

I'm not saying we'd never do it-- violating headcanon en masse would be rather fun-- but I can think of better ways to spend my time writing than figuring out how to reinvent a romance.

So will watching this be taken out of context down the road, heh.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 02 octobre 2012 - 03:39 .

[Emzamination]

And still nothing? That's what I thought,Gaider.Don't ever think you're too high and mighty to provide sources to back up your claims like everyone else on this forum-- Failing to do so might make you look foolish. just a suggestion.

Modifié par Emzamination, 02 octobre 2012 - 04:01 .

[Vandicus]

Emzamination wrote...

And still nothing? That's what I thought,Gaider.Don't ever think you're too high and mighty to provide sources to back up your claims like everyone else on this forum-- Failing to do so might make you look foolish. just a suggestion.

Gaider is the source. 

He's the walking breathing authority on the DA universe. What he decides is reality for the setting.

[Teddie Sage]

Emza, just let it go...

[Emzamination]

Vandicus wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

And still nothing? That's what I thought,Gaider.Don't ever think you're too high and mighty to provide sources to back up your claims like everyone else on this forum-- Failing to do so might make you look foolish. just a suggestion.

Gaider is the source. 

He's the walking breathing authority on the DA universe. What he decides is reality for the setting.

His mind is subject to change at any given moment.He's not a fluid enough source to be arguing consistency and canon without written evidence.

[upsettingshorts]

Emzamination wrote...

And still nothing? That's what I thought,Gaider.Don't ever think you're too high and mighty to provide sources to back up your claims like everyone else on this forum-- Failing to do so might make you look foolish. just a suggestion.

But seriously, do you know how to use Google?  Because this and this were really easy to find.

Emzamination wrote...

His mind is subject to change at any given moment.He's not a fluid enough source to be arguing consistency and canon without written evidence.

What does this statement even mean?

That.. he can change his mind about what's canon and isn't?  If he can, then what would his linking to anything prove?  Why do you even care if your position is that the writer himself doesn't?  In what way does saying "he's not fluid enough" to "argue consistently" make sense at all?  

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 02 octobre 2012 - 04:07 .

[Emzamination]

Teddie Sage wrote...

Emza, just let it go...

Yep. I have nothing more to prove here.

[Teddie Sage]

There was nothing to prove. He's the author, you just want him to write stuff for YOU.

[Emzamination]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

And still nothing? That's what I thought,Gaider.Don't ever think you're too high and mighty to provide sources to back up your claims like everyone else on this forum-- Failing to do so might make you look foolish. just a suggestion.

But seriously, do you know how to use Google?  Because this and this were really easy to find.

"If we feel the need to refer to the events of the comic in the course of a game (and that's if)" *pats head* Thanks for helping me out, shorts.

[Emzamination]

Teddie Sage wrote...

There was nothing to prove. He's the author, you just want him to write stuff for YOU.

I don't care who he writes for.My argument is about what he claims to be canon.

[Knight of Dane]

Can't this thread be locked? OP is behaving like a kid.

[David Gaider]

Emzamination wrote...
And still nothing? That's what I thought,Gaider.Don't ever think you're too high and mighty to provide sources to back up your claims like everyone else on this forum-- Failing to do so might make you look foolish. just a suggestion.

I happen to work, rather than hanging out on the forums all day-- so if I don't respond to a post you've made, it's very possibly because I'm not paying attention atm and not because I'm quaking in my boots and fearful of responding.

Insofar as "providing sources", I don't need to provide evidence of my own statements, thank you very much. I am the source. I determine what is canon and what is not, and am simply suggesting-- very politely-- that you not act towards your fellow posters as if you need to have your assumptions disproven. Having not seen my previous statements, you can either look for them yourself, claim ignorance or state what you'd like to see happen. Those are your options.

Modifié par David Gaider, 02 octobre 2012 - 04:17 .

[upsettingshorts]

Emzamination wrote...

"If we feel the need to refer to the events of the comic in the course of a game (and that's if)" *pats head* Thanks for helping me out, shorts.

Is it me, or does anyone else have a nigh-impossible time following what the hell Emzam's position is on anything?

How is that consistent with:

Emzamination wrote...

That's ridiculous.Novels are canon, not comics.

Emzamination wrote...

No. The novels focus on actual events that happened pre Origins and post Da2 such as the orlesian occupation, the templars and circle of magi breaking off from the chantry,wynnes death, ect... These things are acknowledged in the Games. The comics however focus on a alternate universe non-canon quest of Alistair trying to find his father who no dragon age protagonist to date cares about.You're pushing your preconceptions as fact without proof.

Just because Gaider is writing it doesn't mean its going to appear as any type of canon in game.Da comics in the past had nothing to do with the game and this is no different, they never are - Link

Someone who isn't Emzam, who will just confuse things further, explain what is even going on here.  

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 02 octobre 2012 - 04:14 .

[Masha Potato]

i don't believe David Gaider ever exists

[Emzamination]

Knight of Dane wrote...

Can't this thread be locked? OP is behaving like a kid.

Disagreeing with gaider is acting childish? Please, if you must fanboy, do so with legitimate claim or away from this thread.

[Vandicus]

Upsettingshorts wrote...



Is it me, or does anyone else have a nigh-impossible time consistently following what the hell Emzam's position is on anything?

Yeah same here. Sometimes I wonder if its just an ingenious form of trolling. 

[jackofalltrades456]

The comics and novels are semi-canon.

[Emzamination]

David Gaider wrote...

Emzamination wrote...
And still nothing? That's what I thought,Gaider.Don't ever think you're too high and mighty to provide sources to back up your claims like everyone else on this forum-- Failing to do so might make you look foolish. just a suggestion.

I happen to work, rather than hanging out on the forums all day-- so if I don't respond to a post you've made, it's very possibly because I'm not paying attention atm and not because I'm quaking in my boots and fearful of responding.

Insofar as "providing sources", I don't need to, thank you very much. I am the source. I determine what is canon and what is not, and am simply suggesting-- very politely-- that you not act towards your fellow posters as if you need to have your assumptions disproven. Having not seen my previous statements, you can either look for my previous statements on this, claim ignorance or state what you'd like to see happen. Those are your options.

Sorry word of gaider doesn't hold the same weight as written text in a dispute between fourmites as you can go either way.

[David Gaider]

Emzamination wrote...
Sorry word of gaider doesn't hold the same weight as written text in a dispute between fourmites as you can go either way.

You may not believe someone when they come and tell you I've said something previously, that's fine.

When *I* come and tell you I've said something previously and that your bullying of your fellow posters is based on false assumptions, treating me like I'm some poster who doesn't know what he's talking about is sheer arrogance.

You are on your last leg here. Choose your next words carefully.

[Leonia]

Not sure if this guy even knows what canon means. Word of God has already spoken and still he persists..